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GrooveCommand

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Oct 28, 2017
1,340
You know such a thing exists as third party MFi chargers right? They're durable and excellent, and cost less than the $19.99 1M cable Apple gives you.

in my experience most people end up buying those cheapo Chinese cables from walmart instead of apples own if they need a replacement. id be curious how much apple makes off their proprietary cables and whether or not the high price can make up for the lost sales taken by cheap alternatives.

Which is exactly why their cable pricing is so transparently bs. They're taking advantage of people who don't know better. tsk tsk.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,431
They'll ditch cables altogether before they ditch lightning, this is purely to keep parity with the all usb-C macbooks.

It is surprising that they didn't make the move last year as I'd assume connecting your phone to your computer using usb-A is far less common than it used to be, whereas getting a fast charging usb-C setup is a generally greater benefit to consumers.
 
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dem

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
900
They will never ditch lightning...

And they shouldn't.. still the best connector. Way ahead of its time.
 

Aurongel

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
7,065
USB to Lightning then, right? Why is this news? This maintains parity with their newer MacBooks.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,994
lightning is still slightly smaller. I wouldn't be surprised if it also gives them more control like locking the port against law enforcement (I could be wrong on this).. honestly Lightning is so ubiquitous at this point I think the most vocal critics are non-phone users. as an iPhone user... and most people I know agree with this... there's never a problem locating a lightning connector. Usually carpooling and such it's the USB folks that are the first to be left out (if the car adapter in the car we're in is a fixed lightning cable and not just a USB port)
I'm an iPhone user, but it would be fantastic if I just had one cable for all my devices. My MacBook and Switch are already there, it's just my iPhone and iPad...
 
Nov 1, 2017
3,070
They will never ditch lightning...

And they shouldn't.. still the best connector. Way ahead of its time.
Lol no. Other than being reversible, it is one of the most unnecessary cable protocols to exist. They are so prone to failing to work for no apparent reason, I've lost count how many times I've had to replace them. Heck, my mother's lightning cable literally stopped working yesterday, and she's someone who barely touches her electronics out of fear of breaking them.

The fact that USB-C exists and they even USE it in their other devices, Apple not supporting USB-C in their 2018 iOS devices is frankly ridiculous.

I was an Apple advocate for about a decade there, but they've made so many bone-headed decisions lately (with exception to their stances on privacy), it's hard to support Apple as a techie these days. Sticking with lightning can go on the list of mistakes I'll happily leave behind.
 
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Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,982
Are you saying Lightning is a "universal format"? Lol.
Of course not. I'm talking about the current USB charger.

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uzipukki

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,722
I can't understand why they didn't include this with the iPhone 8 and X. If you wanted fast charging you had to dish out for a 3rd party USB-C wall charger or pony up the absurdly high price for the Apple mac charger to get it.
 
Nov 1, 2017
3,070
Both really. USB C is better tech but it also breaks the universal format thats been around for ages.
??? Lightning is the exact opposite of universal: It is a ridiculous protocol that is exclusive to Apple for no reason other than for Apple to charge you ridiculous licensing costs for the same as what is effectively a reversible USB 2.0 cable.

USB-C has been built to be robust and applicable as a "universal" connection. It's reversible, able to transfer large amounts of data and display signal, able to QuickCharge, and is able to supply large amounts of power (even charging laptops!). Apple's mobile products are the biggest holdout on the new format. This is doubly absurd when their MacBooks ONLY support the new USB-C format!
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,982
??? Lightning is the exact opposite of universal: It is a ridiculous protocol that is exclusive to Apple for no reason other than for Apple to charge you ridiculous licensing costs for the same as what is effectively a reversible USB 2.0 cable.

USB-C has been built to be robust and applicable as a "universal" connection. It's reversible, able to transfer large amounts of data and display signal, able to QuickCharge and supply large amounts of power. Apple's mobile products are the biggest holdout on the new format. This is doubly absurd when their MacBooks ONLY support the new USB-C format!
See my post above.
 

Shoes

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,586
Most likely. Faster charging speeds

I have a fast USB-C charger and it takes my iPhone from low percent to like 50% in the blink of an eye.
Which charger/cord? I bought random ones on amazon when the iPhone 8 came out and hardly notice a difference, I've been meaning to replace them.
 

badcrumble

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,732
The A12 chips in the 2018 iPhones is also seeing a process node die shrink from 10nm FinFET to 7nm FinFET and only seeing fairly marginal speed increases if benchmarks appearing on the web are correct - in which case this could be the year Apple goes whole hog on fast charging and vastly improved battery life. Would be nice to see them make that jump (though FaceID speed will naturally improve with leaps and bounds as processing power gets better, and that'd be nice).
 

maximumzero

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,927
New Orleans, LA
Folks bitch that the Macbook Pro doesn't have USB-A ports, and folks will now bitch that the iPhone can't connect to USB-A ports and charger.

