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Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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This cheered me up though from the pics thread.

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We will not talk about the launch content of Halo Infinite until we're ready. I haven't watched the video so if I am misinterpreting the headline as "'Halo Infinite is launching with/as a Halo Battle Royale mode" that is still not the case. You can probably make your own Battle Royale mode in Forge even right now though. It's a mode not a genre. And all the variants out there now are in my opinion quite radically different from my perspective. Apex vs Fortnite is chalk and cheese - one focuses on movement and map traversal and the other on building and budgeting. Like CTF. BTB Super Fiesta (for example) contains a lot of the shenanigans and emergent fun of that kind of large experience but big sandbox modes are not Battle Royale any more than Oddball is CTF. The launch modes for MP are not 100% defined and are subject to change till quite late in the process - but Battle Rifle will still be there. So you can have BR. But are we interested in big social modes with loads of organic shenanigans? Yes. Specifically A blimp full of survivors heading to an Island after a (metaphorical) lecture from Beat Takeshi? No.


We are NOT doing this as of now - and no plans to -- but Battle Royale could be made for any of the Halo games in MCC or 5 with some content and scripting additions, because it is a mode. It would have limits based on each engine. I'm pointing that out to be clear that it's one of the ways we think about gameplay possibilities rather than a single direction for a title.

This is true. I made a Battle Royale mode in Reach, complete with waiting room at the start. If people want it now they can make it now.
 

Burrman

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Oct 25, 2017
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But I like Fortnite and Apex a LOT. I have never made any digs at that mode or those games. It was a pun about the acronym.

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The only reason I even comment isn't because I don't think people should want that mode -- but to clarify that the game isn't being transformed into a "Battle Royale clone" and to point out that the ruleset and concept are not a genre - but a popular social mode and experience that show off two very different underlying games to good effect -- and obviously are ways that players can move comfortably between very different game play mechanics with the context of familiar rules - just as Quake players were able to adjust to Halo through ctf and other modes - the games themselves are fundamentally different.

Halo has always contained a mix of different mp modes and you'd be hard pushed to get consensus on slayer vs btb since the experiences are disparate in content and style and pace. Sure - the baseline gunplay is the same. But Btb is a "full sandbox" experience with a broader matrix of stuff and Slayer is a focused subset in a big venn diagram. There's no "right" mode except for the one you like.
Nice answer. Halo is the only MP game that has me switching between modes so often. In other games I only get attached to one as the definitive mode.
 

Chasex

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Oct 29, 2017
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So... what I'm getting is that Halo Infinite is a massive sandbox with an insanely powerful Forge mode which allows the community to guide the direction of the game. So yeah, why make a BR mode when the community will do it better, crank out the content faster, and be more agile? If Halo still has a niche in this market it's probably the creativity afforded by Forge.
 

Calvarok

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Oct 26, 2017
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I hope reactions like this don't sour them on the concept of matches that start with spartans dropping onto a map out of the sky. You could do lots of cool non-br things with that, or even just use it as an opening flair.

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Anyways, it almost tilts me to realize that there are probably multiple people in this thread who will go all the way until launch without having read Frank's comments here, even though they posted after him. Almost.
 

TheUnseenTheUnheard

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May 25, 2018
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It feels like BR should be a mode you just bake into Forge and let the community decide if they want it. Instead of you making a fully fleshed out and time consuming specialised mode. Just give us the tools and we will do the rest *slips a £10 note*

I think Campaign Forge or Forge with AI would be more interesting than BR anything if you ask me.

If we ever get Forge with AI, I can promise that I would probably play that Halo title every week for the rest of my life.
 

DrDeckard

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Oct 25, 2017
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I do trust them. Multiplayer is awesome in halo 5. My mind does completely run wild at 100 odst type drops into a map though. Oooof
 

Hurting Bomb

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Oct 28, 2017
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I can see why 343i would not want to be perceived as copying, but BR is massive now and probably won't be going away.

I hope they go all in on Halo's classic modes but i have to admit, i would love to see an ODST BR game....seems made for it!!
 

flyingman

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Apr 16, 2019
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I rather them focus on making good game then trying to get in " want this," "want that" type of game.
I hated Halo 5 MP , it was literally CoD Black Ops 2 multiplayer. I rather them focus on making like Halo Reach if they insist on keeping abilities a thing.
 

P40L0

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Jun 12, 2018
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Even Ske7ch retweeted Stinkles his response.


That's it, they're not doing a proper Battle Royale multiplayer nor they're focusing on it.

They (or us, the community) could create something similar with Forge or Social Playlist, but it will be a normal gametype to be added in some matchmaking playlist and nothing more.

Halo will continue to be Halo after all.
 

Noble

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Oct 27, 2017
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I could actually see Warzone being expanded into Battle Royale as a "Warzone Royale" mode.
 

Trup1aya

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Oct 25, 2017
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An optional game type makes you less interested in Halo Infinite? Lol

I think people underestimate the amount of resources required to launch a new feature gametype.

If you look at Halo 5- Warzone was the big new gametype, and it obviously took a lot of the team's attention to be able to ship it day one.

Then, when look at what WASN'T shipped day one - BTB, KOTH, ODDBALL, FORGE, ASSAULT, INFECTION, TERRITORIES, JUGGERNAUT, RACE, 1-FLAG, VIP, FIREFIGHT, ETC - it's easy to see why people might be fearful of another large gametype that will require a lot of developer attention and resources to execute properly.

I really do hope that the engine, Custom Options, Forge, scripting and content discovery in Halo:I are powerful enough to allow player to craft and promote dev quality game modes - I think that would lead to better new output than 343 trying to guess/extrapolate the new ways people want to play, at the expense of old favorites.

