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Rumour: WindowsCentral - Inside the target specs of the next Xbox 'Project Scarlett,' 'Anaconda', and 'Lockhart'
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Earlier? I've been out got back Yesterday. I saw he was in next gen thread, but don't remember any 12tf talk.
Naw, if you are skeptical of these specs you're clearly a fanboy. /s
I'm not buying that TF number. And 16GB of unified RAM seems low, especially if 4K is the target. Figure in TDP and price... Something is off
It's a compliment. They making that money!
But yeah, it's a fanboy's attempt at an insult.
So you think it would be something like what we saw last time with Xbox one specs vs ps4 specs but reversed?
There's another thought that came to me about now:
Previous speculation mentioned that Ms would go "wider and slower" as in more CUs at lower speeds than Ps5.
Maybe set up as follows (and taking into account DukeBlueBall comment about Anaconda being [email protected]):
44 CUs @1.7Ghz, 4 disabled for yields
46 CUs @1.6Ghz 2 disabled for yields
Perhaps they went all "Fuck disabling yields we need to go FULL POWAH" in order to get the power crown.
They really would need to get a powerful cooling solution and PSU to power such a beast
Previous speculation mentioned that Ms would go "wider and slower" as in more CUs at lower speeds than Ps5.
Maybe set up as follows (and taking into account DukeBlueBall comment about Anaconda being [email protected]):
44 CUs @1.7Ghz, 4 disabled for yields
46 CUs @1.6Ghz 2 disabled for yields
Perhaps they went all "Fuck disabling yields we need to go FULL POWAH" in order to get the power crown.
They really would need to get a powerful cooling solution and PSU to power such a beast
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We already know Cerny's meta-chlorine levels are off the charts.
Awesome, thanks.
Sorry I didn't know been literally looking at servers all damn day.
What doesn't make sense to me, is if Anaconda is 12tf, but devkit wise PS5 is faster, is it only in maturity of the devkit? Like in actual raw numbers anaconda is stronger than pS5? Or is PS5 like 12.34tf or something?
Is it in just devkit maturity?
Most probably an XCloud console while linking hardware and servers to limit latency?
I never understood these rumors because all signs pointed to Xbox holding their cards close to the chest while we literally have pictures of PS5 dev kits
Werent those the pixel wars? Like how 720p looked like blurred shit compared to myopia simulator 900p and pristine 1080p
I was aware of the 12TF stuff in January 2019 but there is soo much BS around that it's hard to trust anything. Durango devkit had a scaled down 7900 GPU before final hardware which lead people to assume it was a beast.
The funny thing is that the clear massive leaps for next generation as just mentioned by Jason from Kotaku earlier on the threads per discussions with those who are in the know are the CPU and SSD upgrades for these consoles, and the Lockhart will have both of those big leaps in place too. So when everyone is talking about things like frame rates and loading times being better, that can actually help to market the cheapest option that just doesn't push 4K or as high graphics settings as the top end options (just like PC graphics card options in the market today basically).
These specs are near identical to those leaked months ago. So I'm not sure if it is linked to dev kits going out (they have been out earlier to certain devs). It seems more like a few round numbers and targets. Rather than anything set in stone.
we don't know, but everything points to both being pretty similar
So all this talk about MS flip flopping on their vision has been BS as well? If 12TF has been their goal since all the way back in Jan, it seems pretty firm to me.
Maybe check out Xbox One X then? It's a sleek, silent and powerful console. Best console hardware I have ever owned.
Made by the Surface team, who are designing the nextbox too.
What the eff.
Dante is the rumored Scarlett Devkit?
Also meant to post this on the other speculation thread, sorry
I don't know that much...
All I knew that these were the the targets for Scarlett from 2017 / early 2018
Lockhart:
8 core zen 2
8-12GB GDDR6
4TF+ Navi
1TB SDD at 1.0 GB/s
Anaconda:
8 core zen 2
12-16GB GDDR6
10TF+ Navi
1TB SDD at 1.0 GB/s
Yep. Pretty much...though it was NVMe SSD back then as well.
After the xbox one power issues, the xbox 1X and phils many words on power, its been apparent to me that they always planned anaconda to be very powerful.
12tf is beyond our wildest dreams, who would of thought a year ago we would have a gpu as powerful as 16 GCN tflops, that was clown talk back then.
The biggest advantage of the console world was to simply experience unique hardware, pushed to the highest possible performance levels. With Anaconda and lockhart, however, the developers are on one side called to spend time and resources on different products, and this already affects the costs and results we were used to. This is already madness with the current difficulties. As users, then, it may happen that the cheaper version of the consoles is a development base, and then the most expensive one is not justified in the price and in the results themselves (it happens with Xbox one X, today, and know that you can see it here at home). Or what, will they develop on the leading console? And there will probably be silly results on the lower one, however a brake on development. Again, all this makes no sense, even more knowing that Sony will only need to position itself in the middle to become the true, unique reference of the new generation. Smart people, at Microsoft and in the Xbox department.
Without considering that Xbox one X, at this point, would be an exploitable minimum for the new generation, perhaps at resolutions castrated as 720p, but will be 'casually' ousted, with lockhart to sell, more updated but more or less similar in performance according to rumors.
