Anyone really shocked by this? All about creating discord
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-c...3Qp1zlhvUaJIqvSKzDJ5mILjGPB40PCBErH3FgMUwSiWw
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Russia Trolls 'Spreading Vaccination Misinformation' to Create Discord
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They have been manipulating Trump voters the whole time, both before and after the election so this comes as no surprise.
My grandmother's sister got polio as a child, spent her entire life in a wheelchair with heavy braces on her legs when she was out of the chair. Why we are willingly heading back to this makes me so angry.
If we didn't have such a staunchly anti-science population, shitty ploys like this wouldn't work.
"Do you have our battle plans ready?!"
"Sir, yes, sir! We have analyzed enemy positions and found a failure proof strategy that will strike at the very heart of the enemy!"
"Well, what is it, out with it!"
"Sir, we are going to tell them to stop listening to doctors and not to take their medicine."
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"Excuse me?"
"They are already dying like flies sir, it's amazing really."
"Huh."
"Sir, yes, sir! We have analyzed enemy positions and found a failure proof strategy that will strike at the very heart of the enemy!"
"Well, what is it, out with it!"
"Sir, we are going to tell them to stop listening to doctors and not to take their medicine."
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"Excuse me?"
"They are already dying like flies sir, it's amazing really."
"Huh."
Much better put. Facts, education and truth are slowly becoming demonized.
It's quite astounding really. The fact that a strategy like, "A lot of Americans are stupid, so let's exploit that" actually has the numbers in the general American population to WORK really shows just how far critical thinking/education has fallen in America, or, maybe more accurately, just how much racism and religion can override critical thinking. Either way, it's going to be an amazing historical example of the effectiveness of propaganda/disinformation campaigns to circumvent military superiority, and go straight for the civilian population to do damage to the political infrastructure.
Yeah, that appears to the their MO: exploit and encourage dissent along lines that already exist. The reason it is so succesful is down to poor education, poorer understanding of politics and social media companies that don't give a shit as long as people are #engaging.
Vladimir Putin's Kleptocracy is not about bringing Russia up - it's about dragging everyone else down. I think eventually the situation has to come to a halt. He's a global poison. Sanctions need to bite until his team of greedy billionaires sees the writing on the wall.
Maybe some more shirtless pics of him "discovering" ancient Greek artifacts in four feet of water? Or what he actually did when the USSR finally collapsed which was to immediately sprint towards the money. The Soviet hero turned statesman version of himself is total fantasy.
He's an insecure and ordinary little bureaucrat and thief whose primary superpower is not giving a shit what happens to his countrymen or their future.
Maybe some more shirtless pics of him "discovering" ancient Greek artifacts in four feet of water? Or what he actually did when the USSR finally collapsed which was to immediately sprint towards the money. The Soviet hero turned statesman version of himself is total fantasy.
He's an insecure and ordinary little bureaucrat and thief whose primary superpower is not giving a shit what happens to his countrymen or their future.
I'm not sure what you can do without resorting to what amounts to censorship.
Regulating social media to not post bullshit or at least disclose who paid for certain ads but there's no real action on their part there
Anti intelectualism. Russian trolls are just fanning the flames.
He knows this gravy train won't last forever, dude's getting his licks in while he can.
There is gonna be chinese and Russian sanctions when Dems get power. Also a bit more of a curtailing of Saudi power in America.
Thr only thing about the Saudis is that we have so few friends in the region we cant really afford to part with them. If we did we woild just have Jordan and Israel
I once responded to a Facebook post about how this woman that I had dated briefly was questioning vaccinating her kids. When I pointed out all of the actual information around it, she got extremely defensive and said: "Of course I'm going to vaccinate my kids, I'm just asking questions here." To which my response was: "You're asking medical advice on Facebook?"
What does that say about our society that people would trust random people on Facebook rather than doctors?
What does that say about our society that people would trust random people on Facebook rather than doctors?
