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RUMOR - Morale At GameFreak at an all time low.

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I just so happened to be listening to that very episode.

I fast-forwarded to the time stamp and maybe shouldn't have, because I do still feel like I'm missing a bunch of context - the entire episode certainly has a running theme this week of company employment and morale.

There are so so many Pokemon threads where I've tried to articulate a post but have just ended up leaving it alone. It is extremely off-putting to see so much arguing while the drive-by 'fans of this game/franchise/system are the issue' keep happening as well.

I live for the 'normie' discussions of Game Freak/the main entries of Pokemon on podcasts like Waypoint, because they are just that level of intimacy that I want to hear about in my Pokemon discussions.
 
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Phellps

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm afraid I'm out of the loop. What has GameFreak down to necessitate "winning back fans"? I don't really play Pokémon games anymore, but I'm very curious.
It's debatable that they even need to win back fans at all, let alone the true reason for that.
People are just trying to push a narrative with zero facts.
 

Moirayn

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Nov 7, 2018
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I feel bad for the Pokemon team, as I think they're capable of a lot more but are hamstrung by the overarching pokemon media strategy. They've become victims of their own success. Pokemon fans seem to expect 10/10 when it's very hard to make something that both feels new/fresh but doesn't deviate from the core structure of the gam, especially when they rarely have more than a 2 year gap between major game releases. I think typically they do an admirable job, and this looks like some of their best work. Hopefully they will give more info on Pokemon Home soon to see if it can somehow partially fill in the void left by all of these pokemon being cut from the current release.
 

Dr Pears

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“Toxic fans” to GF: *constructive criticism*

GF: Our morale is down

“Real fans” to “Toxic fans”: TOXIC! GTFO! Leave GF alone!

Real toxic “fans”: Hehehe lazy devs
 
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Kanmurukillua

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I don't think the sales are a good argument in favor of lower level employees losing morality. That won't affect any of them. They've already been paid. The higher ups are who make money off of sales.
 

Aaronrules380

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Weren't you debating that they don't really listen to fans, though?
The presence of widely requested QoL clearly shows otherwise, whether you find them impactful or not.
They've been trying to improve competitive for ages and while I appreciate that, it's a niche within a niche of hardcore fans, and only one group of them. They've still done literally nothing for fans who want a better single player experience
 

Mekanos

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“Toxic fans” to GF: *constructive criticism*

GF: Our morale is down

“Real fans” to “Toxic fans”: TOXIC! GTFO! Leave GF alone!
I've been very critical of Sword/Shield but let's not pretend there weren't people who legitimately harassed GameFreak employees in their quest to be heard. It seems though that many posters here have already made up their mind that anybody disappointed in the games is in that group or condones their actions.
 

Dark Cloud

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Oct 27, 2017
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High sales doesn’t mean criticisms employees heard about a game will cure their morale. Those criticisms will always be there
 

Astandahl

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- return of PSS (+ improvements)
- return of DexNav features like Pokemon available in the area and special Pokemon with improved stats/movesets
- return of rental Pokemon (online feature)

+ features that were asked by fans like :

- ranked online mode
- QoL features regarding breeding
- Being able to play together with friends (true in the Wild area)
- Stronger Pokemon available in the wild
- less hand holding at the begining of the game
This is great. In the last iterations Pokemon really moved away from the original concept of being able to explore the world since the start and tried a more linear approach. I've nothing against linear games but their forced tutorials and mediocre stories didn't do Pokemon X & Y and Sun/Moon any good.
 

Blueblur

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Must suck to be a GF employee right now. Basically every problem people have with SwSh isnt their fault yet their the ones taking all the blame for it.
I'm sure they're frustrated with a couple different aspects of the current situation. Not just fan requested things that were cut/not included but the management decisions that lead to them too. And I'm sure there are some team members that wish there were more hours in a day to get the fan requested stuff in.

Its tough to work on a very public product and not be able to do anything about perceived issues and/or missed opportunities on your own. You need management to approve things and then the whole ship has to turn in unison.
 

