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Sakurai gives various details about Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's development, DLC, & more in his recent book
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Shovel Knight and Bomberman were two of them. That's why they were assist trophies and not playable.
It's not really so lucky though. Just how fun would it have been to play a beta version of a game in 2 days.
Sure, I bet he had a blast but it's not as great as we think it would be :P
Honestly, it's weird to me how Sakurai is seemingly unable to let go of Smash when he's eager to leave the other series he's worked on like Kirby and Kid Icarus behind and in general expressed his concern about the industry relying too much on sequels.
There isn't much of a realistic incentive to expect a second fighter pass. Nintendo's content plans almost never extend passed one year (Splatoon is an exception but even in those cases the post-year content is heavily reduced to mainly Splatfests and a few weapon variants). Smash also seems like an exceptionally tiring franchise to work with, and they've already stuffed the roster full of most of the important candidates.
All things considered, there's really not much left for Nintendo or Sakurai to prove once this set of characters have been rolled out.
Sakurai has already said a few times that the reason he sticks to Smash is because working with so many franchises at once is a privilege to him. Sure, he can work on something unique or another series, but getting the honors to work on multiple dozens of legendary series at once is not an opportunity that's easy to turn down.
All things considered, there's really not much left for Nintendo or Sakurai to prove once this set of characters have been rolled out.
Sakurai has already said a few times that the reason he sticks to Smash is because working with so many franchises at once is a privilege to him. Sure, he can work on something unique or another series, but getting the honors to work on multiple dozens of legendary series at once is not an opportunity that's easy to turn down.
Just saying the word Melee is enough to summon a bunch of people who hate Melee fans lmao.
This is more than Melee fans actually. This is really just Latest Smash vs Melee. It's the same battle as it's always been. It's people not respecting others have different opinions.
I personally think Melee is the best and would love a HD remaster.
Smash DLC has been heavier on non-Nintendo characters in general - perhaps because the DLC audience is typically more core-oriented and more likely to play non-Nintendo games - and Smash Ultimate has had fewer Nintendo characters to start with. I don't think that's how it's been going.
There are a few characters that had been mentioned about "adult circumstances" in the past; Banjo and Sukapon, I think, although Sukapon's come back as an assist trophy.
I don't think it's as easy as it sounds. Not every company is like Kojima, who actually approached Sakurai to insert his character into the game.
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Given the various signs of a Dragon Quest character likely getting in next, I wouldn't get your hopes up for Sephiroth.Really hoping my man makes it in as DLC. It'd be perfect timing with VIIR coming up.
Nintendo will absolutely want to do it, and I guarantee Sakurai won't want anyone else but himself to lead development.
Yeah, that was confusing for me too.
Regardless, Melee is killing it again. GOML 2019 had 68k viewers for Melee and 45k for Ultimate.
With Zain and Wizzy being able to beat HBox and a Mango and Axe grand finals, Melee is just too hype right now.
Sakurai may never get it, but he doesn't have to. We will play Melee for another 20+ years.
If Nintendo wills it, it will happen.
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I'm tired of Melee and people not being able to get over it.
With Brawl some of it was justified because Brawl, as fun as it was in casual play, did drop the ball in many places but after Smash WiiU and especially Ultimate there's no fucking reason to keep going back to Melee.
It's time to move on and I'm happy that Evo already did.
Really hoping my man makes it in as DLC. It'd be perfect timing with VIIR coming up.
I'm still salty about the omission of One Winged Angel in Smash. That's the song everybody knows from FF7, even those who haven't played it, like me.
Not precisely "hot" but an iconic, well known, and storied videogame mascot that's still somewhat relevant today and I think deserves a spot that I could see him feelingnin as dlc or on next Smash is Bomberman. I'd love to see him included.
I mean the gameplay being extremely different is a pretty good reason
I actually respect the Melee community a lot in that they set out to chisel a competitive game out of something clearly not designed to be one, and built a massive grassroots scene around it.
Where they lose the plot for me is in how intensely they tear down the rest of the series, and the aggressive way they police how they want people to play even within the existing competitive limitations (like the tantrums over Hbox).
