RTTP the 8 Harry Potter films

Oct 25, 2017
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I grew up loving the films and I have been meaning to revisit them from the lens of being an adult. Maybe I'll see things differently in my older age.

A few ground rules/thoughts before I share my thoughts on Sorcerer's Stone

1. No I am not watching in 4k
2 While it isn't the explicit focus of the thread, criticisms of JK Rowling's poor character and personal politics are fair game. Its not my or anyone's place to make excuses for her. Her defenses of shitty people should be called out.
3. I will be looking at the films as I finish watching them.
4. No I will not be watching the Fantastic Beast movies, they suck and Rowling's screenplays are awful and worse than the Star Wars prequels

Onto the main programming

Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone

Movie released in November in 2001 and I was in the 4th grade. My mom pulled me out of school to see it opening day. That will always be a memory I will love and cherish.

Having now just finished rewatching it, the film I think holds up very very well both as an adaptation of the novel and as fun movie. Director Chris Columbus did a great job of translating the novel onto the big screen. I imagine it was a herculean task to get the sets, the lighting, and costuming just right. The film is competently directed but is well below the caliber of a film much later in the franchise. Columbus was a good fit to ease the audience into this universe.

The other massive herculean task for this film is the casting. They had so many parts they had to cast and that any weak links had made it on, the entire franchise would have suffered. All of actors in this are wonderfully cast. Alan Rickman (RIP) is a legend as Snape. He chews the scenary incredibly well and delivers every syllable with contemptuous gravitas. The strongest of the main trio in this film is Rupert Grint as Ron. He seems the most natural on screen and his delivery of comedic lines and the way he expresses himself work really damn well. Maggie Smith is great as Professer McGonagall.

John Williams's score is incredible. Its exciting, foreboding, and warm. The main theme at the opening of the film gave me genuine goosebumps.

My favorite sequence of the film when I was a kid seeing it in the theater was Quidditch. They managed to live up to my expectations of what Quidditch would look like. As an adult, my favorite scene is a small scene. When Harry discovers the Mirrror of Erisad and has this quiet moment where he sees his mother and father was so beautiful to me. Its what he can never have. In tandem with Williams quiet music, the audience really feels Harry's yearning for his parents. It affected me enough to make me pause the film and think about how fortunate I am for both my still living parents being a part of my life.

The main plot is fine. They think Snape is the trying to help Voldemort come back and figure out who is Nic Flammel. Its serviceable if a bit uninteresting. Its good enough for a family film. What the film excels at is bring the characters and worlds to life.

I guess my final verdict is that its still pretty good.

Off to watch Chamber of Secrets before seeing star wars.
 

DrForester

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Oct 25, 2017
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The first movie is fantastic and is by far the movie most faithful to the book. Casting was perfect, and everything looked great.

I never really liked how dark and dreary everything looked as the films went on. Yes, the story was darker, but it's still a world of magic. I also hate how later films got characters out of wizard robes as much as they could.
 

Josh5890

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cool thread. I've been meaning to rewatch the films for a while. I will probably do it early next year. Will keep reading!
 

Yerffej

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just did a rewatch with the kids recently. Still really like the majority of them. 3 is still tops. 5 is still the worst for me. The color grading in 6 boggles my mind at points. It's straight-up monochromatic in a bunch of scenes and I don't get why it was that way. Just sapped of life.
 

jrush64

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Oct 25, 2017
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Probably 3 and 8 are my faves. 5 is definitely the worst by far my god. They cut so much from that movie... urgh.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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The first one is so warm and inviting and lovely. It was the first time as a kid where I watched a movie and had that feeling of wanting to be there.
 

Bor Gullet

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Oct 27, 2017
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First 3 HP movies are the best ones.

The David Yates movies have their moments but they sucked out all the magic.
 

KillstealWolf

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Oct 27, 2017
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First 3 HP movies are the best ones.

