After the fall said it was MistralThere literally going to the racist capital of the world.
After the Fall also acknowledges issues Faunus face so it's not like there pretending that doesn't happen.
After the fall said it was MistralThere literally going to the racist capital of the world.
After the Fall also acknowledges issues Faunus face so it's not like there pretending that doesn't happen.
Ok second most racist place on Remnant.
HAH!Some of the unfinished animation from RTX leaked
Not sure if posting this is allowed or not, but if not someone let me know and I'll remove it
The visual design of Atlas/Mantle is the most obvious metaphor for inequality that I can think of.
The brand is pointless on Adam as it didn't matter if he was a Faunus by then and the racism behind it isn't even addressed or brought up. Not to mention he saying his ex leaving him was worse than it, which undermines the plot.The visual design of Atlas/Mantle is the most obvious metaphor for inequality that I can think of.
And they just introduced the SDC logo on Adam at the end of last volume.
There's no way they're dropping it.
Where did you see this? Twitter? Got a link? Looks great.Some of the unfinished animation from RTX leaked
Not sure if posting this is allowed or not, but if not someone let me know and I'll remove it
Ah, thanksI was looking for the panel QA on youtube, and someone recorded this when they weren't supposed to. I saved a gif cause I knew it would be removed (it is gone now)
Sienna Khan had more potential to be an interesting character than Redhead Gaston.
I feel people say this because Sienna's character design is 10/10
But then they were going along gleefully with this plan later on to attack the Belladonna household and even acting like cackling villainsThe Fennec twins were the true brains behind Adam's White Fang and they were contemplating about betraying him because of his reckless and unstable nature.
Look at some of our leaders in real life.But then they were going along gleefully with this plan later on to attack the Belladonna household and even acting like cackling villains
Really, how did anyone follow a nut like Adam?
Oh, true
Good point and edited. I'm still confused why the show is trying to make Adam some tragic figure though all of a sudden considering the crew has been telling us this guy sucks. I think Arryn said she's concerned Adam still has fans even and thinks he was the kind to torture animals as a kidI find it difficult to picture much sympathy being mustered for Cinder after all she's done, particularly after killing Pyrrha.
Ok, I'm sorry for talking about Adam so much but here's something I just need to bring up
CRWBY and the show keep telling us that this guy sucks and he's rotten to the core. CRWBY frequently diss him and even his own voice actor trash-talked Adam. Then out of the blue, Amity Arena's bio calls him a child slave who was once innocent and just wanted to find his place in the world, his song is about his descent into madness and details the abuse he suffered as a kid, and Nevermore says to not take joy from his death since Adam was a victim who never got a break. Yet him being a 'tragic figure' is never brought up in the show at all. So I'm just confused why they're now trying to make him some tragic villain or something we should pity and I'm just like 'Why?' Hell, I think they should have given his backstory to Cinder by now seeing as she's a major villain or and it would make sense why she wants so much power and to be feared
I find it difficult to picture much sympathy being mustered for Cinder after all she's done, particularly after killing Pyrrha (a death which was clearly neither instant nor painless).
Because him having a tragic backstory (which we still don't know the details of until we go to Atlas because his branding happened at the mines) doesn't invalidate he was a shit. He used his personal suffering as an excuse to lash out at everyone he deemed had wronged him. He was so consumed by his hatred and spite, that he refused to let go and ultimately its what got him killed.
There were multiple points during the Blake and Yang fight where both of them tried to get Adam to leave. But he refused. He couldn't let go of the fact he felt Blake wronged him. He used his personal tragedies as an excuse to lash out at everyone.
Thats what the bio and nevermore is trying to say. That it is sad he didn't learn in the end. Not "woe is him, he suffered" it's "he didn't learn to let go of his hatred"
Also, I feel there is a huge disconnect with how people interpret the Faunus Dust Mines. They aren't slaves. They work there because presumably it is hard for Faunus to get work anywhere else, and the conditions of work are extremely hazardous.
Eh, I've said this before and I'll say it again: the evil ex is not a good way to showcase a guy who lost his way cuz of racial prejudice. I would have been fine if Adam went after Blake cuz she ruined his organization and betrayed them by hanging out with humans and ruined his one last chance to make humanity pay not cuz he's salty he got dumped. As the bio indicated with him wanting to watch humanity burn, if the show spent more focus on his hatred towards humanity than being an incel, then I would see where they're going for. But it just feels so..lame and disconnected and just dumb to me. I'm sure if you show Adam to someone they wouldn't be able to tell he's meant to be a figure who lost his way. If he was in an anime that wasn't RWBY, I am certain he'd be ridiculed and hated.