Lelouch0612

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They had ranked online already, it's not new, even if it sounds like they improved it a bit.
Who asked for the stronger wild Pokemon thing?
It's cool that they're finally letting us skip tutorials that they should've let us skip ages ago, but doing a few bare minimum changes doesn't impress me that much

Rental pokemon returning are cool, but most people never even knew it existed in SM because of the hoops you needed to jump through so I doubt it's returning due to fan demand.
Not sure how anything is that similar to DexNav
Lol even in your answer you dismissed the parts of my post you couldnt refute.

You already made your mind and I see that nothing will change it.
 

Lothars

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Oct 25, 2017
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The "lazy developers" is always a ridiculous accusation. I'm sure they worked harder than ever but they really messed up their priorities. They should know that fans are very disappointed.
Exactly, the devs are far from lazy but that doesn't mean the game looks good and hasn't been a constant dissapointment in pretty much every turn.
 

chrisPjelly

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Oct 29, 2017
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I feel like this has devolved into people accusing each other of either being "toxic haters" or "fanboy shills". Get the fuck over yourselves.
 

Aaronrules380

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I've been very critical of Sword/Shield but let's not pretend there weren't people who legitimately harassed GameFreak employees in their quest to be heard. It seems though that many posters here have already made up their mind that anybody disappointed in the games is in that group or condones their actions.
Of course there was an incredibly small subset of people doing that amongst people who were upset. It's also totally disingenuous to pretend that those people represent anything more than a small fraction of the people who are upset
 

Kanmurukillua

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I've been very critical of Sword/Shield but let's not pretend there weren't people who legitimately harassed GameFreak employees in their quest to be heard. It seems though that many posters here have already made up their mind that anybody disappointed in the games is in that group or condones their actions.
It sure was fun after E3 having everyone with any criticism of the game or Game Freak's decisions be associated with the person who decided to fabricate false accusations toward Masuda. I love not being able to criticize anything in a game because of shit I didn't do.
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
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Honestly there is a major issue with the games beyond Dexit, but it won't become apparent until we get concrete facts. And if the criticism in that department does get to them it should be taken to heart because it is worrying.
 

Treestump

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This is the part all these ridiculous “game will sell lots, they’ll be fine” posts are missing, but I’ve learned not to expect better from many Era users, they tend to ignore plenty of things.
“Toxic fans” to GF: *constructive criticism*

GF: Our morale is down

“Real fans” to “Toxic fans”: TOXIC! GTFO! Leave GF alone!
For my own curiosity's sake and the sake of this thread, can you two explain your points and how GF aren't listening to fans? Maybe if we actually get the ball rolling instead of complaining about each other, we can have some sort of discussion.
 

Sandfox

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I don't understand the "People won't let me be negative without calling me
I feel bad for lower level employees and their morale, of course, because they're the ones who will get the internal blame, which absolutely sucks and will never ever be okay. But the higher ups are the ones who are going to make the money off of this game which is going to get Pokemon sales + Switch boost, so I can't really feel that bad for the higher ups.

Not a fan of people painting any criticism as toxicity though, Pokemon for some reason is something a lot of people get really upset about any criticism toward, to the point of getting excessively mad about a 7.8 review or whatever. There are bad eggs anywhere in this fandom.
That's not what's happening though. Some people are going to be like that, but for the most part people don't care about normal criticism.

Also, that review thing isn't Pokemon exclusive. Just look at what happened with Twilight Princess, Uncharted 2, and even the Death Stranding thread had to set guidelines from post #1.

“Toxic fans” to GF: *constructive criticism*

GF: Our morale is down

“Real fans” to “Toxic fans”: TOXIC! GTFO! Leave GF alone!
lol at "constructive criticism"
 
Nov 3, 2017
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Honestly, if it's true, maybe the SwSh fiasco will finally be the kick in the pants they need to decide to start listening to the fanbase instead of ignoring them.
or maybe it's because they've had to deal with assholes constantly calling them lazy, assholes getting mad at the team who did their own passion project off to the side, along with jerks who spammed BBND tweets to Masuda on stuff such as:

-His tweet congratulating someone on their wedding
-His tweet honoring the victims of Nagasaki's Atomic Bombing
-His Tweets on fanart people send him
-Random Psyduck stuff he tweets (it's his favorite mon yet some people think it's a Gen 1 pandering conspiracy?)

