The gunplay in last years demo looked pretty good. But I don't play RPG's for combat gameplay. I play them for immersive worlds I can get lost in and well crafted quests and I have no doubt Cyberpunk will be great in that regards.
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RPS: Cyberpunk 2077's E3 demo has weak gunplay and unimaginative stereotypes
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Pretty much my stance on it. They're playing in muddy water but if you also avoid it and or have to retrofit everything in a nice bow? then where's the commentary...
Will there be commentary?
Is CDPR suited to do that? or is this a case of world building, going to deep. If any of this is the case.
Uhhh, you don't need to make an offensive game (to the audience) just to be "awesome".
You can have racism and sexism and all stuff handled in a much better way through better writing. Not to mention that obviously the tone of the game is much different to the soruce material.
I mean they could always educate themselves by reading works of and talking to people who have extensively studied the subject? These companies do a ton of research into a million different things. Why not expect them to include this sort of stuff in that especially in a game dealing with a Cyberpunk setting. It's not exactly a huge ask. Fuck, just watch a few hours of Nick Cannon's Youtube show and even that tiny bit of effort ought to be enough to not be a complete fucking idiot in terms of racist garbage in your game. The internet exists. Not being stupid isn't as hard as some people try to make it seem.
Excuse the backseat modding but this isn't a thread about how hyped you are for purchasing the latest product. How is you stating that you are interested in making a purchase at all relevant to the discussion other people are having? It comes across as you just wanting to show others how little you care about these issues and that they should probably also not care about them.
Yeah, I can't say I disagree with anything you wrote.
Yeah, exactly. And I don't think they're taking it very seriously. Or at least, I don't think they're making a genuine attempt. I think with the Witcher they had an escape-hatch of "It's medieval Prussian fantasy setting!" (or whatever), so they could easily define their own rules and sort of ... evade a more critical lens. Now, they're losing that escape-hatch but I don't think they're willing to make a very genuine attempt at doing things the right way.
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Oh, and I don't want to make it seem like my post was explaining it away or making excuses for htem. I was trying to show how I don't think they're taking accurate cultural representation seriously. I might not have made that clear so I'm going to edit my last post to make it more obvious.
Also I think companies that are making major mass market entertainment products need to do more than just watch YouTube videos, like, they actually need to hire diverse talent, and if they're not able to or unwilling to do that, then they need to hire outside contractors and consultants who can help them with it.
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If I understood it correctly from Cyberpunk 2020 the Voodoo boys are mostly white people who are so obsessed with Haitian culture, they use body modifications to look black and use all the stereotypes to act as the gang, because they actually do not know much about the culture themselves.
I mean that's not to say that you can't kind of tell that a game has janky, gun play or driving mechanics.
But using a demo behind closed doors to determine that a game has weak gunplay, without having played it. Seems dubious.
That's part of the reason why I was cringing. The original idea actually had me fascinated, since I could see how a pre-dominantly white gang look and appropriate Haitian culture in a cyberpunk setting. Making them actual Haitians isn't even "on the nose" with subtlety, it's the equivalent of using a hammer to smash your nose and face in.
Now this is a loop if i've ever read one. Wow
Now it all makes sense, they might have wanted to situation this in the demo or make it clear.
Im all for artists and creators to do what they want with their fake worlds and visions. Let them create what they want it's for the better. Free world and all that.
You might not like it, that's fine, don't buy it. Witcher 3 didn't have stellar sword play, but man it was such a good game anyway.
You might not like it, that's fine, don't buy it. Witcher 3 didn't have stellar sword play, but man it was such a good game anyway.
People legitimately ignoring comments made by the developer is just hilarious.
The gang isn't just black people. And what if your character is also black? Does it still seem like a white supremacists fan fic to you?
Can we stop relying on conjecture and look for evidence first, like for instance waiting until the game fucking comes out.
This game is steeped in culture and different people along with different languages. It's different from Witcher.
It's a "free city" and a melting pot. Stop getting angry over nothing. Wait until you actually see what you want to get offended by.
Era needs to start recognizing extremism and just how many people are unreasonable and illogical on here.
You're going to kill black, white, brown, green, and orange people. You're going to get offended and you're going to offend others in the game. Why? Because you're in a fucking awful hellscape. You can't be in a hellscape without awful things happening and awful people being around. Also, the language is going to be pretty over the top childish and full of curse words because that's Mike Pondsmith's vision of his game he created over 30 years ago.
The gang isn't just black people. And what if your character is also black? Does it still seem like a white supremacists fan fic to you?
Can we stop relying on conjecture and look for evidence first, like for instance waiting until the game fucking comes out.
This game is steeped in culture and different people along with different languages. It's different from Witcher.
It's a "free city" and a melting pot. Stop getting angry over nothing. Wait until you actually see what you want to get offended by.
Era needs to start recognizing extremism and just how many people are unreasonable and illogical on here.
You're going to kill black, white, brown, green, and orange people. You're going to get offended and you're going to offend others in the game. Why? Because you're in a fucking awful hellscape. You can't be in a hellscape without awful things happening and awful people being around. Also, the language is going to be pretty over the top childish and full of curse words because that's Mike Pondsmith's vision of his game he created over 30 years ago.
A lot of these posts that are like "man, you guys really want to hate this game," I just don't understand.
Like, if you want to buy the game and you don't care, nobody can stop you. Why do you care so much about telling us the feelings we are experiencing are wrong? There are plenty of places you can go to talk about what you like about it.
Like, if you want to buy the game and you don't care, nobody can stop you. Why do you care so much about telling us the feelings we are experiencing are wrong? There are plenty of places you can go to talk about what you like about it.
