RPS: Cyberpunk 2077's E3 demo has weak gunplay and unimaginative stereotypes

Deleted member 888

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,361
NO one is complaining about what Cyberpunk is and what the themes are. We are critizsing the parts of the game that we saw because they seem to miss the mark of how they present it.
Which would seemingly mean the actual creator of Cyberpunk is missing the mark given he just did interviews saying he went to CDPR and told them to change things he's that hands on.

There's the PlayStation Access video to watch and the yongyea one


Why point this out? Well, it's probably not exactly correct to ever imply CDPR is running some operation where they just do what they want and it's a Cyberpunk tribute act. Mike Pondsmith seems to be steering the ship and treating it as the sequel to 2020.
 

Cabbagehead

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,822
Which would seemingly mean the actual creator of Cyberpunk is missing the mark given he just did interviews saying he went to CDPR and told them to change things he's that hands on.

There's the PlayStation Access video to watch and the yongyea one


Why point this out? Well, it's probably not exactly correct to ever imply CDPR is running some operation where they just do what they want and it's a Cyberpunk tribute act. Mike Pondsmith seems to be steering the ship and treating it as the sequel to 2020.
He's been apart of 2077's game development process for a while.
 

Deleted member 888

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,361
He's been apart of 2077's game development process for a while.
Yes, but even I was wondering if comments I was reading saying he was just there in name or just handing off his IP for money were possibly true. It's not as if CDPR had a great relationship with the creator of The Witcher books.

The Playstation Access video interview is the first I've heard him say he was telling CDPR to change things because they weren't close enough to source material.
 

Cabbagehead

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,822
Yes, but even I was wondering if comments I was reading saying he was just there in name or just handing off his IP for money were possibly true. It's not as if CDPR had a great relationship with the creator of The Witcher books.

The Playstation Access video interview is the first I've heard him say he was telling CDPR to change things because they weren't close enough to source material.
Last year he said the same. So its been pretty consistent.
 

Stryder

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
966
US

Was this response from the creator, Mike Pondsmith posted?

Want to say this just once. I am really tired of well meaning people on internet chat boards paternalistically telling me what I, as a black person, should be offended by. You want to be my ally? Go gird up your loins and at this year's Thanksgiving dinner, have the nerve to tell your racist Uncle Bob to STFU for a change.
 

MrH

Member
Nov 3, 2017
2,525
I'll reserve judgement until I've played it myself, but even with weak combat Witcher 3 was S Tier, so it's not a massive deal breaker even if true. I have complete faith in CDPR after Witcher 3, to the point there's no way I won't be there day one, it's the same with Doom Eternal after the excellent Doom 2016.
 

Firefly

Member
Jul 10, 2018
860
At the end of the day, Cyberpunk 2077 is still Rock paper shotgun's one of best games at E3 2019.
 

SENPAIatLARGE

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,030
Articles like this are proof that more diversity is needed in the game s journalism space. White people deciding what's offensive to minorities is so tired.
 
Dec 5, 2018
538
Bethesda, North Wales
What's the problem with this?

Seems to be an advertise for a product that changes your color and the girl seems to be mixing it given how her neck looks.

Sounds like something that would definitely occur in a future where people can mod themselves
Read.

 

Lopez

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
5,514
A dumpster
Read.

I like how you post this without much context and without the response from the artist at CDPR. Her intentions seem pretty sincere and not malicious in any way.
 

solidussnaku

Member
Nov 29, 2017
570
I'm just not bothered with the gunplay, first game for them where gunplay features THIS much, plus if it is as decent as the stuff we saw last year, well then it all good. Didn't find it too be bad at all.

But the stereotype stuff give me pause, will have to check out reviews on how bad, or not bat, that stuff is before I shell over money.
 

AmbientRuin

Member
Apr 18, 2019
352
I like how you post this without much context and without the response from the artist at CDPR. Her intentions seem pretty sincere and not malicious in any way.
Thats nice, its still problematic even with the context and interview

The context just makes it that picture of Spiderman pointing at himself

The whole thing about using Transpeople to advertise as a corporation, what is CDPR doing again?
 