And the bitching goes round and round.
 

ayo moose

Member
Oct 31, 2017
51
hmm... use the connector that's been around for 6 years giving it a more modern back end connection (also allowing the included cable to be used with their most recent computers).. or switch both connectors on the charging cable instead.... not sure how THEY are the one that makes no sense in this conversation.
i wanna live in a world where i can charge my iphone and macbook with the same cable
 

maximumzero

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,927
New Orleans, LA
I really hope it helps data transfer speeds as well. My iTunes library took something like six to eight hours to transfer the other night after I downgraded back to iOS 11 from iOS 12. That shit used to be like an hour with firewire.
 

Deleted member 8860

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Oct 26, 2017
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Folks bitch that the Macbook Pro doesn't have USB-A ports, and folks will now bitch that the iPhone can't connect to USB-A ports and charger.

And the bitching goes round and round.

I doubt many people will complain that there's a lightning-to-USB-C cable in the box instead of a lightning-to-USB-A cable.

USB-C has been built to be robust and applicable as a "universal" connection. It's reversible, able to transfer large amounts of data and display signal, able to QuickCharge, and is able to supply large amounts of power (even charging laptops!). Apple's mobile products are the biggest holdout on the new format. This is doubly absurd when their MacBooks ONLY support the new USB-C format!

USB-C is still a mess for compatibility in 2018 (take a look at 3.5mm audio dongles or video over USB 3.x/C... heck, there are still cables on Amazon that will burn out your devices). Meanwhile, Lightning's been working great since 2012 and has a huge ecosystem along with backwards compatibility with the iPod 30-pin adapter.

At some point, it may make sense to switch over, but we've certainly not passed that point yet.
 

metsallica

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,718
Awesome. Been living this life since iPhone X launch; it's a revelation. Pricey to start but fast charge brings the goods.
 

Mortemis

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,416
Folks bitch that the Macbook Pro doesn't have USB-A ports, and folks will now bitch that the iPhone can't connect to USB-A ports and charger.

And the bitching goes round and round.

why would it not be able to do that? I doubt apple will lock out older USB-A to lightning chargers from charging the new iphones. the X and 8 can be charged by both usb-c and a.

they'd just not get one in the box.
 

Rodney McKay

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,205
The A12 chips in the 2018 iPhones is also seeing a process node die shrink from 10nm FinFET to 7nm FinFET and only seeing fairly marginal speed increases if benchmarks appearing on the web are correct - in which case this could be the year Apple goes whole hog on fast charging and vastly improved battery life. Would be nice to see them make that jump (though FaceID speed will naturally improve with leaps and bounds as processing power gets better, and that'd be nice).
Finger crossed that this is the case.

I'm planning on getting an iPhone this year, but battery life is definitely something I'll be keeping my eye on (I'll probably be getting the X2 Plus since the larger sizes usually have better battery).

I do genuinely hope they have more battery efficient processors, they could stand to not worry about boosting performance so much for a year or two honestly, the 8 and X are already pretty crazy for phones, I don't even know if any games max them out yet.
 

badcrumble

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,732
Finger crossed that this is the case.

I'm planning on getting an iPhone this year, but battery life is definitely something I'll be keeping my eye on (I'll probably be getting the X2 Plus since the larger sizes usually have better battery).

I do genuinely hope they have more battery efficient processors, they could stand to not worry about boosting performance so much for a year or two honestly, the 8 and X are already pretty crazy for phones, I don't even know if any games max them out yet.
Also if we're getting iPad Pro updates roughly in tandem with the 2018 iPhones, I wouldn't be surprised to see the A12 and A12X debut at the same time, for what it's worth.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,801
New York City
I have a charger block with USB C on the end that I bought for my Switch and my phone.

I carry it and a USB C to USB C cable in my bag and I love it, except... well, buses, taxis, and even random street kiosks in New York are increasingly getting USB A ports. So whenever I see a USB port I'm like, "Wow cool I can charge my phone in the middle of nowhere! Oh, wait, I have a USB C to USB C cable... Ugh!"

Maybe I should get an A to C adapter... Or hope that USB C ports appear in more places after charger blocks start adapting USB C...
 

Xe4

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,295
USB C is superior to A in every way so I'm glad they're switching. But we all know they won't drop Lightning, which is silly as hell.
 

Cation

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
3,603
Yeh this is just gonna be Lightning to USB C lol. Which is good, but not groundbreaking nice.

