Scientist here. I previously mentioned that we couldn't reliably tell male vs female brains apart by sex. What makes you think we know anything about gender?
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Sam Smith comes out as non-binary (see staff post for discussion guidelines)
- Thread starter Khaos Prime
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Scientist here. I previously mentioned that we couldn't reliably tell male vs female brains apart by sex. What makes you think we know anything about gender?
No, they did not declare to be a plural entity. Sam Smith still functions as a singular pronoun just as any other name.
I actually feel more disonnance calling a non-binary person "Sam" (which feels gendered given their former identity) than using "they," which I have zero problem with at all.
Oh! Maybe I should just think "it's short for both Samantha and Samuel." Duh
When my sister identified as non-binary for awhile, she changed her name at the same time. Now she just identifies female again but she kept her androgynous name. Ya never know.
Oh! Maybe I should just think "it's short for both Samantha and Samuel." Duh
When my sister identified as non-binary for awhile, she changed her name at the same time. Now she just identifies female again but she kept her androgynous name. Ya never know.
Holy fucking shit.
Nah. No fucking way. I'm out. If I don't get the fuck out of this discussion I'm going to be banned for responding genuinely to this fucking bait.
The singular they has existed since before you were born, and non-binary folks have been using it for a long time, and will continue to use it. The only people here without understanding here are folks like you who want to police the language non-binary people use to describe themselves.
I can see what you're saying, but transphobic people are going to believe whatever they want to believe whether they've had any way to verify it or not. The idea behind why they're always yelling about chromosomes ties into that, as the vast majority of people will never have a karyotype test in any way, but they're confident that they know what's happening inside of every person they see on a genetic level. I don't think we should be afraid of learning more about who we are and what makes us tick out of fear of how bigots will use it, as they will always find ways to hurt us. But, I can understand the concern at the same time. It's definitely something to keep in mind for the future.
It is not your choice what pronouns people identify with. They/them has been used for a long time as a singular pronoun in language and quite a few nonbinary people use it for themselves. Telling someone that you wish they were using a different pronoun than the one that they are is pretty insulting and it's why you're receiving a lot of backlash.
Every single person have a specific name. Society managed to survive until now. Wouldn't be different for pronouns.
Holy SHIT
You know murdering people with words is illegal, right? XD
god bless all the real heroes in this thread explaining in good faith what non-binary identities are to people who clearly do not care to learn
ETA: happy for sam smith! i'm really happy that we're getting to a point as a society where well-known celebrities feel comfortable coming out as GNC
ETA: happy for sam smith! i'm really happy that we're getting to a point as a society where well-known celebrities feel comfortable coming out as GNC
The only thing that was bait was you implying that Sam was attempting to redefine the English language on their own as if the singular they hasn't been used for year in both non-binary and other contexts.
Before your edit, it's all I think about. All the fucking time. It haunts me.
They can use whatever to describe themselves.
It isn't what they identify themselves with that's the issue I have. What's the issue you ask? I've made it quite clear already.
quite a reaction you're having to old news
singular they is absolutely permissible as Sam requests it
It's impressive how many people suddenly care about pronouns.
Adapt. Language and Culture changes. There are no valuable defenses that require us to look backwards. The only thing we lose by understanding is ignorance and fear.
Adapt. Language and Culture changes. There are no valuable defenses that require us to look backwards. The only thing we lose by understanding is ignorance and fear.
Look your quote doesn't disprove anything I said. Gender = Sex. And yes there is a spectrum when it comes to Male and Female.
Even being a gay man and completely accepting of everyone, neither do I honestly. I don't think I ever will either, but I'm glad he's happy.
They're not surprised, they're just being intentionally obtuse and transphobic. It's pretty clear.
If they prefer them, yes.
Oops! I misread that (didn't see the 'how').
It's easy. Ask the person. If you try and you fail and are sincerely respectful, people will be happy to clarify. :)
Sorry to bring it up. I didn't mean to be accusatory or anything. I'm a scientist (in-training) so the limitations of our understanding of gender identity and the ethical considerations of that knowledge are a bit in the forefront of my mind. At the end of the day, any transphobe who invokes biology clearly has no idea what they're fucking talking about, and much like a creationist will look for the gaps in the fossil record, a transphobe is going to point at any absence of evidence as evidence of absence.
Do you see how people jump on me? What he identifies with isn't the issue is it because SAM SMITH ISN'T FUCKING HERE.
I was being quite reasonable with my explanation, but it isn't the opinion you wanted to hear was it? It isn't what Sam Smith wants, it's what you want for Sam Smith that matters the most to you.
I was being quite reasonable with my explanation, but it isn't the opinion you wanted to hear was it? It isn't what Sam Smith wants, it's what you want for Sam Smith that matters the most to you.
Except it doesn't. This also isn't true:
None of this changes the fact that Sam deserved to get their ass sued for ripping off Tom Petty
His name still functions the same way in relation to verbs.
It does matter because trans and non-binary people are here in the thread talking about their experiences with misgendering, and what it's like for people to tell them that their pronouns aren't valid. Sam Smith wants you to use They/Them, and they have explicitly said this in the OP. So, please use them and stop trying to tell us what you specifically want non-binary people to do.
I SAID YOU CAN USE IT IN THE SINGULAR (but it depends on the context).
Fuck. God fucking damn.
People are jumping on you because your arguement is you are bad at English and singular They is hard....
how are you being reasonable when you straight up said Sam didn't have an understanding of the English language when they came out? can you not see how insulting that is?
Let's go even one step further and get rid of sex altogether
I can't believe it's almost 2020 and we're still hung up on this bullshit.
I'm sorry that you're having to deal with that BS. Transphobic assholes. Not sure if you're into hugs but here's one from me to you. *hugz*
im noticing its hard not to accidentally settle back into things, even when you're attempting to be respectful
its kind of like autopilot
Again that is not true.
In the ways that you might find the misuse of pronouns to be offensive I find the shit you're saying to me to be beyond that.
You're simplifying and flattening the meaning of things I say. That shit I really really fucking hate.
It's alright, it shouldn't be surprising. I'll gladly take one though thank you ☺
Okay, you're probably gonna get banned soon, but I want you to define biological sex for me. Go on, impress this biologist.