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RUMOR: Microsoft Preparing Xbox App & GamePass for Nintendo Switch (Direct-Feed Games)
- Thread starter Monumma
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You know what else is making a killing for Nintendo? The Nintendo Switch.
If they wanted to go third party, it would've happened like 4 years ago when the Wii U was in the dumps and the 3DS was treading water.
Putting their games on XBox for now is a non-starter for Nintendo, their business model as is makes them plenty of money and Switch is going to easily destroy the install base of the XBox One. Probably part and parcel why MS is wanting to get so chummy ... they know the Switch is going to have a massive audience and they want their streaming service there.
Why? XBox One S levels of gfx are more than good enough for people looking to play a quick game on the move on their smartphone.
This isn't about replacing consoles, it's just about MS looking to get on the mobile gaming platform, without the need to make its own Handheld
Oh. My. Word.
Firstly, game pass isn't somewhere you publish your third party games - you put them in there later to get some incremental revenue and potentially build awareness for a published sequel, get some DLC purchases etc.
Third parties are still going to want to be everywhere that has a large enough addressable market to get a return on investment and is technically capable of being ported to.
Also Sony have had streaming for 5 years(?) already with ps now, to pc, vita, PS4, and Android (although only Xperia which is dumb they need to fix that). I would fully expect them to extend that to all android and iOS.
My biggest paradox is that everyone here mostly shits on PSNow for lag, or having a slow internet connection or data cap so they can't play it. Yet xCloud which doesn't even exist yet will apparently be the dawn of a new utopia in streaming
MS is in a worse position than Sony. They have less to lose and more to gain by taking calculated risks like this. That said I feel MS's approach is leagues ahead of the competition and it will surely pay off in the future.
I don't agree that Nintendo would need to heavily curate the service. The more games on the platform, the better. Why would Nintendo worry about competition from other titles? We already know that Nintendo first party and Nintendo-published titles basically dominate Nintendo platforms anyway as that's what probably 97% of people buying it are getting it for. Nintendo allows shovelware on the platform, so for them to curate titles because they're good and may hurt sales of their own titles is absurd.
What about third-parties in the subscription future? RDR2 made more than a billion dollars and sold 23M copies in 3-4 month. MS and Sony can't pay those bills and there's a real possibility that your less inclined to buy full priced games along with your Plus/Gold and GP/PSNow subscribtions when you already have hundreds of games to play and you know the game will be on those services in a few months. Please don't use arguments that GP boosts sales. We don't have any data this will happen if there's like 50-60 million active subscribers. GP has like 2-4 million subscribers with heavy promotions all the time. It's no coincidence Phil didn't say GP has 5 or 10 million subscribers but a very vague "millions". Again, with constant deals, trials, promotions.
This was always Microsoft next logical step.
The edge MS always had compared to Sony and Nintendo was in the service department and a platform agnostic, cloud based streaming service is the end point (the platform isn't the hardware itself anymore but instead the web service).
The surprising part is Nintendo accepting to host Microsoft game streaming service in their closed garden which is why everybody is speculating of what could be the terms of the deal.
Nintendo doesn't care for additional content, they care if they can control and monetize from it.
Nintendo is also a company which don't have any ambition over cloud based service business (to own the infrastructure and manage the software part) so an alliance with Microsoft could be positive for them.
In short the reason why I think this rumor is credible is that Nintendo and Microsoft are very different company (different aims, different skill set) despite both owning a physical console platform and complement each other very well.
However to make a deal work it need to be in favour of Nintendo still controlling and monetizing from the content made available on Nintendo's closed garden.
Basically the short term deal need to be in favour of Nintendo, what Microsoft gains is the immediate availability of their web services on a rapidly growing hardware install base, console which was bought primarily for playing the kind of "serious" games which will be the backbone of the incoming cloud gaming war.
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I mean, I don't think the win is as big here for Nintendo unless they're taking a percentage of those subscription sales.
If so, nice little bit of extra revenue for them, but I'm still not sure who is buying a Switch that wants to play Xbox games. Guess we'll find out.
Other than that, sounds mostly like Xbox looking to expand offerings on another high selling platform. Long-term it could be very interesting whether this complete de-emphasis on hardware will work in the long run.
If so, nice little bit of extra revenue for them, but I'm still not sure who is buying a Switch that wants to play Xbox games. Guess we'll find out.
Other than that, sounds mostly like Xbox looking to expand offerings on another high selling platform. Long-term it could be very interesting whether this complete de-emphasis on hardware will work in the long run.
Thank God for Mattrick then, because this is awesome.
That said with Nadella at the helm, MS has quickly become a company that expands their reach by maximizing their services - even if it means putting their software on competitors devices. This is yet another example.
I don't think there will be an all subscription future. It's simply another option for consumers and an additional revenue stream for providers.
I don't think there's a real possibility that gamepass adoption will notably impact people's desires to buy full priced games.
People still go see blockbuster movies at the theater, even though they have several video subscriptions at home. That catalog with hundreds of on-demand selections doesn't kill demand for the hottest new releases.
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People say that it was a logical step for Ms, but I'm not so sure.
They decided that they couldn't compete in the hardware race which lead to pushing PC as a new Xbox platform.
Few years later they decide they're capable of handling streaming and it's the best course of action for them
The goal is to have it work with 10mb down and I've been luck enough to live in a major city where that's obtainable and has been for like 8 years now. Also just knowing through WiFi at my house or any friends house I can easily obtain the bandwidth needed. You just sound so bitter it's sad
What's with the little petty digs? You can debate without resorting to that but then again I'm not surprised coming from people like you. It's not "sad" to think you can't take high fidelity streaming "wherever you go" (which is what you said) but if it works at home then that's good.
