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Fliesen

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Its onnnnnn
Wish me luch
Good luck!

However you felt during your last training sessions doesn't matter. The race is the race. Enjoy the crowds. Everybody there cheers for you and has huge respect for your determination.

You're going to do fine and you'll yearn for more, if not immediately after the race, then by tomorrow.
 

Fisico

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Oct 27, 2017
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My training for a full marathon has been going ok. I still have almost 2 months and I've done some long runs up to a half marathon. I really need to push this week and get somewhere above 15 miles on a long run.

My main concern right now is that I am training in Miami during the summer. I can't deal with the heat and humidity in any reasonable way past an hour run. I lose between 5 and 7 lbs of sweat on an hour run outside at night stopping for water every 30 minutes or so. The weather doesn't drop below 80 at any point in the day and humidity is around 80+% as well. It is just brutal.

My tentative plan is to do all my long runs on a treadmill in a more temperature controlled environment and to do shorter strength runs in the 5 to 8 miles range outside, but I feel like that is not ideal. I am doing the San Francisco marathon, so weather wise it will be in a cooler, less humid environment, but there will be more elevation gain.

Any advice on this?

Run with water/food/nutrient/any drink with you, imo it's a must past 1h30 anyway and it's a great long term investment, think something like this
Training in warm environement is doable, you just have to deal with going slower (because you need to if you want to keep same effort level) and it can lead to benefit even when running in cooler weather later on.
 

Piston

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Run with water/food/nutrient/any drink with you, imo it's a must past 1h30 anyway and it's a great long term investment, think something like this
Training in warm environement is doable, you just have to deal with going slower (because you need to if you want to keep same effort level) and it can lead to benefit even when running in cooler weather later on.
I am ordering one from REI that will be here on Friday for my weekend long run. I've been apprehensive about getting one, but the weather is forcing my hand. Do a lot of people wear these during actual races?
 

Fisico

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I am ordering one from REI that will be here on Friday for my weekend long run. I've been apprehensive about getting one, but the weather is forcing my hand. Do a lot of people wear these during actual races?
Trail races yes, long road races less so (don't think it makes much sense for anything below half, even for half it's not really necessary I think) as drinks/foods are available at drinking station every 5km or more often and gels can be stored in others ways (back/front pocket or belt)
If it's your thing some don't hesitate to take one for marathon, it avoids the stress of dealing with crowded stations and also allow you to control what and how much you drink.
 

Piston

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Trail races yes, long road races less so (don't think it makes much sense for anything below half, even for half it's not really necessary I think) as drinks/foods are available at drinking station every 5km or more often and gels can be stored in others ways (back/front pocket or belt)
If it's your thing some don't hesitate to take one for marathon, it avoids the stress of dealing with crowded stations and also allow you to control what and how much you drink.
That makes sense.

I have been pretty serious about my training so far, but I know this is the time frame where everything counts and I am going to start pushing myself. I am confident in my leg strength and lungs, I just need to get a bit smarter about how I am spending my energy and how I am re-fueling.
 

Haunted Tank

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Oct 28, 2017
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That makes sense.

I have been pretty serious about my training so far, but I know this is the time frame where everything counts and I am going to start pushing myself. I am confident in my leg strength and lungs, I just need to get a bit smarter about how I am spending my energy and how I am re-fueling.
Try experimenting on your long runs what works for you in terms of refueling.

About 5 days before a marathon I start carboloading. On race day I have a light breakfast, like cereal or some bananas, drink some water and a sports drink. I drink at every aid station, sports drink if possible and pour some water on my head or neck. Every 10 km I use an energy gel with some water.

This works for me, it doesn't have to work for you. Like I said, try it on your long runs. Don't Start experimenting on race day!
 

RedNalgene

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Oct 25, 2017
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Try experimenting on your long runs what works for you in terms of refueling.

About 5 days before a marathon I start carboloading. On race day I have a light breakfast, like cereal or some bananas, drink some water and a sports drink. I drink at every aid station, sports drink if possible and pour some water on my head or neck. Every 10 km I use an energy gel with some water.

