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RPG Community |OT| Take the Epoch to a New Era
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Terranigma is close, so are some of the Breath of Fire titles, but I mean I don't think a game where the hero doesn't accomplish their purpose in the end would go over well with most people. There is usually a good and bad ending in that case. The original Nier is definitely tragic all the way through.
It certainly wouldn't, but man I'd love to have more of those
I "love" tragic shit
Hmmm...I should look into these games.
Wrt fulfilling the purpose, it would count imo if the purpose is in some sense fulfilled but the fulfillment is monstrously distorted and not in keeping with the original dream, i.e. the journey perverted the strength of the protagonist into something monstrous. That is a fallen hero by virtue of his/her "virtue."
Wrt fulfilling the purpose, it would count imo if the purpose is in some sense fulfilled but the fulfillment is monstrously distorted and not in keeping with the original dream, i.e. the journey perverted the strength of the protagonist into something monstrous. That is a fallen hero by virtue of his/her "virtue."
For a game that got completely thrashed in reviews, the 2012 Game of Thrones RPG is actually pretty impressive in that regard, since it has one of the most bleak endings I've ever seen in a game.
In that particular ending, the following things happen:
There's also three other endings which are a bit happier, though that's really just because the protagonist gets killed by the guards instead of taking his own life. And they are all treated equivalently - the one described above isn't some "bad ending" that you have to fuck up to get.
- The protagonist is forced to kill his best friend (who is also the second playable character) in a duel to the death.
- He then accomplishes his goal of saving a very plot-important baby, but is quickly forced to give her back, completely invalidating everything he's done through the entire game and failing the entire purpose of his quest.
- He then becomes deeply depressed, and commits suicide. The last shot is him standing under a noose he tied up, and the game unceremoniously fades to black.
There's also three other endings which are a bit happier, though that's really just because the protagonist gets killed by the guards instead of taking his own life. And they are all treated equivalently - the one described above isn't some "bad ending" that you have to fuck up to get.
Considering the game was clearly targeting a mainstream audience, that's quite a depressing ending. It would be quite interesting to see how people reacted to it, but since basically no-one played the game that's not really possible.
Tragic rpgs.
Here's a somwhat list i can think of...
Ff15
Ff6
Ff tactics
Tactics ogre
Ogre battle
Ob 64
Chrono cross
Lufia 2
Here's a somwhat list i can think of...
Ff15
Ff6
Ff tactics
Tactics ogre
Ogre battle
Ob 64
Chrono cross
Lufia 2
That is quite dark and surprising.
Yeah FFXV and VI have a very similar structure, with the evil empire and the seed within the empire bringing about a world of ruin, although in XV there is also the whole chosen hero element to Noctis which is different. Makes me wish XV, its world, its characters, and story had been better realized. It could've been quite cool imo. But...so much of it is so half-baked. The enemy definitely takes the world out from under you in both and destroys so much of what you cherish, even if you ultimately set it "right," like in DQV where there are distinct falling arcs.
I'm a bit foggy on the endings of Tactics and Cross despite playing them as a child (beat Cross, got to the last couple levels in tactics--something I should play to completion some day). What I do remember of the Tactics scenario definitely fits.
Need to try the Ogre games some day.
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I think DQVII is also worthy of mention. In general, I think DQ adopts a tragic voice quite well--it just usually isn't the main story. But VII is full to the brim of tragic vignettes and the way they continue on throughout the game with little callbacks and continuations as well as the way the time travel is used compounds them to great effect.
DQ7 really impacted me when i first played, but a subsequent playthrough and it very much felt like a slog, I didn't finish it.
I like the holy puzzle piece time warp of a world, and you coukd go off the besten path to find new areas, but good lord it was easy to get lost.
I dunno. Been a quick seco d since I've played thst one.
I find DQ8 much more enjoyable upon replays.
I like the holy puzzle piece time warp of a world, and you coukd go off the besten path to find new areas, but good lord it was easy to get lost.
I dunno. Been a quick seco d since I've played thst one.
I find DQ8 much more enjoyable upon replays.
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No, that's the (terrible) DS remake.
SNES original is legit one of the best RPGs on the system. Puzzle dungeons, no random encounters, great battle system, proto-Pokemon system and a separate rogue-like mode...
Ah yeah, looks like I was thinking of something completely different.
