There is nothing objectionable about this post given what this thread is about.
Salman Rushdie attacked at a lecture in New York (Upd: Off ventilator and talking)
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There is nothing objectionable about this post given what this thread is about.
I hit report and said I think the mods jumped the gun. Maybe if enough of us do.
Will probably get banned for this myself, but I have to say, what a ridiculous and egregious ban. At no point does the poster imply that religious fundamentalism is an Islam-only problem, they clearly referred to blasphemy specifically, which is indeed a problem with some Islamic countries handing out international death sentences for.
It's also ridiculous that Islamophobia, on its own, is a bannable offence in a thread about an ex-Muslim atheist being grievously wounded for writing fiction considered by some to be Islamophobic. The same man who wrote "Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect."
Agree, what's going on here, some reversed both sides or whataboutism shit?
mods have some x-ray vision here to read things that aren't even in the post
Yeah I'm going to have to second that a three month ban over this post is kind of insane.
Nothing in this post qualifies as any of the supposed offenses.
Don't want to turn this thread towards an other topic but that ban is ridiculous. I hope some Admin had the balls to justify its reasoning publicly.
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Is there a more detailed explanation you can provide on the ban of Acetown?
edit: and can the mod/mods who decided on the ban please be identified?
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Is there a more detailed explanation you can provide on the ban of Acetown?
edit: and can the mod/mods who decided on the ban please be identified?
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I'd love to read a further justification of that ban, not that I'm entitled to it or anything. All I read was fact, fact, fact, informed opinion, neutral observation and fact.
Also want to say the ban is disgusting. I teach subjects like this as part of a Sociology degree and the arguments in that post are part of commonly taught, respected peer-reviewed articles and monographs. If the mod wants to let us know who they are I could send them over and they could try and get the authors of those banned too if they like.
Perhaps the mod could have just posted an analysis of why exactly that post seemed problematic to them, with a rebuttal using their own evidenced argumentation, if they were capable.
Perhaps the mod could have just posted an analysis of why exactly that post seemed problematic to them, with a rebuttal using their own evidenced argumentation, if they were capable.
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There's definitely a mod here who lacks any semblance of objectivity and is prone to childish knee jerk reactions whenever something they don't personally like has been posted.
Look you're asking for an objective discussion of an issue when clearly immediately silencing all thought crime is the more appropriate way to go.
Can't personally see why this is at all deserving of a 3-month ban, especially for the reason cited.
Admins maybe you can chime in?
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Guys, let me point out that the user literally says, "I feel like the question of blasphemy and free speech has become one of the biggest points of contention between the west and the islamic world." We have this same issue IN the western world. It manifests itself as transphobia, homophobia, book bannings across America, anti-choice rhetoric, misogyny, and various other bigotries. A vast majority of it is religiously driven. Violence against LGBTQ+ people is religiously driven.
The poster was banned because they implied the religious fanaticism that results in violence was just a problem in Muslim countries. They said it was a point of contention between the West and the Islamic word. It very clearly isn't, we have the same issues to an extent, and the implication that it is exclusive to the Islamic world, is kinda bigoted.
If you'll notice, plenty of posters talked about religious fanaticism and didn't get banned. It's more than possible to have this discussion without white washing anything or implying that the problem is exclusive to one group of people.
Salman Rushdie did not deserve to be attacked and Iran was in the wrong for putting out a hit on the man just because he criticized their leader. What's happened to him after writing that book is unconscionable and indefensible, but that doesn't make bigotry ok. We can criticize the actions that led to this attack without being bigots. It's not a high bar to clear and pretty much everyone else in this thread has managed to clear it. We aren't asking a lot.
The poster was banned because they implied the religious fanaticism that results in violence was just a problem in Muslim countries. They said it was a point of contention between the West and the Islamic word. It very clearly isn't, we have the same issues to an extent, and the implication that it is exclusive to the Islamic world, is kinda bigoted.
If you'll notice, plenty of posters talked about religious fanaticism and didn't get banned. It's more than possible to have this discussion without white washing anything or implying that the problem is exclusive to one group of people.
Salman Rushdie did not deserve to be attacked and Iran was in the wrong for putting out a hit on the man just because he criticized their leader. What's happened to him after writing that book is unconscionable and indefensible, but that doesn't make bigotry ok. We can criticize the actions that led to this attack without being bigots. It's not a high bar to clear and pretty much everyone else in this thread has managed to clear it. We aren't asking a lot.
Nowhere in Acetown's post is it framed as being 'exclusive to the Islamic world.' You're imagining something that isn't there.
Nothing about the quote you're focusing on implies anything else you said to be untrue.
Fuck, just read about the Japanese translator being murdered like that and the Japanese government being too cowardly to extradite the suspect. POS.
Come on, they don't though. They are pointing out the root of the tension in the (supposed) cultural clash. No where do they say, suggest, or imply it is just or only a Muslim problem.
Nobody, including the person who was banned, said or implied it's an exclusively Islamic problem. Focusing specifically on the topic as it relates to Islam in this thread makes sense, considering the thread's subject., but that doesn't mean anyone here thinks the rest of the world doesn't have similar issues as well, nor does it mean that anyone here is thinking or implying that all Muslims or the Islamic religion as a whole are at fault or something.
How hard is it to admit that a mod fucked up?
This is a dogshit reply.
Here's a thought, maybe instead of dropping a 3 month ban over something you feel was implied, ask the user to clarify first. Holy shit.
Nowhere in the posters comment did they imply religious fanaticism was a solely Muslim problem.
The ban makes no sense at all.
Rushdie is one of my favorite authors. Remember when he was banned from book festivals in India and Islamists wanted him to be banned from visiting India and Rushdie was like fuck you, I can visit whenever I want, I am Indian. He did get banned from book festivals however, for safety and security reasons. Brave man. I hope he pulls through and is able to recover from his injuries.
I am really sorry, but this is absolutely insane. Both the initial ban and this awful response.
The logical outcome of the justification for the ban would be that in any discussion of the growing threat and reality of neofascist, Christian-inspired violence against marginalized groups in the United States would have to be accompanied by a disclaimer about Islamist-inspired violence elsewhere.
Which is simply ludicrous.
Which is simply ludicrous.
I don't see this whatsoever. I understand what you're saying, but it is simply not true. He does not deserve to be banned.