This works for me, it doesn't have to work for you. Like I said, try it on your long runs. Don't Start experimenting on race day!
Yeah you really gotta experiment. For me, I know that if I do a sports drink at every aid station I'm going to feel terrible. So usually in a marathon I skip the ones for the first 10 miles or so, then start alternating water and gatorade. And I take a few gels in the second half, always with water. And the gels CANNOT have caffeine - I learned that one the hard way and had to make two bathroom stops in the race because the caffeine got things...moving....
 

r3s

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Feb 6, 2018
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I am ordering one from REI that will be here on Friday for my weekend long run. I've been apprehensive about getting one, but the weather is forcing my hand. Do a lot of people wear these during actual races?
Road races not so much. I did all my summer marathon training long runs with one. On particularly hot days I stuffed every pocket with frozen gel packs and half frozen soft bottles (1/2 fill soft bottle with drink, freeze, then fill the remaining amount just before heading out). Just be aware that the additional weight will slow you down, so don't worry too much about pace. It's doable, but you have to get creative.
 

GAMEPROFF

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Oct 26, 2017
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I survived.
My legs feel like they are gonne but I survived.
Very interesting how good people cheering motivate you when you already think you are done cant walk anymore.
 

Fisico

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Shaved a good minute on my 10k PR logging, exactly as expected, a 35mn38s last Sunday.
I also didn't feel like shit at all which, for a 10k, has been a rather unusual occurence lately, 17:40/17:58 split, it was also my first real race using the Tartherzeal 6 (Asics racing flat with a weight of ~150g) and it went perfectly, no going back from that now.

Goal by the end of the year is a <2h45 for marathon, which should be enough to auto qualify for most major if I fancy running one of these, everything is going well, building up mileage and staying consistent in training is paying off big time, makes me want to keep improving and know how fast I can get in 10k/half/marathon and where is the limit.
 

Duebrithil

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Shaved a good minute on my 10k PR logging, exactly as expected, a 35mn38s last Sunday.
I also didn't feel like shit at all which, for a 10k, has been a rather unusual occurence lately, 17:40/17:58 split, it was also my first real race using the Tartherzeal 6 (Asics racing flat with a weight of ~150g) and it went perfectly, no going back from that now.

Goal by the end of the year is a <2h45 for marathon, which should be enough to auto qualify for most major if I fancy running one of these, everything is going well, building up mileage and staying consistent in training is paying off big time, makes me want to keep improving and know how fast I can get in 10k/half/marathon and where is the limit.
You run in a fairly warm area, yeah? I'd say your goals are entirely within your grasp.

And congrats on your PB!
 

Curufinwe

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Anyone run in Ultra Boosts? I bought a pair from Adidas for easy runs and for casual wear, but when I got them yesterday the black boost on the sides of the soles had made marks on the white heels of the opposite shoes, and they can't be washed off. It's almost like they melted inside the box. So I had to return them. If I get another pair, I'll get a colorway with white soles.

 

r3s

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Feb 6, 2018
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Fisico, nice work on hitting that PB. Good to see you've set some goals and are seeing the benefits of consistent training.

Curufinwe, I ran about 600 miles in my pair of Ultraboost ST, until the midsole failed under the midfoot. They're ok as a training shoe, but pretty heavy. If I was buying a daily trainer from adidas again I'd probably get the Boston Boost or Solar Glide/Drive - I find I prefer a firmer midsole under the forefoot. The UltraBoost ST knitted upper is solid so they're now my daily sneakers.

 

pbsapeer

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Oct 28, 2017
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Fisico, nice work on hitting that PB. Good to see you've set some goals and are seeing the benefits of consistent training.

Curufinwe, I ran about 600 miles in my pair of Ultraboost ST, until the midsole failed under the midfoot. They're ok as a training shoe, but pretty heavy. If I was buying a daily trainer from adidas again I'd probably get the Boston Boost or Solar Glide/Drive - I find I prefer a firmer midsole under the forefoot. The UltraBoost ST knitted upper is solid so they're now my daily sneakers.
I've got a pair of the solar drive. It's a nice shoe. Grip is amazing. But it's very firm compared to my NB1080v9. I don't mind it for quicker runs or shorter distances but doesn't feel that nice over 40mimutes running.
 

Fisico

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You run in a fairly warm area, yeah? I'd say your goals are entirely within your grasp.