Lopez

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
5,514
A dumpster
Thats nice, its still problematic even with the context and interview

The context just makes it that picture of Spiderman pointing at himself

The whole thing about using Transpeople to advertise as a corporation, what is CDPR doing again?
It’s almost as if the corporation is using a certain image someone might fantasize as an a form of advertising.
 

AmbientRuin

Member
Apr 18, 2019
352
It’s almost as if the corporation is using a certain image someone might fantasize as an a form of advertising.
Which is dehumanizing to trans people. Look, you can't just perpetuate harmful stereotypes while shouting IM BEING IRONIC over and over which is what the argument is
And straight gamers on this website need to stop telling LGBT posters theyre being overly sensitive
 

Betty

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,260
Which is dehumanizing to trans people. Look, you can't just perpetuate harmful stereotypes while shouting IM BEING IRONIC over and over which is what the argument is
It's a future where instant gratification and hedonism is the norm, if anything it would be wrong not to include trans people in adverts and only cater to heterosexual people alone.

If the final game doesn't also have ads that show enhancements for every persuasion and orientation then it would be an problem.
 

AmbientRuin

Member
Apr 18, 2019
352
Ads are like that for all sexes and isn’t about being ironic but about showing how in that future gender fluidity is advertised.
It's a future where instant gratification and hedonism is the norm, if anything it would be wrong not to include trans people in adverts and only cater to heterosexual people alone.

If the final game doesn't also have ads that show enhancements for every persuasion and orientation then it would be an problem.
The dickgirl ad is designed to cater to heterosexual people though

Its easy for straight folks to just wait for this game to come out, they don't have to deal with people using this game against them for a year
 

Lukas Taves

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,321
Brazil
Read.

Look between the legs buddy.
Oh shit. I didn't see before and now it's kinda staring at me lol

But I still don't see why it's bad. It's exaggerated for sure but I think that would be expected on an ad about body enhancements. I see nothing that suggests the intention is to speak ill or make a joke or something bad in a transphobic way.
 

Nappael

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,055
Oh shit. I didn't see before and now it's kinda staring at me lol

But I still don't see why it's bad. It's exaggerated for sure but I think that would be expected on an ad about body enhancements. I see nothing that suggests the intention is to speak ill or make a joke or something bad in a transphobic way.
It's fetishization.

Now, my opinion is that this isn't inherently bad, and the description the artist gave about how over-sexualized ads would work in a world where everything is very genderfluid is actually pretty good. A thoughtful take on that could be really interesting if actually done well and through a critical eye. However, in isolation it does nothing but give the "ahaha dickgirl!" people something to attach to and that's unfortunately how it was presented by being in that Nvidia demo.
 

Lukas Taves

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,321
Brazil
It's fetishization.

Now, my opinion is that this isn't inherently bad, and the description the artist gave about how over-sexualized ads would work in a world where everything is very genderfluid is actually pretty good. A thoughtful take on that could be really interesting if actually done well and through a critical eye. However, in isolation it does nothing but give the "ahaha dickgirl!" people something to attach to and that's unfortunately how it was presented by being in that Nvidia demo.
Perfectly said. I agree completely
 

Gabbo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,338
It's fetishization.

Now, my opinion is that this isn't inherently bad, and the description the artist gave about how over-sexualized ads would work in a world where everything is very genderfluid is actually pretty good. A thoughtful take on that could be really interesting if actually done well and through a critical eye. However, in isolation it does nothing but give the "ahaha dickgirl!" people something to attach to and that's unfortunately how it was presented by being in that Nvidia demo.
I don't see this a meriting the hostility it has drummed up, but as a cis male, maybe that isn't shocking.
edit: I can see why people don't like it, and out of any context this probably didn't need to be in the demo, but I'm thinking in context within the game it doesn't have the same effect. Of course, people who do think 'lol girl with a dick' will say that about it no matter how it's presented.