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(Rumor) WindowsCentral: Xbox Series X Specs
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They won't be doing that until it is alongside the announcement of the desktop chips.
Don't need as much memory now considering how fast the storage is...it would be redundant at that point.
Plus the rumor they can utilize the SSD as additional RAM in some capacity, right?
4GB of system RAM is enough for most games, the outlier in that video is Rise of the Tomb Raider, which could be poor coding.
13GBs on Xbox will be dedicated to games. I just started up Far Cry 5 on my PC and it was using almost 3GBs of System memory. If the memory were split on the Xbox this would still leave 10GBs for graphics, which is pretty close to the 2080TIs 11GBs. But you have to factor that some of the RAM usage on the System memory is duplicated in the GPU memory. So, even if that's only 1GB, I'm thinking more, but that would still result in 11GBs for Graphics, which seems like plenty for next gen. I'm betting closer to 12GBs will fully be available for graphics.
Also factor a super fast storage with a powerful CPU. I was loading FC5 and my poor 6600K was maxed out, this was from an HDD.
unfortunately. they talked up Stadia having RT support but it's nowhere to be seen with the RT enabled games. would have been a fine time to talk about it then
The more I think about this, the more skeptical I become. On a presumably 4K console, 32GB of unified RAM makes far more sense than 16GB, and is cheaper than what a 2TB ssd would cost. Yet the RAM rumor is 16GB... AND the ssd size is undisclosed. Seems like the source is just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. A 12TF GPU and a high clocked zen 2 chip... This TDP is gonna be high for a console as well.
The form factor makes perfect sense for cooling. So far that's the only bit of info we have that makes sense. It's also the only bit confirmed by Microsoft. I'm gonna hold of for more info from them. Or at least a more sensible leak/rumor
The form factor makes perfect sense for cooling. So far that's the only bit of info we have that makes sense. It's also the only bit confirmed by Microsoft. I'm gonna hold of for more info from them. Or at least a more sensible leak/rumor
Nice to see 12 RDNA TF basically confirmed (maybe certain people in the next gen thread will finally shut up about GCN). I'm curious if it will be over 12 at all, like 12.4 or something.
13 Gigs of RAM available to games does seem a little low (?) in relative terms to the rest of the rumored specs. Either way SX is a beast I'm very happy about that.
13 Gigs of RAM available to games does seem a little low (?) in relative terms to the rest of the rumored specs. Either way SX is a beast I'm very happy about that.
Pretty much, also if what they're saying is true it seems like the GPU can address the storage directly without tying up the CPU which saves a ton of CPU/GPU time.
How much more powerful is next gen CPU to current gen jaguars on xbone/PS4 with those clock speeds and architecture? Is it really 4-4.5x? That's a similar gap with last gen on 360 to xbone. IIRC, switch is close to 2x CPU of 360, and Xbone CPU is believed to be 2-2.5x faster than Switch. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
I get that CPU isn't developing at a fast rate as GPU, and that would put the switch even more behind on getting ports.
Think I said this before but I'm not worried too much on 16GB RAM. 2.5x more RAM available for games vs xbone base, and the RAM is much faster.
Would be hilarious if Sony reacts by having 20-24GB of RAM at the last minute.
I get that CPU isn't developing at a fast rate as GPU, and that would put the switch even more behind on getting ports.
Think I said this before but I'm not worried too much on 16GB RAM. 2.5x more RAM available for games vs xbone base, and the RAM is much faster.
Would be hilarious if Sony reacts by having 20-24GB of RAM at the last minute.
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Most? Please, this is false and is easily disproven.
Constant stuttering is not acceptable.
Lol the number of people thinking 16gb of RAM is low continues to remind me that most people on this forum really don't know what they're talking about.