They did a cool thing but as it ages the fans seem to be growing more and more toxic towards their own game, players, and series.
So now we know Snake was rejected (likely due to Kojima feud at the time) and that Cloud almost ruined "everyone is here" the second go around.
Still glad to see that the Snake Squad put in the work for him on the ballot.
Still glad to see that the Snake Squad put in the work for him on the ballot.
Look no further than Fire Emblem. Interest in that series went from 0 to 100 the moment Melee came out so much so that shortly after Nintendo localized the first FE.
Also? Earthbound. Millions of us had never heard about EB, let alone Ness, before Smash. And now there's a cult of people pestering NoA to localize Mother 3. We also made Mother 1 and EB's VC releases a success thanks in part for the huge publicity Smash continues to give to that series.
Never
Every time Sakurai has to say Goku won't be in Smash, Bamco and Arcsys add another version of Goku to Dragon Ball Fighter Z. Go play DBFZ, half the roste (hyperbole) is already Gokus.
If I had to wager:
Konami for Snake, Castlevania, and Bomberman. Back then they were intent on leaving the video game business (RIP Silent Hill). Luckily for us they have since changed their mind.
Square-Enix for Sora and Dragon Quest. They seem tough to work with. Getting Cloud and another SE fighter would've been impossible back then. The fact we will be getting Draqon Quest content on top of FF content in Ultimate is a miracle.
Activision-Blizzard for Crash. Simply put they are a greedy company.
Microsoft for Banjo, Steve, and Chief. The good relationship between Microsoft and Nintendo was still in its early days back then.
Where did he say Cloud almost ruined it?
And I can see Square giving the ok begrudgingly. After being told "everyone is here but Cloud and fans will notice if everyone comes back except your character" they must've give the ok almost displeased. And they clearly said yes without giving the go for anything else, that's why the FF stage still has only two fucking songs in it (same as WiiU). I guarantee the only reason a Cloud is in is because of the "everyone is here" pressure.
I like how "He wants Smash to be more casual and see non-competitive tournaments. Smash is a party game" is seen as tearing down Melee fans.
He adds more wild stages, items and assist trophies with every release so of course he sees it primarily as a party title - but he still includes options for those who wish to play it more competitively.
He adds more wild stages, items and assist trophies with every release so of course he sees it primarily as a party title - but he still includes options for those who wish to play it more competitively.
Well that and they were given a guaranteed spot on the DLC roster.
If we're getting a MS character please can we get literally anyone other than fucking Minecraft Steve? Can you imagine a Halo stage in Smash? Oh my god!
Kinda of a hypocrital thing to say.
Also. I don't see him talking bad about Melee at all. In fact he's talking Smash overall Not point out a individual game in the series.
So you want him to work to death on the games that you wanted? Sound selfish to be honest.
Just let you know if you didn't know; but he found DLC development very relaxing so it's probably only chance he had to take a "break" from stressful base game developments.
Pretty sure that Disney has all the copyrights regarding Kingdom Hearts. If Sakurai wanted anything from that franchise, he would have to deal with the House of Mouse.
Yeah. SE when they do crossovers, it's always as DLC. So what better way to entice SE to let Cloud be in the base game and not day-one DLC then by giving them a spot on the small DLC roster? And what better series to use than DQ? SE and Nintendo have tried very hard to make it popular outside of Japan to no avail. Why not use Smash? it worked for Fire Emblem and Earthbound.
That was the comment that was supposed to tear down Melee fans? I think everyone acknowledges Smash is a party game, it's only an issue when people claim it's not a fighting game by saying it's a party game, which is kind of silly.
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Where does he say Cloud almost ruined everyone is here?
Is there more stuff that isn't being reported in this thread?
Sure. But I doubt Nintendo would go over SE's head and add Sora in without getting their blessing. Would be a scummy move.
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Between Sakurai's previous statements about almost not being able to bring everyone back & Cloud being the last character in the game's files, it's likely that Sakurai cut it close on getting Square-Enix's approval for Cloud to return.
What would a casual, non-competitive tournament look like? I mean, yes you could change the rules to items etc, but it sounds like he's rather talking about the players not the rules. "You can participate if you range from bad to good, but not TOO good"?