Sounds good, I'll have to keep an eye on it in the future!
Is there any way to play these two in English? I would love to.
Been playing Gothic 1 for the first time ever. It's funny, I've played all the other Piranha Bytes games (well other then Elex which I will get to) but somehow have never played Gothic 1.
Loving the crap out of it so far. I just love how in their games you start off completely and utterly useless at *everything* and slowly grow to become a juggernaut. The world design is also amazing, and I really think Piranha Bytes are the best world designers in the industry. Their environments are always so dense with things to do, are always believable and full of cool environmental story telling and are just a joy to explore.
Loving the crap out of it so far. I just love how in their games you start off completely and utterly useless at *everything* and slowly grow to become a juggernaut. The world design is also amazing, and I really think Piranha Bytes are the best world designers in the industry. Their environments are always so dense with things to do, are always believable and full of cool environmental story telling and are just a joy to explore.
Yeah, Gothic 1 is incredible. People seem to focus primarily on Gothic 2, like the first game isn't all that, but I really loved playing 1 for the first time back in December. It starts rough, especially the controls, but after I got used to the controls I wouldn't have them any other way.
AFAIK there are translated text scripts online but no patches for the games.
He's asking about Destiny PS2 and Rebirth.
Rebirth is truly one of the best games in the series. Shame so many fans of the series never got to play it. And shame my PSP is dead so I can't replay it.
Ah. Yeah...
I always wanted to play the ps2 version of destiny. Leon mode ftw!
As for rebirth...besides the cameos i know little about it.
I've always heard good things about rebirth. Wonder why it never got ported over here.
I always wanted to play the ps2 version of destiny. Leon mode ftw!
As for rebirth...besides the cameos i know little about it.
I've always heard good things about rebirth. Wonder why it never got ported over here.
Destiny DC's translation script isn't really in a great state, unfortunately. There's a lot of missing dialog. Rebirth's got some really solid translated materials and mechanics guides, though. Definitely recommend playing though it referring to some (easily found) resources if you're interested.
I've been doing the same with PS2 recently. I tend to get into moods where I fixate on a single system's library. and yes, you absolutely do! KMT's a solid remake of Megami Tensei 1 and 2, with 2 being one of my favorites in the series.
Don't miss In Extremo
Edit: Oh, I just read they had to be removed from every version except the German one? That's....I mean I don't really like In Extremo but it was kinda neat back then?
Lol, amazing.
Reminds me of Blind Guardian in Sacred 2.
What other RPGs have in-game concerts (either real bands or fictional bands)?
Off the top of my head I can think of Cosmic Star Heroine and a bunch of japanese games.
I can't really think of many in-game concerts, RPG or not.
Alan Wake kinda? (Poets of the Fall is actually a really, really, really good band)
Also, since it looks like Vampire will win: The latest unofficial Fan patch 9.9 for the game (which I highly recommend btw) was released in October 2017 and the Beta for Version 10 was released not even two weeks ago.
It's amazing how much the fans support this game, warms my heart. Troika deserved better.
I should really play Arcanum at some point
Alan Wake kinda? (Poets of the Fall is actually a really, really, really good band)
Also, since it looks like Vampire will win: The latest unofficial Fan patch 9.9 for the game (which I highly recommend btw) was released in October 2017 and the Beta for Version 10 was released not even two weeks ago.
It's amazing how much the fans support this game, warms my heart. Troika deserved better.
I should really play Arcanum at some point
WoW has Elite Tauren Chieftain playing Power of the Horde every few hours during Darkmoon Faire.
I looked whether up Arcanum on Steam and visited the Steam forums to check if that version runs on Windows and this is just the best thing I have seen all week
Yeah, I tend to get into either developer or console moods.
Right now, I'm mostly in a long-lasting Atlus mood, which has been spent over various consoles, but predominately PS2. Ever since I came to them (very late--TMS#FE :P) I've been fixated on them.
I also had something of a DS/3DS mood over the past couple years but a lot of that went into non-RPGs (e.g. Ace Attorney) even though I've built up a decent RPG back-catalog for them now (a lot of crossover with the Atlus interest).
I was developing a SNES mood as I played SMT1&2 and GoHIII in January/February but haven't done much on it in March/April. I've been meaning to pick up where I left off on FE MotE though and actually put it in the SNES today so...maybe that continues from there. (I want it to).