The David Yates movies have their moments but they sucked out all the magic.
After Grindelwald, I hope Yates moves away from the franchise now (Although I don't know if Grindelwald is his fault of JKs)

Growing up on the series they've been a pretty key part of culture for me growing up (My generations Star Wars, I suppose). 3 is probably the favourite of the bunch for me, I pretty much like all of them. Even 7.1 which I think is the weakest still has that great Tale of the Three Brothers sequence that makes it stand out.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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1, 2, and 3 are great, 4, 5 and 6 get progressively worse and are unfaithful to the books for no reason, 7 part 1 is great, 7 part 2... Meh.

I do miss these films and books coming out, damn, it has been so long.
 

Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
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I’m watching these for the first time with my girlfriend that loves them and I tend to agree with others saying the first three are the best. From four onwards we are in to full teen angst territory.
 

teague

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Kinda surprised to see any love for the post-Azkaban ones, I thought the general consensus was that they sucked
 

ostrichKing

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Weird...surprised to hear the love for the first two. I think they are still the weakest of the bunch...with two being the worst...3 is still the very best. I’d love to see HBO/BBC take a crack at doing a miniseries of every book.
 

Bor Gullet

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Kinda surprised to see any love for the post-Azkaban ones, I thought the general consensus was that they sucked
They only "suck" because they're seen as kids movies, and people wanna gravitate to the "adult" ones.

Even though David Yates lacks any imagination and is one the blandest directors around.

Edit: I completely misread this lol.
 
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jrush64

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kinda surprised to see any love for the post-Azkaban ones, I thought the general consensus was that they sucked
Which general consensus exactly? This is the first time ive ever heard this.

My gripe with the latter films is that they keep taking good stuff from Ron so that Emma can have more screen time.
Agree with this too. They botched the Weasley's majorly in the movies especially Ginny. Book Ginny was awesome, movie Ginny was just there.
 

Van Bur3n

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Oct 27, 2017
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Stopped being good after the third one. Should have just stopped after three and had the perfect trilogy.
 

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Bold thing to do on the day that JK Rowling's TERF views are no longer plausibly deniable. I agree that the first three are the only really good ones but I thought the fourth was OK at least. After that I think one of the biggest things killing the movies is nobody was brave enough to edit the source material.
 

teague

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They only "suck" because they're seen as kids movies, and people wanna gravitate to the "adult" ones.
Idk, people say this about a lot of stuff but I feel like when there's an actually great kids' movie like Paddington 2 or every Ghibli movie you can still tell the difference between that and 'normal' kid's movies where they go "ehh whatever those dumb kids won't know the difference"
 

Bor Gullet

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Worse than Chris Columbus?
Yes. Because at the very least Columbus was faithful to the books, and made the world feel magical and full of wonderment.

David Yates is the director who turned wands into the equivalent of handguns. I still hate how he fucked up the last HP movie, the final battle could have been so much more.
 
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kiaaa

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Oct 27, 2017
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I bought the digital 4k set for my girlfriend's birthday and she watches them over and over. I can't really see them as anything but incredibly flawed movies at this point. A lot of that comes from the books, but the movies make some bad choices. My girlfriend thinks it's hilarious when I get pissed off at some of the dumber parts (Dumbledore's Army written on a piece of paper).

Also, not 100% sure if this is from the books because I haven't read them in years, but the power scaling towards the end where wizards are literally flying around without brooms makes a lot of earlier parts of the series really dumb.
 

jrush64

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Of critics and people who read all the books before the movies came out
Yeah I dont agree with this. All the movies have been receieved well. THe last has like 96 on rotten tomatoes so I still dont get where you got that from. Whatever anyway.

I bought the digital 4k set for my girlfriend's birthday and she watches them over and over. I can't really see them as anything but incredibly flawed movies at this point. A lot of that comes from the books, but the movies make some bad choices. My girlfriend thinks it's hilarious when I get pissed off at some of the dumber parts (Dumbledore's Army written on a piece of paper).