Infinity Arena, Spartan Ops, and H5s lack of launch content suggest that the tea leaves have a tendency to lead 343 astray.
 
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Defect

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Oct 25, 2017
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At this point in time I am fully confident in 343's ability to deliver on launch content. So if there is a Battle Royale or whatever I'm sure it'll be there alongside Forge, Customs, Theater, Btb, etc.
 

DemonCarnotaur

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Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Halo Infinite has a new big MP mode that is vaguely BR inspired, which is where this rumor came from, but not really a BR at all, nor is it the focus.
 

TheRuralJuror

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Can't wait to get a peek, but honestly, my expectations just aren't high with news of stuff like this. I felt like the focus on war zone left other modes wanting and would rather not see it happen again. Really not much faith in 343 if I'm being honest, but gotta just wait and see what they come up with.
 

zoabs

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I think Stinkles' comment if we parse the words down and look at its semantics, leaves some validity to this rumor.

I would definitely not be surprised if there's a Warzone/BR hybrid that involve enemy AI and Req stations to call in stuff when you've survived long enough or killed a lot of people/AI or looted stuff.

It might even be a standalone F2P mode which I feel like it would do VERY well.
 

nihilence

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Oct 25, 2017
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From 'quake area to big OH.
But imagine dropping in ODST pods.

Infinite could be far out. Things could still change. At any time they could pivot or add it in.

Fortnite was original just a wave based builder game. Then they pivot all into BR. Anything could happen.
 

Quample

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Dec 23, 2017
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I think Stinkles' comment if we parse the words down and look at its semantics, leaves some validity to this rumor.

I would definitely not be surprised if there's a Warzone/BR hybrid that involve enemy AI and Req stations to call in stuff when you've survived long enough or killed a lot of people/AI or looted stuff.

It might even be a standalone F2P mode which I feel like it would do VERY well.

I think you read too deep into what Stinkles wrote....or not deep enough. Although that last part makes me think you didn't actually read it at all.
 

zoabs

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I think you read too deep into what Stinkles wrote....or not deep enough. Although that last part makes me think you didn't actually read it at all.

I don't know... he said that there are no plans for people on a blimp jumping to an island. He keeps mentioning BR being a singular thing and that's not something he's a fan of.

I'm saying there's a possibility of a BR *inspired* game mode. Maybe not at launch, but eventually.
 

Quample

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I'm saying there's a possibility of a BR *inspired* game mode. Maybe not at launch, but eventually.

Right, but that seems different than you said before. My point is he more or less squashed the rumor.

Anyway, I'm in the br for battle rifle camp. I am in the VR camp though. I know it wont happen for Infinite, but god I would love some virtual reality Halo eventually. I had a dream about a Halo Holodeck sort of experience, and my dreams of the future are probably right like 5% of the time. Therefore, I deduce that that Halo will have a VR game directly after Halo infinite.
 
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Gundam

Gundam

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Oct 25, 2017
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So either Brad Sams/his source is wrong, or at least mistaken. I'm leaning towards just "wrong", but I do wonder if there could be some other game mode he's heard about that has been obfuscated with Battle Royale.
 

Welfare

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Oct 26, 2017
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Halo is at its best when you can make something into a game type. That is what Battle Royal should be, a game type in addition to Slayer, CTF, etc. Halo won't 'become" Battle Royal, but Halo can add it.

Hopefully with the new engine 343 puts the custom game options and forge into overdrive. The level of freedom should be insane in Infinite.
 

Akai

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Oct 25, 2017
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Halo is at its best when you can make something into a game type. That is what Battle Royal should be, a game type in addition to Slayer, CTF, etc. Halo won't 'become" Battle Royal, but Halo can add it.

Hopefully with the new engine 343 puts the custom game options and forge into overdrive. The level of freedom should be insane in Infinite.

Absolutely agree with this.
 

Startropper

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Oct 25, 2017
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It seems BR or BR like mode could be interpreted as rather vague terms.

For example, if 343 is creating a new interartion of warzone or an evolution of warzone. Brad Sams insider could have meant that as a "BR like experience".

Hypothetically speaking anyway, but seems in the realm of possibility.
 

wwm0nkey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Halo is at its best when you can make something into a game type. That is what Battle Royal should be, a game type in addition to Slayer, CTF, etc. Halo won't 'become" Battle Royal, but Halo can add it.

Hopefully with the new engine 343 puts the custom game options and forge into overdrive. The level of freedom should be insane in Infinite.
I want Infinite to include a SDK for Windows for scripting and map creation.
 
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Gundam

Gundam

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Side note: I disagree with Battle Royale not being a genre. In Halo, I don't think a BR mode is it's own genre, but dedicated BR games certainly are, and have their components designed from the ground up to support that style of play. It would be disingenuous to only call PUBG an "FPS".

I understand the sentiment, but I have to basically flatly disagree with the overall conclusion that Batte Royale isn't a genre.

One-life One-bomb Assault/Search and Destroy don't belong in the larger genre, but stuff like CSGO and R6 certainly belong to "Tactical FPS".

You can have a side mode exist without it defining the genre of the rest of the game. Extreme example, but Mortal Kombat Armageddon is not a Kart Racer because of the existence of Motor Kombat.
 
Jan 4, 2018
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I hate Battle Royale. What I would like in Halo Infinite is the next step of Big Team Battle / Invasion (Halo Reach). Something like iconic battles from Halo playable in a large-scale multiplayer mode with attackers against defenders : assault on the Citadel, New Mombasa, Attack on the Control room, the Ark, etc.

Something like 24 Spartans II vs 24 Spec-Ops Elites, Honor Guards Ultra and Zealots. With some Elephants / Scorpions and glorious orbital Scarab drops while an epic music is playing.

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