I'm so tired of having Lightning cables die on me. I deal with it all the time. Such a shitty design cause it requires some of the fine prongs to enable a stable charge. Dirt/dust cause issues all the time. And yes, I worked at Apple as a tech specialist and dealt with these issues on a daily basis
 

bmdubya

Member
Nov 1, 2017
6,502
Colorado
Just out of curiosity, what phone are you using now? Why do you want to switch over? I was iOS -> Android -> iOS and won't look back now. Really pleased with my 5S, 7 Plus, and now X (but wish there was a X Plus).
Google Pixel. I had a iPhone 5S, cracked the screen right around the Pixel got announced, so I pre-ordered one. Had issues since I got the phone in the mail. Issues like phone calls not working even though I had plenty of service, and missing texts in group texts. As of late, performance has declined greatly. A few weeks ago my phone just locked up and did an auto-reboot when I tried to open Accuweather. I mainly miss iMessage though. 90% of my family and friends use iPhones, and I can't use group texting with my siblings anymore because I don't receive texts from my brother in the conversation. It's so frustrating.
 

SwampBastard

The Fallen
Nov 1, 2017
11,040
USB C is superior to A in every way so I'm glad they're switching. But we all know they won't drop Lightning, which is silly as hell.
Apple gets something like $4 in royalties for every device and accessory with a Lightning connector. With as much as they try to wring out of their customers, I can't see them abandoning that revenue stream anytime soon.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,039
Google Pixel. I had a iPhone 5S, cracked the screen right around the Pixel got announced, so I pre-ordered one. Had issues since I got the phone in the mail. Issues like phone calls not working even though I had plenty of service, and missing texts in group texts. As of late, performance has declined greatly. A few weeks ago my phone just locked up and did an auto-reboot when I tried to open Accuweather. I mainly miss iMessage though. 90% of my family and friends use iPhones, and I can't use group texting with my siblings anymore because I don't receive texts from my brother in the conversation. It's so frustrating.

Curiously, is your brother using a very old version of iOS? Same happened with my sister, who is a bit of a technological luddite, never updates anything, declines every update, and fills her phone up with junk so she can't update anymore because she doesn't have storage space. So, while Apple fixed the old bug of iMessages going into the ether and never being delivered, if someone has an old iPhone with an old version of iOS on it (2+ years old IIRC), then the bug was never fixed. So even though iMessage has de-registered your number from it, your brother's phone can't accept that de-registration because his software is old.

Same happened with one of my sister's sending me texts. Of course, explaining to her that she's sending me text messages but Apple is not delivering them because her phone still thinks that I have iMessage was a lost cause. "I can send everybody else texts except for you because you don't have an iphone anymore." Eventually, she got a new phone with a (newer) iOS and, like magic, it worked again. BUt, of course, now she's still on an ancient version of iOS.
 

Xe4

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,295
Apple gets something like $4 in royalties for every device and accessory with a Lightning connector. With as much as they try to wring out of their customers, I can't see them abandoning that revenue stream anytime soon.
Yeah, and it's one of the reasons I'm never buying an iPhone. If they'd rather wring cash from me than go with the superior standard everyone is moving towards I'm not interested in their product.
 

bmdubya

Member
Nov 1, 2017
6,502
Colorado
Curiously, is your brother using a very old version of iOS? Same happened with my sister, who is a bit of a technological luddite, never updates anything, declines every update, and fills her phone up with junk so she can't update anymore because she doesn't have storage space. So, while Apple fixed the old bug of iMessages going into the ether and never being delivered, if someone has an old iPhone with an old version of iOS on it (2+ years old IIRC), then the bug was never fixed. So even though iMessage has de-registered your number from it, your brother's phone can't accept that de-registration because his software is old.

Same happened with one of my sister's sending me texts. Of course, explaining to her that she's sending me text messages but Apple is not delivering them because her phone still thinks that I have iMessage was a lost cause. "I can send everybody else texts except for you because you don't have an iphone anymore." Eventually, she got a new phone with a (newer) iOS and, like magic, it worked again. BUt, of course, now she's still on an ancient version of iOS.
No, my brother stays up to date with his iPhone. And I can text him just fine outside of this one group text that is just me and my siblings. I get texts from him in all the other group texts we are in, and I can text him individually. It's just this one group text we have with my siblings only. And he gets texts from me in that group text, I just never see his.

I also didn't run into this issue with my dad, who was using a very outdated version of iOS on his iPhone 5S. He recently upgraded to a 7 or something like that, and is on the current iOS build. But previously I didn't have issues texting him, and I think he was on iOS 8 or 9.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
39,039
No, my brother stays up to date with his iPhone. And I can text him just fine outside of this one group text that is just me and my siblings. I get texts from him in all the other group texts we are in, and I can text him individually. It's just this one group text we have with my siblings only. And he gets texts from me in that group text, I just never see his.

I also didn't run into this issue with my dad, who was using a very outdated version of iOS on his iPhone 5S. He recently upgraded to a 7 or something like that, and is on the current iOS build. But previously I didn't have issues texting him, and I think he was on iOS 8 or 9.

Man that's so weird and frustrating. IT's also such a difficult problem to reproduce and/or google to figure out.