Talk about an overreaction. White supremacist fantasy game? Jesus fucking Christ.
Nah I got you. Was railing more about the general point than what you specifically posted. I'm disappointed that this stuff is happening on their end when it's honestly so easily solved. I'm a pretty dumb motherfucker honestly and even I understand basic shit from actively listening and participating in discussions that are outside of my own life experience. I'm sure well-paid writers on a huge video game production can do at least 25% of that which should be enough to not have the fucking "voodoo boys" gang in their game.
Completely agree that diversity in hiring is a much better solution to this, I just wanted to illustrate how easy it is to pass the ridiculously low bar set by this industry as a whole.
I don't know. I followed what the original tweet in my first post was. If what was posted is true, than the Voodoo Boys are actual Haitians. Another post had a tweet that stated that the Animals were a mixed gang. There isn't much to go on, but I hope the former gang is still a largely white gang.
It's like the less information there is, the bigger the outrage. The actual social/racial mix of the story is still pretty much up in the air, and people are already convinced it's a genocide simulator.
Well I'm glad you get to decide for others what counts as "nothing". Calm the fuck down and stop trying to shut down discussion just because you're not interested in it.
Or you could post what is actually happening instead of misrepresenting people? One tweet (not even a post on this forum) called it a genocide simulator. Other people are reacting to and discussing their opinions of what that might mean for the game. What is wrong with you people, honestly? Are you shadow-arguing against imaginary posters or something?
Stop being reasonable.
Meanwhile here is a new screenshot
I'm real glad you all are here to tell both transgender people and people of color that they're "overreacting". And that you are praising yourself for being the 'reasonable' party.
/s in case it wasn't obvious.
I think press assumes from gang name, how members talk and look. I haven't seen anyone mention that CDPR stated them to be true Haitians.
If someone has please correct me.
Nothing is fucking not having the game in front of you and listening to something off handed by someone who is stating something that isn't totally accurate according to a developer's statement about the gang, way to read everything else.
Can you link to the devs saying the Voodoo Boys are the same as in the source material? I haven't seen anything yet.
Where did I say this? Why are you making things up? I'm not saying that anyone is overreacting. Tweet that making rounds here is straight misinformation. We don't know any details. Gang might aswell be mostly white.
In what sense? I'm pretty sure that if the game does a good job of representing social issues people will have no problem taking back what they say and enjoying the game on its own merits. Right now, we only have marketing to go on and the marketing has been spotty at best. Are we supposed to be time traveling mind readers or something? I don't get it.
We're talking about the current marketing of the game. What are you talking about? No one is claiming to have an issue with the full game. People are worried about current marketing indications of what the game might end up like. CDPR are clearly listening to the feedback as well, so what is your aim here? Making people shut the fuck up or something? Come off it and grow the fuck up.
You mean about The Animals? The ones you fight against in the demo who it was claimed were all black people and you were gunning them down in a white supremacist dream scenario?
"As for The Animals, if you play through the game you'll see that they're not mostly black people, it's mixed." "
No, I mean the Voodoo Boys, who in the tabletop game were white people that kind of played stereotypes of savage Haitians. And in the game are now, apparently, black.
I just see a lot of people giving CDPR a lot of credit when it comes to some of the themes in this game and, now, here, a year out, I ask why, looking at their history.
But yeah, we'll see. Time will tell.
Ah, I completely agree with you on that. I'm hopeful that they will steer this ship right because I have a huge passion for the social aspects of this setting but I'm not convinced that CDPR has done what they need to as of yet. Glad to be proven wrong once it's out, of course.
I know nothing about that. If they were white in the source material I'm pretty sure there are white people in the gang in the game as well but from what I've seen the ones that were talked about were black. Gameplay that is written about should be revealed in two months so we'll know more by then
The poster i was replying to implied that racism and slurs would be baked into the dystopian cyberpunk scenario by default, which is why i was bringing up that Racism and racial stereotypes are not staples of Cyberpunk, obviously authors are free to write them, but it's not a must have feature of the genre.
It was my mistake to imply, one form of discrimination would override the other one, what i meant to say was that traditional realistic racism would take a back seat to the new divisions, tensions and bigotry introduced by transhumanism themes.
I am reasonable, yes. I'll criticize the game plenty if it turns out representation is truly bad. But I won't do it on second hand snippets. What we've heard from the devs is quite acceptable to me so far.
They're also cyberspace nuts, whereas in the tabletop game they were psycho frat boys. So I think the lore has been changed to be completely different.
You are quite pathetic. How many times are you going to announce your departure only to waddle back in?Stop being reasonable.
Meanwhile here is a new screenshot
Unimaginative stereotypes are the core of the Cyberpunk universe, even more if we consider that it's how Cyberpunk 2020 was written - I have the first edition which was released here in Brazil and the fact that most of the stuff is a compilation of Neuromancer and Blade Runner.
About weak gunplay, I don't know... CDProjekt Red isn't well known for a good combat, but the universe around it. I only hope that the quest system is good enough, like how they said in the extended gameplay trailer some time ago.
About weak gunplay, I don't know... CDProjekt Red isn't well known for a good combat, but the universe around it. I only hope that the quest system is good enough, like how they said in the extended gameplay trailer some time ago.
Well, I sure don't like the "who are dey" line at all... I can't image anyone who isn't a piece of shit wanting to say that unless they're role playing a piece of shit.
No wonder he wanted to double-cross and kill you at the end of the mission.
To be fair RPS is only outlet thus far to say gunplay looks weak. Every another outlet seemed to be impressed with gunplay and combat overall.
Not to mention that was 2020 and now it's 2077, many things might have changed, we lack context IMO.