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Rumor: Riddler, Catwoman, Firefly, and the Penguin will be the villains for "The Batman." [EDIT: Two-Face and Mad Hatter may be in]
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We dont need an origin, we dont need to see his parents murdered over and over and over, just start the damn movie
Im totally fine with all of this as long as there are no origins at all.
I want a lived in Gotham where the Riddler is back and Batman and Penguin and Catwoman are all already established and have dealt with each other before.
Don't waste a minute of this film with any origins. Just jump in.
I want a lived in Gotham where the Riddler is back and Batman and Penguin and Catwoman are all already established and have dealt with each other before.
Don't waste a minute of this film with any origins. Just jump in.
Not really, and personally I'm thinking she'll be more of an anti-hero in the film anyway.
Nah, not necessarily. It's all about the execution.
For instance, as ManaByte and I were discussing earlier, Harvey might not even be Two Face yet in the film and it's just a basic casting general line or something and Catwoman is almost definitely going to be an anti-hero/the female lead of the film. So that alone reduces the Rogues Gallery down to closer to four baddies...
And then consider that Firefly and Mad Hatter will probably amount to just glorified cameos more than anything else. They're not main villain material for a film at this point, so they're going to be underlings under the Riddler and/or Penguin or suspects Batman runs into along the way for clues.
And suddenly we're down to one or two main villains with the Riddler and Penguin. It all comes down to the structuring.
Getting a proper build-up of Bruce and Dent's relationship before the inevitable tragedy would be great.
Part of me really wants Reeves to save that for the third film in his trilogy. It'd be heart-wrenching as fans go into the theater for the second and third films knowing that Harvey's going to fall apart at some point, but possibly not being quite sure when.
Shazam was the only decent super hero movie released this year so I am optimistic that they will get out of Reeves way. He is probably the best director to helm a comic book movie yet.
Endgame came out 2 months ago, Captain Marvel 3 months ago. Far From Home is coming out soon. MCU has the quality superhero film game on lock atm.
Both were garbage imo. Especially captain marvel. I fail to see how Captain Marvel is a good movie or some riveting masterpiece that cannot be topped by a DC film
You know how in detective movies or crime thrillers, the investigators often will talk with/meet/interrogate people they're familiar with or who have notoriety in the story's setting? Replace those thriller archetypes with Batman rogues
Exactly. If anything, the complaints are going to wind up being that Reeves didn't develop enough of the villains or that he focused on familiar faces too much versus the lower-tier baddies.
Can you imagine if one of the sequels is even loosely related to Arkham City and we get Andy Serkis as Dr. Hugo Strange as the main villain for that film?
This ain't no place for no hero...
agreed with this and the other post that Rogue Gallery may not be 4 but less then 4 depending on whether the characters are rogues already or developing in that direction through the movie series. I hope they'll take your approach. the more we are invested the more some falls for grace will be devastating.
Spiderman 3 tried to make each of those a main antagonist.Here we gooooo...
+1 more!
Movies like Winter Soldier and Batman Begins have shown how you can concise stories with multiple villains. Batman Begins had Ra's, Scarecrow, and Falcone, with a Zsasz cameo; Winter Soldier had Bucky, Hydra/Pierce, and Crossbones.
I have a lot of faith in Reeves and his vision. He's said from the beginning this was going to be more of a noir detective story and the rogues were going to be involved. I'm expecting a lot of Batman going around Gotham interrogating some of his villains to get down to the bottom of whatever mystery he has to solve.
You're right, I wasn't thinking right. Totally forgot Nolan had additional villains alongside the main big bad.
Sounds good, always wanted noir detective bats on the big screen. More cerebral and less action set pieces.
It ultimately depends on how they're being used. For example, if all the major villains are pooling their resources to take out the Bat. They did that in the '66 movie and a serious take on that could be really interesting. Similarly, someone could be taking all these major villains out and Bats needs to figure out who it is, like Mask of the Phantasm.
People who are worried about multiple villains have probably only consumed the live action Batman films and nothing else. That's not me shitting on casuals btw. It's just that the movies have never presented a lived in Gotham before (for instance, the only villain that carried over from one movie to the next was Scarecrow and those were basically cameos).
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Yeah pretty much. If it is a detective story he probably visit and meets with these characters in Arkham and people like firefly are intro one offs or lackeys
Also knee-jerk Spiderman 3 and Schumacher fears, as if the mere concept of multiple villains was the reason those movies were bad and not the execution of that concept
Nah, if anything it sounds like this film will be a bit closer to The Long Halloween. But yeah, we're in for something grand with this trilogy if Reeves keeps up with the scale of the Rogues Gallery in each of his films.
Maybe he'll save Joker for the last film and we finally get a loose adaptation of A Serious House on Serious Earth as the trilogy's conclusion?
Exactly what I thought, literally sounds like the story line from Batman:Arkham Origins.
Yep, it's not like Mad Hatter or Firefly will ever be vying against Penguin or Riddler for the "main antagonist" spot. Chances are they'll amount to glorified cameos via Batman looking at potential suspects for the central narrative crime and action set pieces to help energize the film as the case progresses.
I more and more feeling like this will be an adaptation of The Long Halloween. Crossing my fingers that Robin is present.
Rumor: Andy Serkis might be in talks to join the film
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Batman on Film reports that the studio is talking to Andy Serkis about taking a NON-MOCAP role in the film. Nothing official, just a rumor.
Considering how early in the process it is, seems like Serkis might be the lead baddie.
Considering how early in the process it is, seems like Serkis might be the lead baddie.
To piggy back on this, even since I watched Logan, I've always thought that the next big step for Batman movie stars would be a portrayal of a realistic Robin, ala how folks were amazed by watching Laura/x23 kick ass and take names.