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RPG.net bans support of Trump on their forums
- Thread starter Jintor
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there is no meaningful conversation to be had to people who want to support trump. You SHOULD support the action of deplatforming trump supporters who are blind to the damage his administration is doing. Simple as that. Nobody is being turned away. What RPG.net is doing is simply refusing to hear any kind of shit of people who want to support trump.
Sure. The problem is when instead of someone getting "quoted into oblivion" and never posting about it again, they instead get banned for making that post of support in the first place.
No.
At some point you need to plant your foot down and say "Support for this person is not welcome here."
How many times does he have to advocate for and support terrorism before it's acceptable to say enough? You wouldn't object to a forum banning an ISIS supporter.
I would not ban it personally as I see it as a slippery slope, but their forums their rules so I respect it.
I hate Trump and everything he stands for, but being OK with this would make it hypocritical of us to be upset if other sites did the opposite, or maybe even a "news" network.
I hate Trump and everything he stands for, but being OK with this would make it hypocritical of us to be upset if other sites did the opposite, or maybe even a "news" network.
Actually there's a difference between Nazis and people who aren't Nazis
Well support of Trump is by its nature a support of fascism, bigotry, and abject cruelty towards subjugated classes, so I see no issue with this.
I know a lot of people here actually believe that, but it's simply not true. I've seen people call for cutting off ties with family members who support Trump on this site too. And frankly that's ridiculous. Family is family and you're stuck with them. And similarly, in real life you are going to be stuck with co-workers who support Trump and Republicans too. Everyone needs to learn how to listen to each other and understand where the others are coming from. I'm not talking about the bigots and the people who know full well that what they're doing is hurting people but don't care because they're making stacks of cash. I'm not talking about the people who frequent Trump rallies. And I'm certainly not talking about the fucking lunatics who make bombs and send them to people Trump doesn't like. I'm talking about the vast majority of Republicans who are, a lot of the time uniformed, or misinformed. If you completely shut them out, it just builds resentment.
My above statement applies to this too. But I will also add that whether we like it or not, Trump is not ISIS. He's the President of the Country. There's a pretty big difference between the two. Hatred of Trump should not equate to hatred of random people who voted for him. They're not the same thing. And you can't, or at least shouldn't, just attribute his words and deeds to them.
Dope policy.
Not saying it doesn't need to be applied here but most Trump supporters here usually get banned or can't even have a logical argument without being wilfully ignorant/disingenuous so they either lurk or go somewhere else. The few big ones from the old site that actually have accounts here don't even bother.
Not saying it doesn't need to be applied here but most Trump supporters here usually get banned or can't even have a logical argument without being wilfully ignorant/disingenuous so they either lurk or go somewhere else. The few big ones from the old site that actually have accounts here don't even bother.
That's a false equivalency, and if a site did so, I would know it's one I wouldn't want to be on anyway.
I wouldn't be upset if other places did the opposite, since it would give a clear indication that the people running the place are a bunch of assholes.
That's probably true. I would hope if that actually happened ISPs would step in and shut them down if necessary.
There is no practical difference in a minority's quality of life if people voted for Trump because of racism or if they voted because of tax cuts.
A vote in an American election is wholesale. You cannot pick and choose which parts of any given candidate's platform you do and don't want implemented. When you cast a vote for a candidate, you are giving them permission to do everything, the good and the bad, whatever it is they can within legal and political reason.
Trump voters need to own this. Every single one of them. They own the rise in hate crimes and the deaths that have followed. They own the child internment camps. They own the destruction of environmental protections. They own the double-speak and conspiratorial rhetoric against the left, higher education, and journalism.
Because none of it would be this bad had they not given permission for Trump and the rest of the conservative body to do what they're doing now. This is literally their fault. And what's worse, I've seen barely any efforts from so-called moderates or disappointed conservatives to get their party back under control and make it worth looking at by minorities and their allies again. There's no marches, no organizations, no movements, no candidates being put forth to counteract the blatant white supremacy. These people are ghosts, except to tell us how "horrified" they are every now and again that "the country is so divided."
Trump voters deserve no time of day about their reasoning for why they voted for him two years into this shitstorm until they are ready to sit down at the table of basic human decency.
Yes we are stuck with family.
Luckily users who come in here to support trump aren't family. So your comparison doesn't apply? I get what you're saying but this is a public forum, not a private family/home.
What you manage to ignore is that the Trump side has been doing this for years.
I think the blame for any of the ills that have come from the last 2 years lies much more with the significantly larger group of eligible Voters who did not vote at all. And I would take issue with them a million times over before anyone who actually went and cast a ballot to take part in this decision making process.
I sincerely believe that a lot of Republicans don't agree with these things you've outlined, or the things Trump's said and done. And like it or not there are absolutely single-issue voters.
Is it actually that bad? Haven't been back since the great split, except the occasional accidental visit to a frozen thread because it's still in my autocomplete history. I thought the worst of the worst had already made it out to places that were more welcoming to far right ideologies...
That was, admittedly, a rogue aside in my post. Just something else I had noticed here -- which is frankly terrible advice.
I'm not really sure what you mean by this.
But the voters who did vote for him won him the electoral college. They won those states that put him over the edges. The voters who didn't vote simply did nothing. To blame them before blaming the people that lent Trump their voice and power is asinine.