360 RAM was bumped up at the last minute
PS4 RAM was bumped up at the last minute
Same could happen here should it be necessary
PS4 RAM was bumped up at the last minute
Same could happen here should it be necessary
Wait what??? The CPU clock speed increases day after day? from 3.2 to 3.4 to 3.5 in previous article and now 3.6 Ghz? Tis will stay high end for a long time if true.
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Going by the teaser they can go up to 20GB. Teaser showed 320bit bus.
Up to 40GB clamshell but you lose 8% bandwidth due to clamshell overhead.
Why they used mixed density chips to get to 16GB is a question for later...
That is what I was thinking, though I would be happy with 20GB. I think there have been rumors of it being 20 or 24, Windows Central saying 16 is surprising.
You are correct under the initial assumption of 16GB being enough. It is somewhat misguided to suggest more than that will be necessary based off previous console generations memory increases.
Performance too.
There's simply nothing that comes close to their current offerings.
Not the highest obviously but still very high even for release date. The general consensus was like 3.2 Ghz and many even thought 2.8 ghz.
It's 3.6 ghz which is huge. Talking CPU wise.
Ironically the reality is the opposite of discussion for new Nintendo consoles.
We all expect 2x more than Nintendo actually delivers. Lmao
Perhaps just more of a willingness to do these custom type products. Also AMD make processors too, so everything can be engineered together.
Nvidia have their fingers in a different selection of pies to AMD, with a big focus on GPUs for machine learning , offline rendered ray tracing , 3D production and self driving car video processing.
I would be very surprised if Sony doesn't decide 20GB of RAM to one up MS next holiday. I bet they are discussing it right now already. Higher GPU clocks and bandwidth and more RAM. 4GB DDR4 Ram for OS only. LOL
Going through these threads is fun but as a computing novice, it's so difficult to tell who knows what they're talking about and who's full of absolute shit, I think it's honestly about %5 former, %95 the latter.
God damn it's glorious.
God damn it's glorious.
Honestly, if you polled most folks a year ago on expectations this they would have expected significantly less. This is nowhere near expectations. This gen leap is much better than last gen. This console is a monster.
Modern games didn't need 5 gb of RAM in 2013 either, we are talking about future proofing here.
I am going by the expectations this year and not outdated expectation from last year.
To be fair I think its fine since the console needs to be priced cheap.
Just a few months ago 10 tf was the expectation in the speculation. I don't know where you're getting this.
Thing is, AMD can give them a good GPU and CPU combo at a competitive price. With Intel and Nvidia they would have to do separate deals. Plus AMD actually has the better and more efficient architecture now at 7nm versus Intel, while Nvidia is still using 12nm
Today, sure. These are consoles that are going to still exist in 2027.
I just wonder if the APU is a monolithic die or MCM. It'll be cool to see the chipworks deep dive next year.
They'd lose shared memory — the chances that Intel does a 180 on policy and shares chipset IP with Nvidia so they could build a shared architecture are pretty near nonexistent. Now you're in a more common PC with dedicated GPU scenario with CPU and bus bandwidth spent on copying data from main CPU memory into the GPU's dedicated memory.
Perf/watt is worse with Intel, so you're either losing clock or building a bigger box/cooling solution with a larger PSU (some of the efficiency gains with Nvidia might offset this tho)
Intel doesn't really have a semi-custom unit like AMD does. Both Microsoft and Sony have gotten AMD to add custom instructions/micro-architectural features to their CPUs (the X One X has some neat nested page descriptor caching, to reduce the CPU cost of the hyper visor and VM translations to improve the speed of emulating the 360).
A $300 CPU, a $300+ unreleased 12TF GPU with hardware RT, a 1TB NVMe SSD.
All in an affordable package within a reasonable TDP. Sounds like space magic at this point.
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The last time they were able to do so was because of a just in time density increase to GDDR5. They pretty much had to, to match MS's 8GB.
I predict that both consoles will be extremely close in terms of ram for games.
Console manufacturers pay way lower than MSRP... The APU in the series X, if around 350mm2, is unlikely to be over $200 in cost.