次世代コンソールゲーム機 「プレイステーション 5」に名称決定 2020年年末商戦期に発売
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント（SIE）は、次世代コンソールゲーム機の名称を「プレイステーション 5」（PS5）に決定し、2020年の年末商戦期に発売することをお知らせいたします。
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(Rumor) WindowsCentral: Xbox Series X Specs
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Keep in mind that "OS" space will also include the reserve for things like suspending multiple games at once.
like 20% it looks like. Maybe more if it's rdna+/2 and not rdna 1.0
Good analogy re: cartridge model.
Enthusiasm for free stuff ("Next gen $399 for better than a 2080ti and a bucket of chicken!!!!") got the best of us.
Totally agree. The lower priced model with 1080-60/1440/4k30 priced at $399 will sell 80% of the Xbox volume IMO.
Every previous console generation has been about a 10x increase in RAM on average.
It would be hilarious if PS5 and Xbox Series X end up literally being mirror images of each other spec wise
It will purely come down to who has the best games and online offerings/services
It will purely come down to who has the best games and online offerings/services
PS5 better have full PS4 backwards compatibility with no smoke and mirrors or extra fees at the very least
Was never gonna happen. 80 GB of ram would be prohibitively expensive unless you want $2k consoles
Nah, they should release both and let you duct tape them together.
Of course, but by that same metric, only going for 2x feels small.
It really wouldn't surprise me. However, Phil appears very confident when he said in interviews after TGA that they will always try to be the leader in power and performance, so hey, who knows.
not really. Ram requirements haven't increased that much and NVme ssd's means less data that must be in RAM
What could even be done with 128GB of RAM... I mean wouldn't that be overkill?
It reminds me of the 90s when everyone had like 16 or 24MB of RAM in their PC and wondered what you could do with 1GB. Lmao.
Huh? I haven't seen anything remotely like that rumoured. All that's been said there is faster than the pcie3 drives that were available when the first wired article hit.
it means you consider 80GB of GDDR6 RAM to be a reasonable next gen RAM amount. Interesting
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They aren't going to maintain multiple suspended games in ram at once. They will utilize the SSD to store that.
there's only one in that range that supports hw RT. It's the 2080 TI
Lol wth.. People really still believe that 24fps crap.
OT: Why is there no 1440p output.
what makes you say that? if the 5700xt is equivalent to a 2070 and its roughly 10 tflops then a 12 tflops gpu based on the same architecture would be equivalent to the rtx 2080, no?
2080 ti is a 16-17 tflops Turning GPU. assuming rdna 2.0 has caught up with turing tflops, we are still 5 short of a 2080 ti.
and no i am not using base or boost clocks, i have run many tests on my rtx 2080 and it almost never dips before 1.9 and stays at 1.95 ghz the entire time. that gets us to 17 turing tflops.
rtx 2080 or maybe 2080 super if rdna 2.0 is really that great is our best bet.
that's speculation and there's no rumor from a credible source.
Yeah honestly... given the SSD tech employed in both consoles will probably be very much the same I would be willing to predict that it will be the least important thing to have an advantage on. Like if MS for example has SSD tech that theoretically could load Spider Man in 0.4 seconds while PS5 does it in 0.8 seconds that's like... nothing anyone will notice or care about outside of YouTube comparison videos and systemwars fuckery on forums. It's gonna come down to who has the best CPU/GPU solution and features on the chipset to really let devs take advantage of every last drop of potential coming from XSX/PS5.
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Base 2080 TI is 11.5TF to 13TF no OC? What ever is in Wikipedia.
But if we're using the boost clock 2080TI in people's PC's, 12TF RDNA would still be a tier under.
'tis a beast.
What I am really surprised by:
1. CPU speed. I was not expecting anything above 3.2GHz given the power consumption according to the overclocking info for Ryzen as shared on the old next gen speculation thread increased sharply after around 3GHz.
2. GPU TF count. I was expecting 12TF GCN. For them to pull off 12TF RDNA shows gains from the second generation production/fab efficiency. IIRC, it was going to be around 5% extra performance for the same frequency and so this is a real surprise.
3. RAM allocation. Given MS is most likely not holding back with their premium model, it may very well indicate the upper bounds for RAM allocation and PS5 may also see the same fate.
What I am really surprised by:
1. CPU speed. I was not expecting anything above 3.2GHz given the power consumption according to the overclocking info for Ryzen as shared on the old next gen speculation thread increased sharply after around 3GHz.
