Thank God Vampire is coming out next year too. Looks like Cyberpunk gonna be a mess.
RPS in 2019 shouldn't be considered more credible than PCGamer. They're a hot take factory looking to put a negative spin on literally everything while throwing out an "rps recommended" once a month for appearances. All of the staff they had was decent is now gone.
First, check your tone.You guys really have some serious problem with your brains. Someone, here it's Mike Pondsmith, made an universe with transphobic and xenophobic society which is set in future. No one cares you feel bad with shitting on transgender pepole in this game, IT'S A VIDEO GAME, AND IT'S A PART OF THIS UNIVERSE. It's not a real world. Oh, you don't like this universe? You don't buy it, simple as that. Eleven pages because someone is making their jobs right, good lord.
Thank you for bringing that interview to light, I'm glad that someone did it at all. It's really interesting to hear the stance of someone who has worked so long in the industry, especially in her unique position.Funny you should mention that. There's this thing called voice direction. And this was incredibly racist voice direction. Here's a transcript of the actress actually talking
Sometimes I feel like there's a shared anxiety about being in the dark about someone's intentions or thoughts in these kinds of issues. Although I don't seek to invalidate anyone's readings of this imagery, it always feels like we'd know so much more if the creator (In this case, CDPR) was more vocal about their visions and intentions for their creation. Otherwise, some of us want to assume the worst because we stand against the implications we see, or we want to assume the best or dismiss things so that we don't have to think about the implications.CDPR could probably get a fair pass if they had someone simply say, on stage "We plan to address topics such as body transformation, sexuality, gender, race, and other sensitive topics with a diverse team of talent. Please walk hand in hand with us while we attempt to do these stories justice and represent all people."
At least that would help most people feel as if these decisions aren't made with pure ignorance. I could assume with such a comment that stereotypes will be critiqued in a meaningful way and prior source material will also be critiqued if it hasn't aged well.
And you added to the page count. Strange choice but okay.You guys really have some serious problem with your brains. Someone, here it's Mike Pondsmith, made an universe with transphobic and xenophobic society which is set in future. No one cares you feel bad with shitting on transgender pepole in this game, IT'S A VIDEO GAME, AND IT'S A PART OF THIS UNIVERSE. It's not a real world. Oh, you don't like this universe? You don't buy it, simple as that. Eleven pages because someone is making their jobs right, good lord.
No it's more focused on class strugglesHasn't one of the underlying themes of Cyberpunk (especially the literature) always been xenophobia? Not that I would expect CDPR to handle it well, but still.
Correct me If I am wrong.
Shouldn't dystopian cyberpunk be full of racism,slurs and offensive stuff? This is downfall of social relationships, not sure why it should be pretty.
I mean, the literal creator of the p&p is apparently working pretty intimately with them on this. It's one thing to criticize all this stuff for what it seek to portray. It's quite another to pretend that this isn't what cyberpunk is.
It's like all sense of subtlety went out the window from their witcher writingnot shocked at all given how the dialogue in the trailer sounded like it was written by a teenage edgelord
I don't see why this is an excuse for bad gunplay or melee systems at all. Alpha Protocol also had really terrible gunplay. You can have meaty gunplay and RPG-elements. Like increased damage with better gear, aim-assistance with better skills, elements and status changes and so on.
It's like all sense of subtlety went out the window from their witcher writing
From looking at the game I can't say the gunplay is any worse than being serviceable
All it needs to be imo
Feel s like a case of, "let's have this vision of Cyberpunk only taken from the most famous sources", even if they are 20-30 years old.Not really as proliferation of things like mechanical enhancements and technomancy basically blur what it is to be human. In a truly cyberpunk future, people wouldn't have time to worry about what your race is because they'd be more concerned about whether or not the augments you can see are an indication of whether or not they're going to murder you. It's the crux of the transhumanist argument.
But I doubt the game is going to explore that in any meaningful way.
Of course people focus on the gunplay and not the stereotyping. Because CDPR have shown their ass on that front multiple times with very little done to try and change people's perception. And so everyone who LOVES CDPR and wants to get the game will focus on gunplay because they know whatever bs they throw out to defend the stereotyping will be flimsy at best.Eurogamer brought up the same complaints about the stereotyping, which I wish was the focus of this thread and not the gameplay.
I don't see why just because the guy playing either sucked or the controller settings were fucked. I meant more in the vain of social issues anyways.If that 20 minute video of Bloodlines 2 is representative, it is going to be even more of a mess than 2077.
Feel s like a case of, "let's have this vision of Cyberpunk only taken from the most famous sources", even if they are 20-30 years old.
