I don't mind a bit if jank if the writing, representation and themes are good.
But I'm going to have a huge issue with a superbly polished game that is juuuust a teeny bit racist and transphobic.
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RPS: Cyberpunk 2077's E3 demo has weak gunplay and unimaginative stereotypes
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I don't mind a bit if jank if the writing, representation and themes are good.
But I'm going to have a huge issue with a superbly polished game that is juuuust a teeny bit racist and transphobic.
Yes, but just because "they're bad" doesn't mean crass or stupid examples of characterization are fine. If anything, it gives you a large sprawling narrative framework to use that you wouldn't normally get to, something where you can take a lot of liberties and risks.
And then they go with calling the black gang "the animals".
That's poor man.
I dropped The Witcher 3 because of the mediocre gamplay, so I'm disappointed to hear they're repeating the same mistake again.
But aren't campanies using sex to sell stuff? It was that way in the past, it works that way today and it's pretty much a given that even in the future marketing is going to be heavily driven by "sex sells", no? Like there are so many sexist and fetish ads and billboards in our cities, do you thing it's not going to be that way in the future? Racism was here from the beginning, it's still here - look how the US are still racist even in this days and it's not going to be away even in 100 years in the future.. of course, not excusing actual racism and transphobia and homophobia and such in the finished and released game
Always figured the hype for this game won't meet expectation. This is their first foray into the FPS genre. People expecting them to automatically be in the upper tier of the genre mechanics are in for disappointment. i'll happily eat crow if i'm wrong come release though and i'm sure the RPG parts are top tier
You should really try Witcher 3 if you haven't. Still one of the best games this gen so far.
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory false equivalence and bad faith argument.
Thing is you cannot get mad that they are sexualizing a trans girl and be look okay it's cool of its a Cis girl both are sexism and you cannot pick and choose.
I honestly couldn't care about the gunplay. In these massive RPGs, anything more serviceable than the Bethesda model has me excited. I will say Fallout 4's over the shoulder shooting mechanics improved greatly even if the writing suffered.
For this game, writing is everything to me. These stereotypes seem to fall in line with some of the not so subtle racist trappings of the Cyberpunk genre. But I'm hoping with Mike Pondsmith on board, this can be addressed swiftly and in a balanced manner.
For this game, writing is everything to me. These stereotypes seem to fall in line with some of the not so subtle racist trappings of the Cyberpunk genre. But I'm hoping with Mike Pondsmith on board, this can be addressed swiftly and in a balanced manner.
Yeah it's weird when people who've seen and played the game tell people what they saw.
as i said before, maybe the game have a nice message or something i dont know, i agree with you that are better ways to get public attention then this one, but i cant fully judge without seeing the full game.
Yeah maybe.
I just...highly doubt it will.
We'll see in April I guess.
My man!!!!!
How about that Gwent though? That's a pretty good time though, right?
why should he be banned, he gave his opinion which is totally legit ??
Tip: When you see these kinds of posts, look at the post count.
You act like people haven't played this yet and aren't reporting about it.
You should go listen to waypoint's podcast from last night, they go in deep.
I mean his point is literally, "Shut up, I don't have a problem with it and neither should you."
So....:🤷:
1. That poster is now banned.
2. Giving opinion is fine, but do it a bit better and not in a condescending harmful way.
3. Don't ignore the issue the thread is about and/or threadwhine.
Remember in the Witcher 1 when you go to some lake and there's a naked lake nymph in there and she asks you get her pendant back and you do and then you have sex?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I actually really really enjoyed the combat... though it only ever shined at the highest difficulty for me.
Maybe there's a Racism skill tree..Truly the next evolution of role playing games
I have a theory that because in Witcher 3 CD Project was using a pre-established world, that's why the worldbuilding and characterization was so strong. But with Cyberpunk, even though it's a pre-existing property, it touches on real world cultures and so they have to do their own research, which is why the game may not turn out to be as strong when it comes to representation of cultures.