2. GPU TF count. I was expecting 12TF GCN. For them to pull off 12TF RDNA shows gains from the second generation production/fab efficiency. IIRC, it was going to be around 5% extra performance for the same frequency and so this is a real surprise.
3. RAM allocation. Given MS is most likely not holding back with their premium model, it may very well indicate the upper bounds for RAM allocation and PS5 may also see the same fate.
evary PlayStation gen has been exactly 16x ram increase .ps1 2Mb; Ps2 32MB; PS3 512MB; PS4 8GB
but you have to consider the speed of the storage medium.
ps1/2 read directly from super slow optical media .But they only had relatively small memories. Still your need to reserve some ram for assets in the world that you couldn't guarantee to load quickly enough from the optical drive
ps3/4 read from much faster HDD but had more ram to fill. And the HDDs were still hundreds of times slower than ram so again you needed large reserves of ram for assets. Especially with ps3/4 expanding more into streaming tech that open world games use
with ps5 everything changes. A fast SSD can read data (and seek) so much quicker than HDD that you can reasonably shrink the ram cache a lot because you can bring in new assets in demand much more quickly.
you almost need to go back to the drawing board to calculate how much ram you need. Using profiling tools you can probably estimate quite well what figure would be efficient. Then it's a question of whether you can support that in your HW design and budget
devils advocate:
1) could it be no hyper threading to help hit higher clocks?
2) it says 12TF, and RDNA. Doesn't necessarily mean 12 RDNA TF. Although it probably does
If 13GB is only available to developers that's the ballgame isn't it?
I.e. what if PS5 has 12GB of RAM that is fully available to devs, plus 4GB of slower system RAM for the OS, and a faster SSD than XSX?
You're basically at the same amount of memory available (well, going from 12GB to 13GB on XSX is more, but probably not very noticable)
Of course, MS could always make more memory available with future updates after making numerous optimizations as time goes on, which is probably likely...
I.e. what if PS5 has 12GB of RAM that is fully available to devs, plus 4GB of slower system RAM for the OS, and a faster SSD than XSX?
You're basically at the same amount of memory available (well, going from 12GB to 13GB on XSX is more, but probably not very noticable)
Of course, MS could always make more memory available with future updates after making numerous optimizations as time goes on, which is probably likely...
Yep, if it really is 2080+ levels of graphics power coupled with this speedy CPU it's looking like $699 in late 2020.
1. I am unfamiliar with the concept of HT beyond the fact that Ryzen is said to have at least 2 independent threads per core. So 16 threads in total.
2. Not impossible but that would be quite the selective cherry picking.
if you had a significantly faster SSD (eg like reram), how effective would that be at giving devs the equivalent of a larger 'virtual' ram pool? I mean that's what the SSD is already doing - that 13GB will effectively be much higher due to how quickly you can swap things in and out
2019 and we're still trying to directly compare Nvidia and AMD FLOPs. Stop it, get some help.
Specs are about what we all expected tbh, just give it to me already.
Specs are about what we all expected tbh, just give it to me already.
Maybe it will help keep the MSRP <$500?
Ah, right.
The calculus for determining what a system can actually do today is mind-boggling. It used to be so much easier to see the writing on the wall (even last gen, but especially last decade); today it's like a puzzle trying to figure it all out.
They are using hilariously low base and boost clocks to get that 11.5-13.5 tflops. 1350 and 1540 mhz. if the rtx 2080 ti is anything my regular Non OC'ed RTX 2080, it regularly spends time in the 1.9-2.0 ghz range. if anything i distinctly remember seeing quite a few tests where the 2080 ti runs at over 2.0 ghz. thats a 17 tflops turing gpu.
thats why it gives almost 40-50% better performance than a rtx 2080. 2944 vs 4352 stream processors or 46 vs 68 CUs in AMD terms. its a massive difference.
i mean you dont believe that a 2070 is a 6.4 to 7.3 tflops gpu, do you? its actually much closer to 9 tflops if Nvidia was using actual game clocks.
Same goes for a 2080 which is 8.9-10 tflops. again, bs clocks that i was able to confirm myself. they have the boost clock set at 1.71 ghz when i have seen it go up to 2050 mhz. it regularly stays at 1.95 ghz whenever i play games. which gets us 11.5 tflops.
2080 is what im expecting from a 12 tflops rdna gpu. maybe more if they are based on rdna 2.0. and definitely more than 2080 super if the ps5 is 14.2 tflops. but still far far below the 2080 ti.