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Source: Famitsu (translated by PushDustIn & Robert Sephazon on Twitter)
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Special thanks to PushDustIn for the translation. I'll add the full translation when it becomes available.
Source: Famitsu (translated by PushDustIn & Robert Sephazon on Twitter)
Shouldn't we wait for the full Famitsu column before starting the discussion?
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If only Nintendo added an ethernet port into the Switch dock, maybe so many people wouldn't use wi-fi.
Yes, I much prefer a character teleporting here and there than 2fps online matches
Hard to imagine what would have been worse than the current state of smash online. Also this quote will be hilarious if someone makes it happen solo in 10-15 years(although it might be far more unlikely given I don't think ultimate draws the same passionate following.).
Smash is a fairly unique, and rather chaotic sort of game, that also has to run on somewhat constraining hardware. It's possible that rollback just wasn't a feasible solution, between potential for desyncs with items and random effects, and the need for a performance overhead that the Switch can't reliably provide.
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ARMS says hi. Hell, fans even added rollback netcode to Melee.
Now, I don't know much about net code, but does rollback work for four player matches? I was under the impression that the Melee mod with rollback only supported two and wouldn't work for four, or was that not a technical limitation and rather just because that fanbase would generally only care about 1v1?
Random effects can easily be synched by generating the same seed for all players on match start, and then randomness for each player is determined from that seed
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Again, ARMS has rollback & handles chaotic 4-player fights just fine.
To be fair, that's the only native option on Switch. And Smash's netcode isn't good regardless.
That's right, but talking about 2fps matches is an exaggeration that isn't needed. Whoever has some hours in Ultimate will tell you that the big problem with the online mode are the extra 6-7 frames of input delay, not the framerate or whatever.
The Slippi mod has the advantage of being made with very specific purposes in mind and also running on what is essentially limitless hardware. I'm genuinely curious whether retrofitting rollback at this point into Ultimate may be a struggle because of the hardware it's on (imagine running four player Ice Climbers dittos on one of the resource intensive levels with items on). Plus at least 50% of the player base being wi-fi and all.
while i understand that implementing rollback is hard and does take some time they really should have put in that extra time and effort to get it in, Wi-Fi gonna Wi-Fi especially on Switch but that doesn't mean you shouldn't put the effort into it
Do you have an official source on Arms having rollback?
Either way, Arms is a completely different game. What works for one game may not work as well for others.
And speaking of Melee rollback, doing this via an emulation layer is a different thing than implementing it natively into a game running on actual hardware. Not to mention with fan works there are no development deadlines and budgets involved.
Not saying Smash's online shouldn't be massively better (it should) but it's not as simple as pressing the "add rollback" button.
They should force all Smash developers to play their own game online for a week and then go to Melee with rollback
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If this was post-launch, I'd understand. Even NRS noted how hard it was. But the "during development" part implies that this was pre-launch, so they don't have that excuse.
No it doesn't. Development of Smash is still ongoing, and based on these excerpts he's specifically talking about improvements being made in the preesent.
Ultimate had a tight development and the main goal was bringing back all the fighters. There were compromises in a lot of area from the least amount of new stages in the history of the series to the removal of trophies. Concentrating on rollback might have come at the cost of other areas in the game. Some things had to give.
Can you please stop pushing that narrative ? We already have people that worked on implementing rollback that said that rollback could deal with the items hazards and the Switch hardware.
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If that was the case, he would have said something like "we did recently look into the possibility".
Sounds like you're making an assumption based on how you would have worded it.
Nothing I stated in my post was a false claim. Never said rollback was impossible, don't put words into my mouth.
I mean I play Melee netplay on wifi on a not amazing gaming laptop (probably still a good bit more powerful than the Switch? But I know some other people play on much weaker hardware), and it's still many tiers above Ultimate's online. If they couldn't get four player ICs matches running they could have at least tried doing it exclusively with a more simple mode (maybe if they included an option like Smash 4's "For Glory" and made the only FD stage one with a simplistic background).
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Usually Sakurai speaks of "during development" as past tense in interviews, more often than not during the base game.
People mention Slippi's mod but they even stated that it would absolutely not be a trivial task to actually put it in Smash Ultimate. It's absolutely possible to implement it, but retrofitting rollback netcode into a game is very expensive. And even Slippi's mod is only 1vs1 without any items. And even some stages were disabled (Pokémon stadium transformations) because it wouldn't work properly (haven't checked if newer updates have enabled it).
It's expensive, yeah. But it's not really our problem, don't you think ? NRS did it without asking a dime because they knew that the netcode they pushed with the game release was bad.
And the netcode improvements he talked about already happened, so it's past tense. Extrapolating an assumption that he's referring to pre-release is faulty logic because development refers to the overall sense, especially since you lack the context of the full column in the first place.
this is from Sakurai famitsu column, he talks about a bunch of different stuff in these columns which isn't always about Smash Bros. Don't think this is some sort of proof of news coming
And time consuming, I wouldn't be surprised Ultimate would have been delayed by quite some time. Often, retrofitting rollback in an existing game is rewriting how each frame is rendered. For 1vs1 only it would take time but doable. But with all the items and chaos of smash it becomes way more complicated. And I'm not sure there's really other games with similar amounts of stuff going on that have rollback.
Like Keits (that worked on Killer Instinct) said, rollback can deal with everything in Smash, all the items hazards, all the interactions. And the Switch hardware can deal with it. I know it's a lot of work and money, but at the end of the day, it's all about fixing issues for the customer that bought the game :/
Its not our problem, but "adverse side effects" is code for "we don't have the time or money to refactor"
Yeah, and it sucks. It's the only thing missing from Ultimate, and in these COVID days, man... i wish we had a good way to play online.
Eh, think it's kinda ridiculous to expect people to use LAN on the switch though. 1 being it has no LAN port on the dock and needing to buy another attachment. 2 being It's meant to be a portable device.
I've played fighting games on wifi with other games too and not had as bad of an experience as I've had with smash bros, so I think there's something more SSB could be doing.
I've played fighting games on wifi with other games too and not had as bad of an experience as I've had with smash bros, so I think there's something more SSB could be doing.
Yeah i think the day Yuzu will run it perfectly, it's going to be a really big thing.
I don't get it. What has Sakurai said in his column that makes people think that we are getting a character this week?
People are thinking something may happen this week because they still haven't posted the weekly spirit/tourney event.
