Who knows? He did mention other visual options like 3d clouds movement. With that said, the best we can do is wait until they actually confirm the specifics.
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RUMOR: Sonic Frontiers' platform specs; Switch 720p30, PS5 4K30/1080p60, PS4 1080p30
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tbh it's probably best to wait for tech coverage from the likes of DF before taking this tweet as gospel. i feel like we've had several instances of inaccurate/ incomplete resolution and framerate mode values thrown about prior to big releases.
I've played 1080p games on PS5 and had no issues. Granted, many supported 120fps but I never had a problem with the resolution while playing
Deff kinda fishy that they couldn't do like 1440p or 1584p but I don't see it being unplayable or looking bad by any stretch
Deff kinda fishy that they couldn't do like 1440p or 1584p but I don't see it being unplayable or looking bad by any stretch
Sure, and I'm definitely not 100% confident that this will wind up being the lay of the land when it launches, but we are talking about Sonic Team here. I don't doubt that they'd launch this with a suboptimal performance profile. They haven't been delivering much in the way of visually impressive and simultaneously performant games since… well, Unleashed? And hell, Unleashed was 30 FPS.
That's honestly more unbelievable to me than the 720p, 60 FPS claim. Forces, a linear platformer, ran at 720p, 30 FPS with noticeable drops in spots. I can't imagine this somehow performing better and with such a significantly larger scale unless they're opting for an unlocked framerate which would be its own issue.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGRwCrOjYBs
Apparently, according to this video, the game runs at 60fps on Switch?
But besides that, I'm wondering how the PS5 is locked at either 4K/30 or 1080p/60, when the Series X will apparently be able to do 4K/60 with Frontiers? Best to take this rumor as just that: a rumor, and wait for actual substantiated information and performance results to come out not long after the game does. If the game does indeed have RT, then that could explain the 1080p rumor for PS5, but again, it's best to simply wait for official information to come out for things like this.
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Everyone's just sourcing that Famicast video. The guy only thought it was 60fps for god knows what reason.
People are going to hold on to Switch being potentially 60fps until they get crushed when it launches. I don't see any real reason to believe this would be 60fps? It's an open world 3rd party game.
I still don't understand why Sega is intent on releasing Frontiers on Everything Everywhere All At OnceTM this holiday season. (For those keeping the score at home: PC, PS5, PS4, XSX, XBO, NSW. Six platforms, three varying power levels.) Just feels like an unforced error they aren't prioritizing certain platforms first, and then bringing the game to other platforms later. So with that in mind, the platform specs listed here do not surprise me for being lesser than what people would want and expect for the new hardware generation.
I'm really curious to see how the Switch version fares, as outside of Mania (which was handled by Tantalus), all Switch versions of multiplatform Sonic releases have been pretty lousy compared to other versions. In particular, the initial Switch release of Colors Ultimate was a unique level of trash of what was already a lackluster remaster.
I'm really curious to see how the Switch version fares, as outside of Mania (which was handled by Tantalus), all Switch versions of multiplatform Sonic releases have been pretty lousy compared to other versions. In particular, the initial Switch release of Colors Ultimate was a unique level of trash of what was already a lackluster remaster.
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I mean they don't really have a choice. They've got to release on Switch because that's where most sales will come from. Since, the game is multiplatform, they want it on Ps5 and XsX. However if a game is on Switch and current gen, there's no good reason for it to skip last gen so of course it's on there too. And then, in this day and age, what game skips day and date Pc release. With that said, I would've preferred they delay it so all versions could be as polished as possible.
That channel looks like clickbait garbage preying on desperate fans. Considering Sonic Team had to use 30fps for Origin's 3D menus it would be a miracle if they hit 60 for Frontiers.
30 FPS Sonic should never, ever, ever be a thing.
Generations was terrible on console because of this.
Generations was terrible on console because of this.