We need to create legislation on this quickly. If you deny vaccination, make it illegal to go to public schools or use public tolls, social services, or anything sponsored by the government. Make the only legitimate way to avoid vaccination and participate in society being an MD or DO certified signed letter stating that you cannot be vaccinated due to your own personal health risks.
We need to protect society from these idiots at the legislative level. Rhetoric won't work because they're not willing to listen.
We need to protect society from these idiots at the legislative level. Rhetoric won't work because they're not willing to listen.
How do people who always claim Occam's razor think about these revelations? That a government has been manipulating and controlling peoples (the dumb asses) thoughts and putting them in positions of power for their own gain. It sounds like a killer popcorn flick and a miserable real life.
We have an anti-science population because of intentional republican attacks on public education.
100%
It's funny how rich white republicans always donate to, go to and come from ivy league schools only to go on and tell their constituents to fear educated liberals and regent science, research and medicine and overall just try to keep them as stupid as possible.
aren't a lot of very liberal cities ones with bad vaccination rates?
Anti-intellectualism is a threat to global civilization. And besides that, an attack on so many things that make life worth living.
Liberals go to public schools just as much as Republican. Education has been under attack for decades and now you have adults on both sides reaping the fruits.
I get what you're saying, I think if anything it's the lack of skill when it comes to credible sourcing, and that's something that's definitely an issue with boomers. In my experience, I've met my fair share of liberals that are both kind of the anti-vaccine type and the anti-GMO.
Fair to keep in mind that anti-vaxx is very much a thing in the left side of the political spectrum as in the right, it's one of the commanlities (distrust of authority ) and I have co-workers on both sides of the spectrum who espouse anti-vaxx sentiments. The big pharma / all natural bullship is very much a left wing bogeyman and is used ad nauseum in the anti-vaxx community.
It's fair to say Russian trolls are very much in this to prop up whomever they can to create as much confusion in our democracy as possible.
Ironic Putin is now considering unhooking Russia from the internet to avoid US hacking.
It's fair to say Russian trolls are very much in this to prop up whomever they can to create as much confusion in our democracy as possible.
Ironic Putin is now considering unhooking Russia from the internet to avoid US hacking.
From personal experience this is one of those stances that the left and right intersect on the vinn diagram.
This is so spot on. It gets tiring to see people paint him as a machiavellian mastermind. Sure, he's smarter than Trump, but that's a low bar indeed.
I would think funding the hell out of public education would be a good start, but I'm no expert.
We might also consider holding social media companies accountable for harmful misinformation allowed to spread on their platforms.
I'm skeptical about education being the answer. Fake news seems to impact everyone. I mean, many anti-vaxxers have good educations. I think you need to educate people to recognize bad data, specifically, but that's at least a generation away and there is no political will for it regardless. We need immediate solutions.
You make it damn near impossible for these dipshits to be members of society.
Start with making vaccinations mandatory for public schools.
If these morons want to be danger to the public, the public should have the right to protect itself and exclude.
That's the ingenious part of it. Someone in some war room was like "I've been on the internet a lot and noticed that any meme can catch on with enough spam. So why don't we spam memes that make people harm themselves and each other?"
And it's brilliant in this horrible way because that's done more damage to the US than any bomb could.
I can't think of anything besides cracking down on said bots much more aggressively, and/or out-shouting them with truthful information.
The first one is probably more practical. Bot posts can probably be caught with machine learning. The latter is harder because the truth often involves a detailed explanation, which doesn't translate well against meme spam and short attention spans. That would be like trying to explain the intracies of any topic in twitch chat.
Yup. We have an enemy who expertly knows how to use tools we are providing to them. We need to address both aspects of the problem - the internal and external causes.
How much of 4chan & reddit is basically this kind of stuff? I reckon it's a lot. Conspiracies, racism, bad medical advice, people pretending to be 11 years old casually dropping the N word because "It's just a joke and free speech, guys!"...