Now this is maybe, they did say in the article that they are using consultants to make sure they get depiction of various cultures and groups right. So hopefully we'll see more nuance going forward. But I think the above is why just because the Witcher had such fantastic characterization doesn't mean Cyberpunk necessarily will
Now this is maybe, they did say in the article that they are using consultants to make sure they get depiction of various cultures and groups right. So hopefully we'll see more nuance going forward. But I think the above is why just because the Witcher had such fantastic characterization doesn't mean Cyberpunk necessarily will
As I've said, I agree with everything you've said. This should've been a Pokemon-like game where battles are fought out in Gwent.
Beaten enemies are trapped in cards :))))
Oh, and replace that god damn horse with a dragon-mount or a jet-pack, so travelling from A to B isn't a chore.
Then we're talking 9.5/10 Gotg contender.
Are we still frens now?
And this is ultimately the crux of the matter. Writing wise CDPR strikes me as capable of being able to tell that these things are problematic. If you are making mistakes lesser studios can avoid, then I am not convinced they even acknowledge these are bad.
Thanks but I knew that already. I make these kind of posts to get them to actually say what they mean instead of beating around the bush and dogwhistling. Sort of a "give them rope to hang themselves" strategy.
I don't have 4 hours! I do enjoy their stuff from time to time but even as someone pretty far to the left they go too far for me occasionally.
Oh well if you don't have the time...I guess there's no discussion to be had.
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Like, the funny thing is, maybe actually this could be true.
What does the person mean by that?
Can someone compare this to The Division, Destiny or normal non RPG shooter?
LOL!
I played on PC so the first mod I installed was a fast travel mod. None of that finding a sign post bullshit. Made the game slightly more bearable.
TW3 was amazing, but there was very little subtlety in how it lifted the themes and plot straight from the novels. It was a very utilitarian adaptation that just rehashed everything instead of writing an actual sequel. So the games' canon is this very weird timeline where stuff seemingly just happened twice.
I mean, it's not an opinion, it's a meaningless drive by statement that adds nothing to the conversation.
If you don't care, don't chime in. The majority of the two threads on this are people who are so sensitive that their privilege DICTATES that they have to tell people that it's not a problem because they don't think it's a problem. That's meaningless, it's less than nothing.
If you don't think it's a problem, explain why. Don't just fold your arms and sulk and go "why are people so fragile, I can't believe it, I still want to play the video game but everyone's mad, mheeee". There's no discourse there.
They were banned for their shitty dismissal of the concerns of people this affects.
You know, one of the things this community literally doesn't tolerate for good fucking reason?
There are other forums if you don't like it.
And opinions can be dismissive, harmful, and flat out fucking disgusting.
Huh? Pretty sure you couldn't have sex with her, but it's been a while since I played.
Mechanically the game is sounding pretty interesting to me. Based on last year's gameplay demo and impressions from this year, it sounds like you have a bunch of options at your disposal and that they aren't holding back on the RPG elements like skillchecks and whatnot. That all sounds great.
Creatively with the story, characters and dialogue though I am feeling a little uneasy. I really hope there's something a bit deeper here than just futuristic GTA crudeness. And CDPR's history with social issues gives me pause.
Creatively with the story, characters and dialogue though I am feeling a little uneasy. I really hope there's something a bit deeper here than just futuristic GTA crudeness. And CDPR's history with social issues gives me pause.
Witcher 3 isn't exactly known for representation or strong combat. So never say never.
"I think less of trans people" sure is an opinion. It also makes someone a real piece of shit.
"the shooting looks limp" they#re commenting on what they saw.
And as people who have a lot of experience viewing material, and understanding how that translates to hands on experience, it's a fair point. If it looks limp, there's a good chance it will feel limp.
I'm sure you're the same if you have a lot of experience in gaming, while you can't always be 100% sure you can very often view footage and understand how the game will feel to play, If an animation is clunky, it will feel clunky to control. If bullets pile into enemies with little feedback, it will probably feel unsatisfying to shoot. Etc...
And while you need hands on to truly tell, a lot can be taken from a look when you have so much experience with games.
What is wrong with so many people like you not being able to understand how this affects marginalized, underrepresented, and pressed people?
Yeah, I'm looking to buy Witcher 3 before playing Cyberpunk.
Yes I did. Just seems strange to comment on the feel of a game if you haven't had the controller in your hands.
Don't bother, some people don't want to hear that you can make an appealing game and still have shitty politic view.