If Sasuke had his family massacred but then was more focused on getting back at Sakura for dumping him or something, would you take him seriously or something?
. An evil ex is what you said, a dead weight on the narrative
The fact that Blake and Yang were just trying to get him, a murderer and a terrorist, to just simply leave is jarring and shows he's just simply a nuisance cuz he's just the crazy ex. That feels like a soap opera or something
TLDR: I think Adam has one of the most interesting backstories in the show with legit excuses that could have made him an interesting villain
It's nice to see Lionheart suffered the consequences for his actions and selling out his own people to Salem. He didn't deserve the overused redemption arc.
It's funny that Mercury, who was enjoying the chaos and carnage of the Grimm invading Beacon, is now disgusted and disturbed by Salem.
honestly I think it's because people are used to similar "badass" characters in anime getting to hang around the whole series and be treated as allies for no goddamn reasonLike, I am actually so fucking tired reading about Adam. Shitty furry Vergil is dead. He was a shit. And when all this stuff is put in front of them, people just go "well it doesn't make sense" and "he should have been this".
honestly I think it's because people are used to similar "badass" characters in anime getting to hang around the whole series and be treated as allies for no goddamn reason
It would be interesting that Emerald ends up being the one who kills Cinder.
I'd just like to say I've said before that I've never said Adam should be an anti-hero or sympathetic. I literally said villain, so it sounds like you're ignoring what I'm saying in that regard. I've agreed with you he is no saviour. I'm ok with him being purely a villain and spiteful, ala Killmonger. Killmonger is no racial saviour. Killmonger kills other Black people and works with someone like Klaw, a racist. Killmonger just wants his own agenda/payback. I'll repeat, If he went after Blake cuz she ruined his organization and last chance to make humanity suffer and died the same way, I'd be ok with that. I just think an evil ex is pretty lowscale and lame for RWBY and just not a good way to show someone consumed by hatred when they have good reasons for it.1) You keep ignoring what I'm saying. The point is not that Adam is "a victim of racial prejudice", it's that Adam used that as an excuse to lash out at anyone he felt wronged him. It didn't matter if they were human or Faunus. Remember how Emerald and Mercury murdered the bookstore owner because he was a White Fang member who wanted to leave the organization? Adam lashes out at anyone he deems wronged him. He tried to kill all the Faunus at Haven because people wouldn't side with him. That's who Adam is. He isn't a racial savior. He isn't supposed to be sympathetic. He isn't meant to show the damage prejudice can make a once good person become hateful (as seen with Ilia). His point was to show someone so far gone in terms of their hatred, that they lash out at everyone. He chased after Blake and wanted her to suffer, because she wronged him personally.
2) Because that is literally not Sasuke's character. He never returned any affection for Sakura. Where as Adam feigned affection to Blake to manipulate her. Sasuke's entire vendetta against the leaf village happened because he first wanted to kill Itachi because he killed his clan, then it turns out the Leaf Village ordered him to do it. Hell, people bash on Naruto because they constantly forgave Sasuke despite doing huge war crimes. So this whole thing of "if sasuke did it, it would be laughable" is moot because there is zero indication Sasuke would act like this, when there was indication Adam would act like this based on how he spoke with Blake in V3.
3) Because Blake and Yang don't want to have to kill him. That's the whole thing. They aren't high fiving after they DP'd him. They know that if they continue fighting Adam, one of them is going to die. Because Adam refused to let go. He got away from the law, but he still decided to go after Blake because he can't fucking let go. That's who he is. The show even badly spelt it out to the audience with the weird "you describe people with a single word" thing in V5 that Adam is "spite".
Blake thought he used to be justice, but she eventually saw he was just spite lashing out at anyone that he deemed had wronged him. He was too far gone.
Your TLDR is basically why I am so fucking tired of talking about Adam. Everytime people bring him up, it's constantly about "oh he should have been freedom fighter/abused boy/sympathetic/heroic/courageous/a hero/etc"
And then projecting because Adam died, the Faunus racism plotline is gone... when we are literally going to Atlas. Where the mines are a big focal point. Where Weiss snapped during a fundraiser where people were lowkey and high key mocking both faunus and the people of Vale. There is a huge superiority complex within Atlas. Even Cordovin made a racist remark against Blake.