Also, not 100% sure if this is from the books because I haven't read them in years, but the power scaling towards the end where wizards are literally flying around without brooms makes a lot of earlier parts of the series really dumb.
I think you might be mis-remembering some stuff. Voldermort is the only one that can fly without brooms. What they did do was change the apparition effect in the movies though that makes it look like there flying. It looks much better.
 

kiaaa

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I think you might be mis-remembering some stuff. Voldermort is the only one that can fly without brooms. What they did do was change the apparition effect in the movies though that makes it look like there flying. It looks much better.
Guess it is just a movie thing, but it isn't exactly apparition.



In the Harry Potter films, Apparition is often depicted as similar to flight, with those using it even able to cast spells, physically fight, and affect the stability of the Millennium Bridge while flying closely around its support cables, causing them to break off telekinetically. In this form, characters are shown to be able to impact and collide with each other hard enough to launch humans several yards or even break through wooden or stone walls. The characters that do so, namely Death Eaters or Order of the Phoenix members, can turn into pillars of black or white smoke that rush through the air. As it is portrayed in the books, however, this sort of application of Apparition would be impossible, and thus this cannot be considered canon. Also, in every film with the Dark Mark in the sky, Death Eaters are shown Apparating inside of its mouth in smoke form. This allows them to fly out of it and appear wherever it is cast, allowing them to use it as a sort of portal.
 

Magic-Man

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Not the biggest fan of the movies (hate the acting from most of the actors, Snape and Hermione excluded, and the entire Weasley family sucks in the movies) but you can't deny that this is the strongest fantasy story of modern day.
 

darz1

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First was great. I hated the second, especially how whiney Ron was, the third was so much better than the rest of the film's. It really set the bar so high they were unable to match it. The fourth was a let down coming off the third but wasn't a bad film. The rest were good, just not as good as the third

The Dementors in the third film were so much better than the following portrayals. That scene on the train was great
 

Jotakori

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love the Harry Potter movies! I rewatch them like every other, other month lol. They never get old for me; perfect background noise.
5 is my favorite cuz I'm a sucker for rising up against corrupt authority plotlines, and 6 is my least favorite cuz Ginny and also cuz I unfortunately had just read the book before viewing so all the changed and missing stuff pissed me off and I've never been properly able to let that first impression go.
 

Brandino

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The only movie I find a chore to sit through is Order of the Phoneix. However, the actress who plays Umbridge is excellent. I love to hate her
 
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Chamber of Secrets

I think I might like this one more than Sorcerer's Stone. The mystery of the Chamber of Secrets is a much more intriguing plot. It also fleshes out the backstory of Lord Voldemort quite well and his hateful fascist ideology.

In fact, the movie does a great job of continuing the world building from the first film incredibly well. We learn more about the origins of Hogwarts here. Its biazarre that one of the founders is a racist that the other founders were okay with other than his stance to keep muggle born students out.

Performances are still fantastic with actors from the previous film continuing to shine like Tom Felton who really really works as a spoiled haughty asshole. Kenneth Branagh is legendary here as Professor Lockheart. Every gesture and every smile he wears is so on point and very in character. Jason Isaacs is wonderfully sinister as Lucius Malfoy.

One of the things that makes these movies so special are all these British character actors chewing the scenery in their own way. Its great fun.

The end of this movie of Harry saying "its not Hogwarts without you, Hagrid" and then embracing Hagrid before the school sans Malfoy and his posse breaking into applause always gives me the warmest fuzzies.

Also I sat through the credits this time and saw a weird epilogue where in Diagon Alley where Lockheart's new book Who Am I are on display. What the hell lol? How have I never seen this.

Movie is very good. Off to Azkaban.

 

exodus

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just rewatched the movies.

4 > 3 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 5 > 1 > 2

Something like that. 4 is so underrated, and has the best tone out of the movies. Volermort's revival is a chilling scene.

3 has the best story, but it took a style that I find far too whimsical for its own good.

Honestly, 3 and 4 are the only movies I actually like. 6 is alright. The rest are just kind of a slog.