It wouldn't make any sense if you would need an Xbox. If all of this is true, it would mean that you could subscribe to Gamepass and play their catalogue of games via streaming on the Nintendo Switch. It's unclear if you would need things like NSO or XBL Gold. But in theory:
Pay $10 (or whatever the xCloud Game Pass fee will be) and start Halo Infinite on your Switch and enjoy. No installing, no download. Just play.
It is sad because you obviously just hate the fact that any of this is going happen. I said I could take Halo anywhere and you made sure to say I couldn't due to internet like it's 2004. Why are you labeling it high fidelity streaming now lol
I remember when we were kids we used to talk all the time about what if all the console makers just got together and made only 1 console where you can play all games, and this is just 1 step closer to that reality. I could see myself getting a switch again if it means I'll have a bigger screen and controllers to stream my games to when I'm away from home!
Yes, the hardware where you plan on will be less important. But there will be exclusivity and maybe even more of it if Amazon and Google join the fray. That's the big danger of all of this; will we be paying 10 dollars for every service, so if you want to play games from every publisher, you'll be paying 60 dollars per month?
All games from every publisher for the cost of one game. Sounds fair
Oh yes, next generation will be the subscription and streaming generation for sure.
I expect Amazon to have some included with my prime subscription and make me pay extra to unlock all games. Google is the one that really needs to do something big because honestly, Google movies and music services are the worst of the bunch when looking at all the big players so unless they pull a miracle i have a hard time seeing how they'll do something amazing with games, unless they start getting tons of exclusive content on their service.
Also, I wonder if Gamepass could actually include Switch games for Switch owners. Like some kind of split revenu sharing with Nintendo where they get streamable Xbox games as well as downloadable switch games.
What's sad is you not realising you can't take it "wherever you go" but ok lol.
Dude we get it if it was PSNow you would be singing it's praises.
And the Switch will still make a killing for Nintendo even if they put thier exclusives on the Xbox ecosystem.
As I keep saying both parties can earn more money by using each other's consoles as they are not in competition
I do wonder that if/when streaming is the future, how will that work out for big publishers?
Activision's own service, EA's own service (think they're doing this already?), Sony's own service, Nintendo's, Ubisoft's, etc.
Amazon and Google want to throw their hat into the ring as well.
Just wonder how this will all play out, too many streaming services will be bad news, I think
Well, having all your games via subscription may seem like a good idea in the near future, but also beware that you will never own games ever again and that you'll be bound to subscriptions for the entirety of your life, and more, you will never be able to play games without internet.
So yeah, I will subscribe, but I won't give up on having my own games.
So yeah, I will subscribe, but I won't give up on having my own games.
Xbox hardware market is small so it's not really worth getting into.
If Nintendo loses Nintendo game exclusivity their hardware loses the grand majority of its selling power
Xbox hardware market is anywhere between 50m to 80m based on how the 360 and X1 sold.
Nintendos exclusives would sell millions on that install base without harming sales of hardware
There is a new Switch rumored to come out in second half of 2019. Maybe that fixes the wifi issues?
When did I talk about PSNow? Not sure if you have trouble reading but I clearly said if they can get it working that's good but taking it "wherever you go" is obviously not true - it all depends on a good infrastructure and internet and in a lot of places in the world it's not very good.
What's not to like?
More AAA games on Switch - Great for Switch gamers
Portable Xbox games - Great for Xbox gamers
If this turns out to be true then it's one of the biggest positive changes the gaming industry has seen.
Getting all the Xbox exclusives to the PC was good enough for me - multi screen support, graphics settings and no more 30fps.
But this is something else!
It's small, relatively speaking.
It's not like the massive mobile market that Nintendo felt forced to try and tap into.
Sure, they'd sell more, but likely a lot fewer units on their own platform where they get the full cut. Doesn't seem worth losing their exclusivity which is a major factor in Nintendo hardware sales. You don't see Sony releasing games on PC, for instance.
Are we allowed to be excited about this if we live in an advanced city in a first world country?
As long as Nintendo is making hardware the idea of them allowing their games anywhere else is some seriously wishful thinking imo
Never said you can't? At the same time people are allowed to express their views cynically as not everyone is from first world countries here.
It's small this gen, Switch will likely surpass its LTD in a few months.
But that's a generation to generation thing and they're down this gen.
Yes they are down. It's still not what I'd call small. But to his point, Nintendo selling their exclusives on other hardware makes little sense. It's THE reason people buy Nintendo hardware.
You think they recently decided to push into streaming?
We were hearing about demos of Halo 4 being streamed to cellphones and PCs over 5 years ago.Even before the Xbox one launched
They were never in a "hardware race" they were always in a software and services race. In gaming, You used to have to sell hardware in order to make money on software and services. It was a means to and end, but that reality is changing.
MS' original goal was to make Windows the center of the living room. Now that mobile devices and streaming are encroaching on living room time and the need for dedicated hardware , and extending Entertainment beyond the home , this is quite obviously a logical step for MS.
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Putting their exclusives on PC and pushing Xbox as a platform independent of a branded hardware is new and suggest a shift in focus away from their own hardware. Streaming was probably developing independently for sometime, I mean Sony is working on it too.
Maybe we need a "what if Nintendo puts their games on Xbox?" thread so we don't bring it up in all other threads and confuse people that it might be something that's happening.
If people think that's a good idea I could make it even if I don't believe it personally.
If people think that's a good idea I could make it even if I don't believe it personally.