Like, I am actually so fucking tired reading about Adam. Shitty furry Vergil is dead. He was a shit. And when all this stuff is put in front of them, people just go "well it doesn't make sense" and "he should have been this".
I'd just like to say I've said before that I've never said Adam should be an anti-hero or sympathetic. I literally said villain, so it sounds like you're ignoring what I'm saying in that regard. I've agreed with you he is no saviour. I'm ok with him being purely a villain and spiteful, ala Killmonger. Killmonger is no racial saviour. Killmonger kills other Black people and works with someone like Klaw, a racist. Killmonger just wants his own agenda/payback. I'll repeat, If he went after Blake cuz she ruined his organization and last chance to make humanity suffer and died the same way, I'd be ok with that. I just think an evil ex is pretty lowscale and lame for RWBY and just not a good way to show someone consumed by hatred when they have good reasons for it.
TLDR: I just don't think all this stuff is well written.
I'm curious though, you yourself said Adam is a dead weight and seem to think he's not well written, may I ask why?
I think people expecting more Faunus racism are optimistic. Miles and Kerry have said they underestimated the difficulty of writing such a subplot and it is taking a backburner. Granted, they have new writers, but I wouldn't hold my breath
1. Yes, I agree that the racial prejudice and abusive ex did not mesh well and sends the wrong message. I personally don't feel like the abusive ex made sense since IMO it was not written well, comes out of nowhere and compared to other villains...his motive is super stupid and one dimensional/self contained. He's annoying because his motivation is laughable. IMO, Adam is a mess and one of the worst written characters I've ever seen.I never said I think Adam is poorly written. I said he was messily written because the mix of having him be a character who suffered racial predjudice + the abusive ex angle feels messy due to the contrast and mixed messages it sends regarding people who are actually victims of racism. But considering they went hard in on the abusive ex side and him being spiteful, I feel what they wrote makes sense for the character. Ultimately, Adam was dead weight on the show because there are so many other villains and side plots that keeping him around would have been annoying. At the end of the day, he was a character I found annoying because I accepted the angle they decided to go with him. That he is a spiteful person who chases after those who wronged him. He didn't really care about the Faunus, just himself.
Despite Killmonger killing black people in Black Panther, he did actually seem to want to raise the standard of life for all black people (imo, this does kinda feel a bit wishy washy in the MCU since it relies heavily on people acknowledging the gap black people endure in our real life, but the MCU has literally never addressed this fact until Black Panther). Killmongers final scene is him addressing the inequality black people face. Killmonger genuinely wanted to make life better for Black people.
But Adam actively didn't care. He only cared about himself.
Basically, I accepted Adam was a shit. He was basically Joffrey. I don't think he was poorly written, but I disliked his character immensely. I am glad he is gone, because hopefully the show can move onto better things.
Also I dislike a lot of Adam fanboys because they literally refuse to accept the character was a shit, and keep going on and on that he should have been heroic/tragic/etc mostly because they think he looks cool. That's basically it. That's why I call him "shitty furry vergil". He just looks cool. But he is a shit.
There are plenty of shitty people who are the victim of institutional racism, sexism, etc. - some of them even get involved in activism.Racism topics need to be dealt with delicacy. Having an abusive hate sink also be the guy who we've seen suffer the most racism is a really risky choice and unless the writers knows in depth the effects of racism and it how it effects different people, it can be awful. Adam is supposed to be a victimized minority but he feels more like a radicalized white male, even having the incel part down. Radicilization caused by racism and radicalization done by an entitled privilige person in society are two different things and do not mesh well
I see what you mean. But my issue with Adam is he is the only one who has shown to have explicitly suffered the most out of any other Faunus, has legit reasons to hold a grudge against humanity and is the opposing side of a racism subplot, and his depiction is entirely negative and the racism which contributed to his descent isn't even addressed. I read Frantz Fanon's work on the effects of racism towards the colonized which is probably why I have issues with Adam and granted, I'm properly looking too deep into RWBY.There are plenty of shitty people who are the victim of institutional racism, sexism, etc. - some of them even get involved in activism.
Another thing, do you think its true/accurate to say that most of the people critical of Bumblebee or think Adam was badly written fall into the anti-sjw campaign? I've seen quite a number of those guys have this belief but my threads on ERA I've made on this seem to have proven otherwise but still unsure
Uh...what about their plot point from volume 5 end where they met up.......If only so we can have Yang introduce them to her girlfriend.
Please let this happen.
Uh...what about their plot point from volume 5 end where they met up.......