Because then you have to market the game twice, and if the game is poorly received then any hype at all will be fizzled by the time it goes to other platforms. Most sales come from the pre-order and launch period after all.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
This sounds more like Hopeium than anything.
I doubt they would create a whole bunch of unique special effects for PS5 and not Xbox.
Instead of 1440p or dynamic res, they chose to go with 1080p.
I refuse to believe PS5 would struggle to run this game at 60 fps at higher resolutions. Either they went with the easiest option or the game is rather unoptimized on current gen.
I refuse to believe PS5 would struggle to run this game at 60 fps at higher resolutions. Either they went with the easiest option or the game is rather unoptimized on current gen.
I'd hold your horses for the time being. If the PC version suffers from stuttergate then it won't matter what resolution it is, it will be a horrible way to experience a Sonic game.
I'll take 1080p and a locked 60fps for a Sonic game over a stuttering 4k version any day. John from DF is clearly a big Sonic fan, so I'm confident we'll get good coverage of it close to launch. I think everyone is better off waiting for that before choosing their version especially if you're considering the Switch or PC version.
Showing 720p/30 for both docked and handheld play is a huge red flag, there's a huge performance delta between the 2 modes so that means that either:
The claim is a straight up lie.
The (already paired back visuals) will be dramatically cut down in handheld mode.
Performance will be a disaster in handheld mode.
Handheld mode always has to come with cut backs, and resolution is usually the right choice, so skipping that doesn't fill me with confidence.
Damn, first time hearing of this game. Looks amazing. And 30fps in a fast paced game like this could be annoying.
They should have hired Dimps for a separate Switch game and made the game only on Xbox /PlayStation themselves imo.
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I would honestly be (positively) surprised if the Switch can actually hold 720p locked but yeah these all read a bit off o.o At this point I hope that on PC the game will have a unlocked framerate and not be locked to 60fps.
Game dev is too costly and the returns probably wouldn't be worth it
The PS5 figure is a tad strange but not out the ordinary, I suspect that the power gap between the Xbox Series and PS5 will continue to widen as we get more games that are developed for net generation console hardware. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the X version of the game is 4k 60fps.
But we also need to be reminded that Sonic Team has a terrible track record for optimization going all the way back to Sonic Heroes released in 2003, which is also coincidentally the best selling Sonic game in the last 19 years. Any time a Sonic Team major Sonic release seems to be technically competent it's usually because they compromised somewhere. For Forces there were many rail segments where you don't have much control of the player, and it went hard on automation and cool visual set-pieces which taxed the engine so you ended up with several small levels, the shortest levels in any Sonic game.
Here, the game doesn't look like much, passable but not mind blowing graphics, many empty patches between enemy encounters in the "open-zone" lots of resued assets and repeating animations, and the cyber stages from what we've seen so far outside of the tutorial stage which was lifted from Sonic Unleashed with a new coat of paint, also look like they are derived from Forces level design. We have also seen automation in the open zone from puzzle solving to exploration, that tall monument comes to mind.
With this, it would seem odd for the PS5 to be 1080p in order to reach 60 frames, however if the engine is unoptimized you'd likely have to have a lot more raw power to cut through its short comings and in this situation I can see the PS5 falling short on dealing with that.
About the game, I'm still concerned about several of its gameplay mechanics, the cyber stages and their lack o branching and automation, and the combat. They have still refused to give us longer videos breaking down these things less than 2 months till launch and so far we've been shown selective gameplay that tries to mask the issues from the IGN videos that haven't ever been fixed or addressed in any build shown or leaked.
Is this combat going to be good? is it filled with useless moves that are only there to pad-out the moveset? Are the enemies damage spongers, am I gong to be repeating the same moves over and over because it's the best way to fight off enemies and bosses? Are they going to do anything to make all that empty space seem full? Are enemies going to be scattered unto a giant empty space? How much of these hubs or cyber stages will be automated? Why did they add Big the Cat fishing to the game knowing full well it was not favored in SA1? Are the puzzles in the open zones going to be interesting with new ways to approach them and not feel like busywork, or will they end up as has been shown so far, slow, Sonic Boom tier, bland puzzles just to fill up game time?
