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[Rumor] Brad Sams: Xbox Scarlett Cloud box information leaked (Next-gen; Traditional system as well)
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Oh my god, this is such a ignorant post.
WHY ON EARTH would a company give up on cloud tech?
It's the future. Get on with the times.
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Let's talk about the post itself:
The idea of two instances of the game running at the same time, one locally and another on the data center, is very intriguing. We need to see how much this local hardware will cost, to see if it'll be worth.
As the article points out, Microsoft has data centers all around the world, which makes it a lot easier. Personally, I'm very close to an Azure data center, and I get around 5-10ms latency to it, which would be incredible for such a device.
I'm excited. Let's see how it turns out.
As someone that bought an OnLive and actually relied on it for PC Gaming for awhile (was traveling for work) I've always been about the cloud gaming future.
Here's hoping their product works well!
Here's hoping their product works well!
Why would they??? More and more companies are starting to explore that space because it is the future. Platform holders above all should be at the forefront.
Microsoft has a presence in pretty much every country in the world, they should have enough servers to make it possible for most people (or at least more than Nintendo and Sony).
If anyone has the global infrastructure to take that leap it's them (or Google).
If anyone has the global infrastructure to take that leap it's them (or Google).
Cloud computing is the future, regardless of how people here might feel about it. Yes it has to get better, but it doesn't get better unless companies like MS and Sony put in the groundwork now and go through all of the bumps and obstacles. You don't just wake up one day in the future and have seamless, flawless cloud gaming.
A hard drive dealing with collision detection is... an interesting approach..
Sounds like BS considering how they talked about streaming on all platforms, no matter what devices you have, at E3. A dedicated device just to stream Xbox games would be bundled Kinect levels of stupidity. You don't need to solve latency, in fact you simply can't get it down to traditional console levels. No matter what hardware you put in, the main problem will always be latency from the server to your device via your internet.
I have absolutely no idea how local collision detection could possibly work when streaming the main game logic. Ill have to read up on how they have implemented this.
This would make gamepass huge if everyone could just replace their roku/appletv with this thing.
The sad, cynical future I envision with this isn't MS or Sony lobbying the government, it's MS and Sony partnering with internet providers to incentivize users to buy their box/games. Get ready for "sign up with Xfinity and your PlayStation Now game streaming doesn't count against your data cap!*"
*only applies during the hours of 11pm to 5 am Monday through Friday"
Hmm. One detail that seems interesting to me.
He says that MS would require devs to make a streaming and a native version of games, not just one.
I wonder what that means for BC. I would have guessed that BC would be a lock for a next traditional Xbox system, but maybe BC will extend to the streaming box? I guess the streaming box could be powerful enough to run Xbox One games natively, or perhaps BC would be included with the streaming solution. Or perhaps the requirement to be supported on both boxes wouldn't extend to BC stuff.
BC would be pretty important, since it feeds into game pass/gwg etc pretty well.
He says that MS would require devs to make a streaming and a native version of games, not just one.
I wonder what that means for BC. I would have guessed that BC would be a lock for a next traditional Xbox system, but maybe BC will extend to the streaming box? I guess the streaming box could be powerful enough to run Xbox One games natively, or perhaps BC would be included with the streaming solution. Or perhaps the requirement to be supported on both boxes wouldn't extend to BC stuff.
BC would be pretty important, since it feeds into game pass/gwg etc pretty well.
That moment when you've almost beaten a dark souls boss on he 10th attempt but there is a lag spike :P
I will remain sceptical about whether we are ready for this or not but very interested to see how they are planning to work around the latency issues from a technical perspective.
I will remain sceptical about whether we are ready for this or not but very interested to see how they are planning to work around the latency issues from a technical perspective.
If I take a second and think about it more. IF and I mean IF the steaming box does anything close to the performance of the traditional box and works on shit internet (I travel a lot, so hotel internet for me). And every game I buy is playable on both consoles with cloud saves meaning I can leave home on a trip and just plug in my steaming box at the hotel and pick up where I left off....now THAT might be interesting to me.
I'm not personally interested in a streaming device at all .. however, I am more concerned over the impact that its production and elements would have on the Next Xbox. Will they dedicate more effort, time etc .. even the new game studios .. to just streaming items for Scarlet? Obviously not - but to what extent? For me the news is more worrisome around the Next XBOX Hardware, and what it will be, and what support it would get down the line - I want them to get more competitive, not less because they shift their focus to streaming.
Hope I'm wrong - but time will tell.
edit i got the names backwards - scarlet is the HW, unnamed is the streaming device
Hope I'm wrong - but time will tell.
edit i got the names backwards - scarlet is the HW, unnamed is the streaming device
This would only be applicable in the US, I believe.
Canada FTW~~~
The $99 cloud box sounds like an interesting idea! Can't wait to see it in aftion, especially if it's on the way faster than the traditional console.
Sounds great so far. My only concern is how MS will handle the Net Neutrality problems if ISPs begin to throttle speeds, pay for speed lanes ect. Im hoping they have at least a disc drive just incase.
The fact that he says the cloud gaming console will launch in 2020, I don't think their traditional console will launch earlier.
I don't understand why anyone would ever want compromise on latency in any way. Game streaming is so intensely unappealing specifically for that reason. Then add in bandwith caps, throttling, no net neutrality, the generally poor infrastructure of the US.
Yeah, no thanks.
Yeah, no thanks.
On the contrary, the streaming box would be the best selling console and it would require game pass to be useful. Multiplayer is a non factor at that point. You've got guaranteed money from anyone owning that if they want to game at all.
If they're going to try the streaming route I'd be interested to know why I need to buy any new hardware at all - other than for the purposes of selling a new box for the sake of selling something.
Like why wouldn't this just be an app for the existing Xbox One that opens up all the existing owners to the next generation of Xbox games. I can't imagine what secret sauce hardware they'd be putting in this $100 box to solve the latency issue which the existing Xbox wouldn't already be capable of doing.
Like why wouldn't this just be an app for the existing Xbox One that opens up all the existing owners to the next generation of Xbox games. I can't imagine what secret sauce hardware they'd be putting in this $100 box to solve the latency issue which the existing Xbox wouldn't already be capable of doing.
If they actually manages to make this work then this could be huge. 99 for a new gen console at launch is a dream for all companies and MS might just have that. The only problem is will people be able to buy any game they want and play it for free after that, and will this restrict the streaming service from going into other devices (like mobile) since it's not just streaming?
There's two consoles. If you don't think your internet is good enough, or you might have issues with throttling, you just get the normal console.
Interesting. In theory, wouldn't the Xbox One family of devices be able to use the streaming service as well? Unless there is some sort of hardware optimization, I can't see why it wouldn't work.
They solve for that in the near term by having a local box capable of playing everything.
Hamstringing the development of streaming services because of the current state of ISPs and Net Neutrality would be short sighted for a company as large as Microsoft.
They solve for that in the near term by having a local box capable of playing everything.
Hamstringing the development of streaming services because of the current state of ISPs and Net Neutrality would be short sighted for a company as large as Microsoft.
For the mainstream audience, it's essentially there. Those people don't keep a CRT set up up to play Smash with zero latency. They play on TV's with horrible input lag and bad WiFi connections already. As long as it feels imperceptible to these people, the vast majority won't care. And MS is still releasing a high end piece of hardware for those who do.