I will never, NEVER join (or jump in) this kind of MADNESS. Open eyes guys, use brain.
Without considering that Xbox one X, at this point, would be an exploitable minimum for the new generation, perhaps at resolutions castrated as 720p, but will be 'casually' ousted, with lockhart to sell, more updated but more or less similar in performance according to rumors.
I will never, NEVER join (or jump in) this kind of MADNESS. Open eyes guys, use brain.
I'm talking about the software output. The Xbox One X is a solid machine, that puts the PS4 Pro to shame with how well it was put together, but I can play all those games on my PC. No doubt the turn around that Microsoft has done with their hardware is impressive, but they're still lagging behind in exclusive software and I'm not ready to jump back in after the Xbox One. If Microsoft's apparent dedication to putting out exclusives next gen turns out to be real, I'll be one of the first in line to buy them but I just can't trust them based on word alone.
Those same developers have to accommodate all forms of PC as well, so Lockhart makes no real difference.
I'm also invested in a Windows PC and enjoy gamepass to it's fullest by having both the console and the PC and there are many games on the service that are not on PC and will most likely never come there. Don't see the point of this post...
If anything, gamepass ultimate encourages Xbox console adoption, don't see why is paying for the PC gamepass to then purchase games available on the service on a different console smart?
Next gen MS will be having 15 proven great studios pumping out games like clockwork but if purchasing each one on PC at full price sounds like a better proposal then idk, go for it.
Ok so I just read some docs / thread for this story of "TFlops"...
So a Vega 64 is less perform than a 2060 Super
VEGA 64 (GCN) : 12,5 TF
RTX 2060 Super : 7,5 TF
Waiting for Navi TF (RDNA) but If 12TF is better than 7,5 of Nvidia (+ CPU) just GG for AMD
naive question here...
IF lockhart = ~4 TF, ps5 = ~10 TF, and anaconda = ~12 TF, and IF this translates into 1080p on lockhart and native 4k on anaconda, does this mean sony's 10TF could slide right inbetween these two resolutions somehow? a bit like this gen where we have virtually the same game on ps4 @ 1080p, native 4k on x1x, and somewhere inbetween using reconstruction techniques to reach 4k on ps4 pro?
IF lockhart = ~4 TF, ps5 = ~10 TF, and anaconda = ~12 TF, and IF this translates into 1080p on lockhart and native 4k on anaconda, does this mean sony's 10TF could slide right inbetween these two resolutions somehow? a bit like this gen where we have virtually the same game on ps4 @ 1080p, native 4k on x1x, and somewhere inbetween using reconstruction techniques to reach 4k on ps4 pro?
The point was exactly what you posted. The guy I originally replied to was telling PS5 users not to fret, that the difference wouldn't be that big. However, if you don't limit yourself to one platform, there's nothing to worry about. His post came off as trying to incite a console war, mine just let him know that there's multiple ways to enjoy Microsoft's ecosystem without having to exclusively own an Xbox and turn down offerings from Nintendo/Sony.
Proof that games will be "pumped out like clockwork?"
I posted earlier but someone was trying to deny inflation exists (???????)
this leak is from January, and has been passed aside many times, but, does this bring it further into reality?
the ps5 stuff seemed iffy, but maybe they really did pivot the whole ps5 idea?
this leak is from January, and has been passed aside many times, but, does this bring it further into reality?
the ps5 stuff seemed iffy, but maybe they really did pivot the whole ps5 idea?
I don't think there will be much innovating on either side, they will take available technology and put it together with some tweaking.
To me the rumours of PS5 being uber powerful didn't make to much sense because it has not been there strategy this gen, this gen they made powerful consoles in the constraints of a price they thought was very attractive.
I would of thought they would of banged out another $399 console with decent but not beastly specs.
However once klee had spoken it seems Sony want to a return to a more beastly hardware.
Definitely could be. The discless X1 reportedly did quite well over black Friday. So, they may have the evidence they need to say a low end Xbox doesn't need a disc drive at all.
I posted earlier but someone was trying to deny inflation exists (???????)
this leak is from January, and has been passed aside many times, but, does this bring it further into reality?
the ps5 stuff seemed iffy, but maybe they really did pivot the whole ps5 idea?
Was this leak before age of empires 4 was announced?
It depends entirely on how they're segmented. The Xbox-Xbox One X has significantly differences in amount of memory, GPU (architecture and overall performance), and lesser but still substantial differences in CPU power - and it was delivered far into this generations lifespan. Even if it runs the 'same code', those are still quite a number of factors.
If the only difference in power from Lockhart to Anaconda is 4TF vs 12 though - same CPU, same amount of memory, same storage, and it's being accounted for from the outset with development, I really don't see the problem. Games won't have to be changed significantly, or at all - most games will likely have some form of dynamic resolution, you could have the exact same code for example run on both consoles, and at console the performance target would just mean the game would run at 1080p (or below) while be at 4k on Anaconda. I don't see how that would interfere with a developers vision at all. Again, if the only difference is in GPU power.
Edit: I see the latest rumours are differences in memory - 12 vs 16.However, If the PS5 'only' has 12 then that would already have to be accounted for in most multi-platform development. As usual, too many unknowns at this point.
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