More importantly the grinding, we need to know what's going on with that. How much time do you need to become stronger and to progress the game? How much time do you have to grind and/or collect things in order to move forward or effectively deal with bosses and get access to the cyberstages? This is going to be a long game with over 20 hours of playtime, but if that 20 hours is due to slow puzzles, grinding, and collecting that doesn't sound like a good time.
These questions have never changed, and Sega has not bother to address them. You then have to consider that if a lot of this isn't fixed or is worse than they seem, worst versions of the game will makes these things even worse, the switch for example.
But we also need to be reminded that Sonic Team has a terrible track record for optimization going all the way back to Sonic Heroes released in 2003, which is also coincidentally the best selling Sonic game in the last 19 years. Any time a Sonic Team major Sonic release seems to be technically competent it's usually because they compromised somewhere. For Forces there were many rail segments where you don't have much control of the player, and it went hard on automation and cool visual set-pieces which taxed the engine so you ended up with several small levels, the shortest levels in any Sonic game.
Here, the game doesn't look like much, passable but not mind blowing graphics, many empty patches between enemy encounters in the "open-zone" lots of resued assets and repeating animations, and the cyber stages from what we've seen so far outside of the tutorial stage which was lifted from Sonic Unleashed with a new coat of paint, also look like they are derived from Forces level design. We have also seen automation in the open zone from puzzle solving to exploration, that tall monument comes to mind.
With this, it would seem odd for the PS5 to be 1080p in order to reach 60 frames, however if the engine is unoptimized you'd likely have to have a lot more raw power to cut through its short comings and in this situation I can see the PS5 falling short on dealing with that.
About the game, I'm still concerned about several of its gameplay mechanics, the cyber stages and their lack o branching and automation, and the combat. They have still refused to give us longer videos breaking down these things less than 2 months till launch and so far we've been shown selective gameplay that tries to mask the issues from the IGN videos that haven't ever been fixed or addressed in any build shown or leaked.
Is this combat going to be good? is it filled with useless moves that are only there to pad-out the moveset? Are the enemies damage spongers, am I gong to be repeating the same moves over and over because it's the best way to fight off enemies and bosses? Are they going to do anything to make all that empty space seem full? Are enemies going to be scattered unto a giant empty space? How much of these hubs or cyber stages will be automated? Why did they add Big the Cat fishing to the game knowing full well it was not favored in SA1? Are the puzzles in the open zones going to be interesting with new ways to approach them and not feel like busywork, or will they end up as has been shown so far, slow, Sonic Boom tier, bland puzzles just to fill up game time?
More importantly the grinding, we need to know what's going on with that. How much time do you need to become stronger and to progress the game? How much time do you have to grind and/or collect things in order to move forward or effectively deal with bosses and get access to the cyberstages? This is going to be a long game with over 20 hours of playtime, but if that 20 hours is due to slow puzzles, grinding, and collecting that doesn't sound like a good time.
These questions have never changed, and Sega has not bother to address them. You then have to consider that if a lot of this isn't fixed or is worse than they seem, worst versions of the game will makes these things even worse, the switch for example.
I don't have time to provide answers to your questions atm but several of your points have answers.
Yep. The most you can get out of this is that it'll (probably) have Quality and Performance modes.
The cyberspace stages seems like the weakest link in this game, the stages look so fucking basic. Generations and Colors had better stages, specially Generations, with multiple branches to go, kinda like the level design of the older games. It's the reason I enjoyed replaying them...
In Frontiers, they look as bad as Forces. They look terrible and I'm hoping it is because they're from the first island.
In Frontiers, they look as bad as Forces. They look terrible and I'm hoping it is because they're from the first island.