Yeah if I worked there even if I was proud as heck of my product I'd be an anxious wreck nervous to death. This combined with if they have crunch (I honestly suspect they do) is just not a good combination. Not to mention this is the fanbase that has begged and raged for yearly releases anytime it seems like we won't get one: In 2015 when Super MD was the holiday release, in 2017 when people wanted a next gen or Stars/eclipse on Switch, and in 2018 when people expected the Gen 8 pokemon game to be thrown out that same year and were mad that LGPE weren't it.

Quite honestly, I just feel bad for the company more than anything. Especially considering how they deserve absolutely none of the behavior and harrassment sent their way. I say that as someone who was very mad by how ORAS turned out, BTW. I hated the games and even tweeted to Masuda that it disappointed me greatly but I left it at that one tweet and found other games in 2014 to play instead. There's a difference between feedback and harassment like they've been getting, if r/Pokemon and twitter are any indicators.
 

Martmyte

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Imagine having to create hundreds of unique looking creatures, I'd run out of ideas after about five.
 

HardRojo

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I've been very critical of Sword/Shield but let's not pretend there weren't people who legitimately harassed GameFreak employees in their quest to be heard. It seems though that many posters here have already made up their mind that anybody disappointed in the games is in that group or condones their actions.
Exactly, which is why you see posters like Xavi generalizing and trying to act as if there wasn’t actual constructive criticism within Era, but it’s to be expected, we’ve been dancing this dance for months now.
 

Dark Cloud

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I feel like this has devolved into people accusing each other of either being "toxic" or "shills".
It’s like people can’t acknowledge there’s more than Shills and toxic people. You have toxic people who call Game Freak lazy, but you also have people who realize Game Freak is not lazy and have actual criticism of the games. Don’t lump everyone under one category
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lol even in your answer you dismissed the parts of my post you couldnt refute.

You already made your mind and I see that nothing will change it.
I'm still getting the game, I've just been disappointed in the direction Masuda and Ohmori have been taking the franchise for ages. There's a lot of exciting stuff about sword and shield, but that doesn't negate how disappointing some aspects of it are or mean I shouldn't be allowed to express the choices they made that I dislike
 
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Honestly, if it's true, maybe the SwSh fiasco will finally be the kick in the pants they (Edit: By which I mean Masuda, and the rest of the higher ups, the actual devs at faultless here.) need to decide to start listening to the fanbase instead of ignoring them.
Wouldn’t it just be amazing if this were the reason that developers there are at an all time low, if it’s even true at all?

I would want absolutely nothing to do with the Pokémon fanbase. They’re insufferable and all of the more casual and younger people that the game is actually targeted at rarely make their positive voices heard over the chorus of negativity from the toxic portions.

No thanks. At some point, you become a game developer because you have ideas about what you think would be fun. It has to be tiring just doing what everyone else “wants” you to do every day.
 

B4mv

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Nov 2, 2017
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Wonder how much the toxic fanbase is to blame for that.
People are relentless.
 

Xavi

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Err... you are, people have praised the good decisions, the problem is there are some users who won’t let others express criticism, as you will understand.
And I'm sure you can understand that a lot of us, who are not bothered by the dex cut, understand that there are disappointed fans about it and don't think all criticism towards GF is some kind of toxicity.

Shh, we’ve already established that absolutely any and all kinds of criticism is toxic, expressing such things will not be allowed, it’ll be generalized as toxic behavior expected from assholes.
 

Zen Hero

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really appreciate the work that Gamefreak does! Pokemon is better than ever in my eyes!
 

HK-47

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I've been very critical of Sword/Shield but let's not pretend there weren't people who legitimately harassed GameFreak employees in their quest to be heard. It seems though that many posters here have already made up their mind that anybody disappointed in the games is in that group or condones their actions.
Bad apples spoil the bunch is a big perception problem.
 

PancakeFlip

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It's not the leaks, its probably the reaction to everything and the fact that a significant amount of media surrounding the game is negative. All you have to do is google the games and tons of bad news pops up along with the regular stuff.
 

Linde

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-people relentless shit on your games and studio as whole, usually undeservedly
-game leaks weeks in advance, spoiling some amazing designs
can't blame em
 
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