And congrats on your PB!
Hum I used to one year ago, now I wouldn't say that, currently living in a moderate climete now, in fact that 10k was run in a cloudy 14° weather which, while slightly too hot for me, was welcome especially in June.
Now come the summer break for races, I did one every month since last September but July/August are just too hot to bother trying, unless I go for another triathlon with my incredibly bad swimming skills.

r3s Thanks :p You're in the same boat as well!
 

Piston

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Oct 25, 2017
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Run with water/food/nutrient/any drink with you, imo it's a must past 1h30 anyway and it's a great long term investment, think something like this
Training in warm environement is doable, you just have to deal with going slower (because you need to if you want to keep same effort level) and it can lead to benefit even when running in cooler weather later on.
I did my first run with this on Monday night with both water sleeves filled up, one with a watered down mix of BCAAs and another with just water. I only had one Huma Chia gel pack left so that was all I could take with me.

It felt odd running with it at first, especially with the water sleeves full (adds an extra 40oz to the body on top of the weight of the vest), but I got used to it and was going almost my normal pace. Used the one gel I had around the 6-mile mark, still ran out of fluids around the 10-mile mark and then had some light cramping in my lower stomach/pelvic region around that time as well so I had to walk for a bit. Felt great after that and had a good finish for my first training outside over 13.1 miles. I was able to run the following day, which is not something I can say about other times I have run a half marathon outside.

I'm going to bring even more water next time and another gel pack and maybe a light power bar. I need to get some sort of spandex sleeve for my calves so I can stop sweat from running down my legs into my shoes or maybe I will just run in full spandex. I'm literally sloshing on every step by the end.

I still lost in the ballpark of 7 lbs (175 lbs to 168 lbs) after that run and I can't eat or drink enough to keep up with my hunger/thirst. It's kind of funny.
 
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Curufinwe

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Fisico, nice work on hitting that PB. Good to see you've set some goals and are seeing the benefits of consistent training.

Curufinwe, I ran about 600 miles in my pair of Ultraboost ST, until the midsole failed under the midfoot. They're ok as a training shoe, but pretty heavy. If I was buying a daily trainer from adidas again I'd probably get the Boston Boost or Solar Glide/Drive - I find I prefer a firmer midsole under the forefoot. The UltraBoost ST knitted upper is solid so they're now my daily sneakers.
Thanks. They are also a lot cheaper than the Ultra Boosts.
 

Fisico

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You run in a fairly warm area, yeah? I'd say your goals are entirely within your grasp.

And congrats on your PB!
Hum I used to one year ago, now I wouldn't say that,
I did my first run with this on Monday night with both water sleeves filled up, one with a watered down mix of BCAAs and another with just water. I only had one Huma Chia gel pack left so that was all I could take with me.

It felt odd running with it at first, especially with the water sleeves full (adds an extra 40oz to the body on top of the weight of the vest), but I got used to it and was going almost my normal pace. Used the one gel I had around the 6-mile mark, still ran out of fluids around the 10-mile mark and then had some light cramping in my lower stomach/pelvic region around that time as well so I had to walk for a bit. Felt great after that and had a good finish for my first training outside over 13.1 miles. I was able to run the following day, which is not something I can say about other times I have run a half marathon outside.

I'm going to bring even more water next time and another gel pack and maybe a light power bar. I need to get some sort of spandex sleeve for my calves so I can stop sweat from running down my legs into my shoes or maybe I will just run in full spandex. I'm literally sloshing on every step by the end.

I still lost in the ballpark of 7 lbs (175 lbs to 168 lbs) after that run and I can't eat or drink enough to keep up with my hunger/thirst. It's kind of funny.
Most of the weight loss after a run is straight up dehydration, you get back most of it in 24h usually.
Cramp is when you are too much dehydrated/push too hard usually, you'll see soon enough which it is since you will be bringing more fluid next time but don't hesitate to go slower on average it'll help you sweating less, avoid likelihood of cramping and so on, long run should be done at easy pace first and foremost and only when you are used to it/confident enough you can try to go a bit faster or adding some tempo.

If you're really sweating a lot water only might also not be enough, having some electrolytes or even a salt tab might help (never had to go that far but some do seem to need it, depends on how and how much you sweat.