(In the background, I've had a Switch mood since it launched--I think that took some, not all, of the wind out of my 3DS/DS sails).
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The club poll is now closed! And the winner is...
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines!
Thread/etc. incoming soon.
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines!
Thread/etc. incoming soon.
Played a little MotE. It seems I left off on Book 1, chapter 11. Took me quite a while to figure out it was my thief that could lower the drawbridge and in the meantime the enemy thieves were looting the chests. So I started again and did it quicker but I got killed by the sniper guarding the treasure room. I think the guy that steals the silver card is going to get away (sadly) but I can tighten things up so that I don't die to that silver bow guy again (or my killing edge could actually crit on him...). I'll try it again later.
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Wrt Bloodlines...I have that game in my "gifts" section because I bought it for someone only to have them buy it for themselves before the day to send it out came :P. I've tried moving it from there to my library but it always says "already redeemed" so I guess I'd need to buy it again. (I also tried gifting it to myself to see if it was just the one type of movement bugged but that also says "already redeemed.")
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Wrt Bloodlines...I have that game in my "gifts" section because I bought it for someone only to have them buy it for themselves before the day to send it out came :P. I've tried moving it from there to my library but it always says "already redeemed" so I guess I'd need to buy it again. (I also tried gifting it to myself to see if it was just the one type of movement bugged but that also says "already redeemed.")
Bloodlines is only $4.99 as well on GOG. I think people pointed that out earlier but it doesn't hurt to mention it again.
https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines
https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_bloodlines
Ah. Never played this one. This rpg actually ranked pretty high in my old favorite rpg of all times poll.
Will be interesting to finally sink my teeth into it.
Will be interesting to finally sink my teeth into it.
The club poll is now closed! And the winner is...
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines!
Thread/etc. incoming soon.
Oh shit, nice. I started a first-ever playthrough a while back but got stuck, so I'll probably just continue it and if it turns out I was close to the end, start a new run as a Malkavian for the club.
So, to make it interesting, any Bloodlines veterans up for a run with a randomly assigned Clan? Maybe in a group of 7 with every clan assigned to a different player?
btw here is the community patch 9.9 for Bloodlines, I would highly recommend it since it fixes some bugs and adds higher resolutions (among tons of other things). It works with the Steam version as well
http://www.patches-scrolls.de/patch/4647/7/74622
http://www.patches-scrolls.de/patch/4647/7/74622
How old we talking? Fallout 2 and Baldur's Gate 2 are still easily some of the best CRPGs around, and they are both pretty old.
As long as you can still get them to run, sure. Played through Ultima I for the first time maybe two years ago and enjoyed it.
Getting into them can be a pretty tricky, but most of the classics are still great today.
A good way to get into older cRPGs is to check out the Enhanced Editions Beamdog is doing, simply because they clean up the UI a bit and add some QoL functions that can easy you into it.
No cutoff for me, personally. I enjoy baseline roleplaying mechanics enough that older ones are still a good time as long as I can get them to run, but an interesting story premise or work helps. About the only thing that makes it "difficult" is readjusting to reading through manuals instead of relying on in-game tutorials. A lot of older cRPGs have enough commands that you can't feasibly feel it out without one - even titles with comparatively simple GUIs like Fallout.
Is there any benefit to 9.9 over the version 10 beta?
Started Bloodlines last night and already loving it. The dialog's so endearingly campy and the mechanics seem neat. Pen and paper adaptations like this are something that I wish we got more of today.
It varies obviously but a lot are still super playable. In the past month or so I've played Might and Magic 3 (1991) and Pool of Radiance (1988) and both have very intuitive keyboard based interfaces. And M&M3 visually and audibly holds up quite well with some great enemy sprites that remind me of Dragon Quest and a fantastic soundtrack
Once you get into mid-90s then just about everything is very playable and enjoyable provided the game was worth playing to begin with.
A nice bonus is that a lot of the high profile CRPGs from the mid-90s and beyond have excellent communities that have continued to issue fan patches so now you can play Might and Magic 6, for example, with mouse look and other quality of life improvements.
I'm working on Dragon Quest I for SNES, so I would say yes, old games are definitely worth playing.
If there was a way for me to play old teletype games, I would do it.