So it is works like The Diamond Age or Snow Crash which are the blueprint, but you can say they are outdated, since they saw a future that was even more racist than our own.
how to make a dystopian world work without this kind of broken society thing ? all this "offensiveness" doesn't make part of the world building ?
First of all, you REEEEEEAAALLY need to watch the video. Your assumption can't possibly be based on what was heard...You speak for all black women? I assume it is a black voice actor playing the role, and therefore the mannerisms are authentic to the actor.
Thing is it's maybe distasteful for being so blatantly sexual but even if the person is trans including them would not be phobia sexist if anything elseI mean, real talk. Is this ad trying to be interesting flavor text for a cyberpunk dystopian society, or is it "that girl has a dick, ha ha".
Like, the idea of gene manipulation and gender splicing is a very interesting thing to explore in this type of setting...but you better handle it with care because that is a whole can of worms that most CIS white dudes are not equip to open.
how to make a dystopian world work without this kind of broken society thing ? all this "offensiveness" doesn't make part of the world building ?
With actual good writing.how to make a dystopian world work without this kind of broken society thing ? all this "offensiveness" doesn't make part of the world building ?
Hint: They got so big because they don't care, or even worse, enforce it.I can live with mediocre gameplay as long as the other factor are good, but stereotypical representation of minorities is disgusting to say the least. A studio as big as CDPR should know better.
By not presenting it uncritically.how to make a dystopian world work without this kind of broken society thing ? all this "offensiveness" doesn't make part of the world building ?
Thing is it's maybe distasteful for being so blatantly sexual but even if the person is trans including them would not be phobia sexist if anything else
Lowered expectations are fine. Maybe it's because I like action games just as much as RPGs. The best of both worlds is a rare breed and I want more of that.From looking at the game I can't say the gunplay is any worse than being serviceable
All it needs to be imo
Feel like we need a thread reboot..Of course people focus on the gunplay and not the stereotyping. Because CDPR have shown their ass on that front multiple times with very little done to try and change people's perception. And so everyone who LOVES CDPR and wants to get the game will focus on gunplay because they know whatever bs they throw out to defend the stereotyping will be flimsy at best.
By having good writing instead of appealing to the lowest denominator. So far the most commentary we've seen from the game is a single line about life insurance costs.how to make a dystopian world work without this kind of broken society thing ?
Depicting racism doesn't mean that you need to make characters into offensive stereotypes. In fact, if you want to seriously tackle topics such as racism, you shouldn't use one-dimensional stereotypes for actual characters. If you're playing stereotypes straight you're not depicting or tackling racism, you're just being racist.how to make a dystopian world work without this kind of broken society thing ? all this "offensiveness" doesn't make part of the world building ?
2077 looks to me like the Sprawl trilogy on steroids, basically, along with some aspects of other popular CP properties thrown in. Including all the edgy and stereotypical aspects of Gibson's work which were ok at the time but now can feel pretty outdated if you just transplant them to your own setting.So much of 2077 seems like it's not even cribbing from PK Dick, but specifically blade runner and Akira and that's....fine? But the more we find out about the game, the less it seems like a real nuanced cyberpunk story and the more it feels like GTA6: THE FUTURE.
Yup. See Ashley from Mass Effect.Depicting racism doesn't mean that you need to make characters into offensive stereotypes. In fact, if you want to seriously tackle topics such as racism, you shouldn't use one-dimensional stereotypes for actual characters.
By focusing less on issues of the moment and more on issues of the future.
Or, even better, taking the issues of the moment an using futurisms to change how we think about said issues. It would be really sad if 2077 takes the concept of being able to freely and effortless change your biological sex and how that relates to internal gender, and relegate it to a quick bad joke.
Because it does.i can't wait for the endless "gunplay sucks" comments for years after launch. everyone loves doing it for Witcher 3 "combat sucks". lol
Depicting racism doesn't mean that you need to make characters into offensive stereotypes. In fact, if you want to seriously tackle topics such as racism, you shouldn't use one-dimensional stereotypes for actual characters. If you're playing stereotypes straight you're not depicting or tackling racism, you're just being racist.
I mean if the shoe fits. Gwent and putting the game on easy got me through. Otherwise forgettable gameplay. But damn that world.i can't wait for the endless "gunplay sucks" comments for years after launch. everyone loves doing it for Witcher 3 "combat sucks". lol
Oh yeah. At this point, they don't even tried to hide it. It is awful.Just read avout the Voodo boy and the Animals, this studio knows exactly what it is doing.