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Rumor: Riddler, Catwoman, Firefly, and the Penguin will be the villains for "The Batman." [EDIT: Two-Face and Mad Hatter may be in]
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The Winter Soldier was clearly a bad movie by having 4 villians (Batroc, Alexander Pierce, Winter Soldier, Crossbones)
Right.
Although the comparison isn't 1:1, you can look at something like Captain American Winter Solider, which had four villains (Winter Soilder, Zola, Crossbones, Pierce), and see how to still make an intimate conflict that isn't overstuffed.
He's actually pretty close to the age for it, especially if you have Dick starting as Robin at 12 instead of younger. Bruce fosters Dick pretty early in his life, in his late-twenties at most.
It'll never happen but i'd be so down for P.I. good-guy Riddler.
An old Hollywood-style crime thriller starring Dawyn Cooke's Catwoman needs to be in production.
An old Hollywood-style crime thriller starring Dawyn Cooke's Catwoman needs to be in production.
For whatever reason, DCAU Batman always reads older to me. Maybe it's Conroy's voice.
I guess if ths is true maybe Rami Malak as Riddler, like an evil version of his Mr Robot character since he's popular at the moment. Andy Serkis as cockney Penguin, or someone creepy and dark haired like Javier Bardem. For Catwoman, Felicity Jones would be an obvious choice but they might go more left field like Jodie Comer. Probably very wrong.
so they are gonna spider man 3 it
good good, then i won't have to watch vampire boy as bruce wayne for too long
good good, then i won't have to watch vampire boy as bruce wayne for too long
People scared by this don't seem to grasp how Gotham's criminal underworld is like an ecosystem of its own, with factions constantly pushing and pulling at one another. Just because these characters might be in it doesn't mean they all bare the same importance. Selina's relationship to Batman is entirely different to Firefly. You think Firefly is gonna warrant some important character arc? He's a cartoonish pyromaniac with a jetpack who is there to get punched.
The casting call listing any ethnicity for the roles makes me feel like they might pick some unconventional choices, at least for one of the roles. Might get something like Gugu Mbatha Raw or Janelle Monae for Catwoman. I remember reading they were being considered for Birds of Prey.
Catwoman will likely turn Ally early on and Penguin could be a side charcter.
Seems like people are conflating Villains with Primary antagonist. Batman Begins has multiple villains in it and that seemed to work.
This won't be any different. Firefly seems like a villain Batman foils in the first 10 minutes of the movie. At least I hope so.
This won't be any different. Firefly seems like a villain Batman foils in the first 10 minutes of the movie. At least I hope so.
Penguin will just be the Mobster stand in the first film of these movies have (like Falcone). Probably recurring role through trilogy. Riddler main villain.
Catwoman and Firefly are working for one or the other. Act as "muscle" since the other two aren't known for fighting. Catwoman gets redemption arc, Firefly a roadblock onto the way to his boss like Shocker from Far From Home without much development.
Catwoman and Firefly are working for one or the other. Act as "muscle" since the other two aren't known for fighting. Catwoman gets redemption arc, Firefly a roadblock onto the way to his boss like Shocker from Far From Home without much development.
I'm gonna assume people complaining about multiple villains have never actually read a Batman comic. If it's anything like the Long Halloween (one of Reeves favorite stories) this isn't going to be an issue.
Cool. I want it to be like the new Spider-Man and have them give shine to some of the villains we haven't seen in the most recent films. Shouldn't be joker, twoface and the usual suspects all the time. No doubt Catwoman will be an antihero.
If true, then in all likelihood:
Firefly will be a glorified henchman, or a five-minute thing where Batman takes him down in the first act.
Catwoman will be an anti-hero or will turn before the climax.
So, really there are only going to be two villains, and one of them could easily be a supporting villain--like Batman interrogates Penguin for information on Riddler, or Riddler is manipulating Penguin for his resources.
Firefly will be a glorified henchman, or a five-minute thing where Batman takes him down in the first act.
Catwoman will be an anti-hero or will turn before the climax.
So, really there are only going to be two villains, and one of them could easily be a supporting villain--like Batman interrogates Penguin for information on Riddler, or Riddler is manipulating Penguin for his resources.
Honestly, i think Nicholas Hoult would work as the Riddler, they would likely go with a younger actor to match Bruce - as much as i would love to see David Tennant as The Riddler i have my doubts it will happen
They just brought back Selilna being (half) Latina in the comics, so it'd be neat if they did that.
I don't like this mindset that comic book movies seem to have instilled that each movie needs to be about one or at max two villains.
My favorite part about Batman is the number of villains in Gotham, and Batman's familiarity with them. Not every villain needs to be "the big bad", with a full origin story and the whole movie focusing on them. It'd be cool to see Bats on patrol encountering some name villains, or do something cool like throw a monkeywrench in someone's plans later in the movie by having another villain's plans overlap and suddenly have them be in the movie.
I think Batman and his villains are known enough that we don't need an origin story or to spend a lot of time focusing on explaining who they are. Riddler, Penguin, and Catwoman are household names, and Firefly is pretty self-explanatory.
My favorite part about Batman is the number of villains in Gotham, and Batman's familiarity with them. Not every villain needs to be "the big bad", with a full origin story and the whole movie focusing on them. It'd be cool to see Bats on patrol encountering some name villains, or do something cool like throw a monkeywrench in someone's plans later in the movie by having another villain's plans overlap and suddenly have them be in the movie.
I think Batman and his villains are known enough that we don't need an origin story or to spend a lot of time focusing on explaining who they are. Riddler, Penguin, and Catwoman are household names, and Firefly is pretty self-explanatory.
Yup. There is no need to cram origin stories for any of these characters into the movie. I think this approach would've worked better with Affleck though. An older Batman would already be familiar with all of these guys.
Oh so we're just saving time and jumping straight to the Spider-Man 3 bullshit.
Looking forward to Andrew Garfield as Bruce Wayne.
Looking forward to Andrew Garfield as Bruce Wayne.
Supposedly detective Batman is exactly the idea. Believe the director has even said as much. I am sure there will be a main villain, with the others being window dressing. I mean, we all fucking love the Long Halloween. It is a great detective story, and is filled with the rogues gallery. It can be done.
What's stopping it from being a detective story? Like half of those villains do their own thing. With catwoman and penguin more likely of the 4 to help batman in their own way. Would love to see club owner penguin.
Yeah how are they ever going to craft a detective story around a cat burglar, a mob boss, and a guy who trades in riddles.
That's exactly what Reeves has said he's doing since he's been on the project. I don't see how having multiple villains makes that impossible to do.
Spider-Man Homecoming had:
2 Shockers
Vulture
The Tinkerer
Scorpion
And Kind of the Prowler
Depending on what their roles are in the movie, there's no issue with this many villains appearing.
The Dark Knight had Scarecrow, Two Face and Joker. What a shit film.
For the issues that the Gotham show had, their depiction of Firefly was not one of them. She was fuckin awesome.
Don't care about Catwoman and Penguin, but hell yes to Firefly! Would much rather have Firefly and Firebug together but I'm happy Firefly is in.
Absolutely.
The episode where
Riddler kills his coworker