It absolutely is not. Not when half of the country didn't cast a ballot and Trump and Clinton were effectively equal. It's easy to blame the people who actually voted for him. It's hard to accept that general apathy is the actual reason he won.
Not really. We would be banning people who support a lot of horrible things. If some other forum wants to ban support of Democrats then so be it. Who cares? There's already deplorable places like The Donald.
Also, what do you mean by news network? Forums are very different from news networks.
There's a huge range of what being a Trump voter makes you. Planning to vote for him again sort of changes that a bit. People who voted for him the first time range from the uninformed and gullible to card-carrying Nazis. These days you've got to be fairly willfully uninformed and gullible to still support him from that end of the spectrum.
The Trump side has shut down any kind of criticism or dissent as fake news or Soros backed crisis actors.
They shut down the door a while ago. And it will only get worse.
"Look, people whose lives are actively under threat by this administration, what's really important is that we have the opportunity to hear from the people who value their taxes more than your basic human rights."
As an RPGNet regular, this is pretty much the natural continuation of how moderation has worked in the last year.
The community is fairly small, and the political discussion becomes inevitably toxic at times. But literally nobody is going to cry about this, because the forum as a whole was already aligned on that position. It would be like banning support of Trump here - it's factually something that is already enabled. Almost nobody would dare complain, and those who would would take "I'm a leftist but..." angle.
The community is fairly small, and the political discussion becomes inevitably toxic at times. But literally nobody is going to cry about this, because the forum as a whole was already aligned on that position. It would be like banning support of Trump here - it's factually something that is already enabled. Almost nobody would dare complain, and those who would would take "I'm a leftist but..." angle.
People not actually going out to vote is another problem that is separate from Trump itself. People voting for Trump should not have voted for him at all. And if anyone who voted for him and still wants to come and speak up for Trump or the GOP then they shouldn't be shown the door.
So by analogy we shouldn't ban child pornography, because it's a slippery slope and someone else might ban pictures of cute kittens?
Most Republicans are not the people you are talking about who believe the crazy conspiracy theories. They're normal people. That's the problem.
I said it in my first post, but please don't put words in my mouth. It's beyond infuriating and literally not what I said at all.
EDIT: I'm going to bed now, so don't expect any further replies from me. I'm aware most of you completely disagree, which makes further rebuttals pointless anyways. That's fine. I've said what I came to say -- I think this course of action would be a slippery slope to go down, and one I don't agree with.
Yeah having to avoid all the pro-Trump threads and posts that pollute ERA is such a hassle...
I mean, really, we can do it and nothing will change. Can you even find me a post supporting Trump that isn't moderated?
I quoted Trump crazy word for crazy word. If you support Trump, you support the craziness.
It's literally what you said with all the dolling up stripped out of it.
When have you EVER seen a Trump supporter here?
The admins do a great job of shutting
down dog whistle talking points. It just so happens that all of Trump's talking points are dog whistles.
Didn't vote for The President (even though a lot of people think I did), but I do love Air Force One, so I made this thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/un...nts-air-force-one-to-be-red-white-blue.56014/
It ended up being fairly civil.
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Single issue voters are idiots or are selfish, or a combination of the two. This is especially true given the current climate. At some point people need to step up and take responsibility to ensure the fair and equal treatment of others rather than attempt to get what they want and excuse themselves of the fallout
Nah, family can be disowned. If you're an adult you aren't stuck with anyone unless you want to be. Life is way too short to waste it in the company of bigots just because you share DNA.
People who voted for him the first time are just as bad as anyone who still supports him. His temperament, his views, his rhetoric, his ignorance, his stream of non-stop lying -- its all been the same since even before he formally became a candidate. Zero excuses. Trump voters got exactly who they voted for and wanted. Every last one.
Sure thing, but you specified you didn't vote for the guy and half the messages are barely north of "fuck the traitor".
I think banning support of Trump could be a political statement (and the administration would be fully legitimated in choosing to make one) but in practical terms, it's already operative. I'm not from the US so I don't really have this problem, but if we have people who voted for Trump on this board, they're really quiet about it already.
It's an admirable move. Ultimately lines have to be drawn, or evil people will continue to poison communities.
No one thinks this is going so far?
I don't know anything about that forum, but legitimizing banning what is essentially an opinion, heinous as it is, without those people explicitly expressing bigotry etc. seems like going too far (I know people will respond by saying that supporting Trump is the same as supporting bigotry-- but the people expressing that opinion might be ignorant of that).
People requesting that sort of move here-- I think it's pointless. Anyone expressing pro-Trump sentiment will be instantly ostracized here if not banned or otherwise reprimanded by mods. So at any rate it's not constructive. It gives more fuel to right-wingers and doesn't change anything about the discourse.
I don't know anything about that forum, but legitimizing banning what is essentially an opinion, heinous as it is, without those people explicitly expressing bigotry etc. seems like going too far (I know people will respond by saying that supporting Trump is the same as supporting bigotry-- but the people expressing that opinion might be ignorant of that).
People requesting that sort of move here-- I think it's pointless. Anyone expressing pro-Trump sentiment will be instantly ostracized here if not banned or otherwise reprimanded by mods. So at any rate it's not constructive. It gives more fuel to right-wingers and doesn't change anything about the discourse.
Ever tried speaking with them about social issues? They're as honest and interested in the conversation as the man himself.
There is no debating with these people. And your last line? When it comes down to it, that is what they're doing.by default.