Even being a gay man and completely accepting of everyone, neither do I honestly. I don't think I ever will either, but I'm glad he's happy.
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Even being a gay man and completely accepting of everyone, neither do I honestly. I don't think I ever will either, but I'm glad he's happy.
SonicFox thread wen the exact same way So no surprise. We got a looooooong way to go. :/why did i know when i saw the title of this thread and that it had 7 pages it would be a shit show.
I have zero issue with how someone wishes to indentify themselves as it doesn't affect me personally but how is a singular person identifying in the plural sense? What am i missing? It is grammatically incorrect.
Humans and other mammals, males typically carry an X and a Y chromosome (XY), whereas females typically carry two X chromosomes (XX), which are a part of the XY sex-determination system.Okay, you're probably gonna get banned soon, but I want you to define biological sex for me. Go on, impress this biologist.
Do you see how people jump on me? What he identifies with isn't the issue is it because SAM SMITH ISN'T FUCKING HERE.
I was being quite reasonable with my explanation, but it isn't the opinion you wanted to hear was it? It isn't what Sam Smith wants, it's what you want for Sam Smith that matters the most to you.
Of course. I always come locked and loaded with hugs. 😀It's alright, it shouldn't be surprising. I'll gladly take one though thank you ☺
Okay we seriously need a threadmark here for people to do the most minimal level of reading before posting because I've had enough of this shit looping.I have zero issue with how someone wishes to indentify themselves as it doesn't affect me personally but how is a singular person identifying in the plural sense? What am i missing? It is grammatically incorrect.
It is extremely easy for me to say. Native speakers typically do not have to learn the rules of the language they speak. It is a subconscious understanding and because of that they put little thought into its usage.how are you being reasonable when you straight up said Sam didn't have an understanding of the English language when they came out? can you not see how insulting that is?
*sighhhhhhh* I knew from the ducking beginning you'd be one of those assholes but bring up this bullshit. What fucking year is this?Humans and other mammals, males typically carry an X and a Y chromosome (XY), whereas females typically carry two X chromosomes (XX), which are a part of the XY sex-determination system.
Humans and other mammals, males typically carry an X and a Y chromosome (XY), whereas females typically carry two X chromosomes (XX), which are a part of the XY sex-determination system.
In the ways that you might find the misuse of pronouns to be offensive I find the shit you're saying to me to be beyond that.
You're simplifying and flattening the meaning of things I say. That shit I really really fucking hate.
I can guarantee you us non-binary folks have spent waaaay longer thinking about pronouns than most people. This really isn't a blind spot for us.It is extremely easy for me to say. Native speakers typically do not have to learn the rules of the language they speak. It is a subconscious understanding and because of that they put little thought into its usage.
Totally agreed. It's really nice to see. :)It's nice to see someone prominent be confident in moving toward they/them openly. The second half of the tweet is so heavily relatable.
Official Staff CommunicationWe understand that the concept of being non-binary is new to many people. However, non-binary people deserve the same respect that anyone else does, and as such, we feel it is important to set guidelines so that discussion in this thread can be informed and civil:
*Representation is important and is something to celebrate, so avoid making dismissive comments.
*Respect people's preferred pronouns. Language is continually evolving, and derails arguing that (they/them/their) is singular will lead to a ban. For reference, the AP Style Book, which is a standard that many copy-editors and writers use, allows for the use of they/them/their for non-binary people.
*Be respectful and kind in how you approach discussions about this subject.
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Thank you, mods. One minor quibble: they're not preferred pronouns but *correct* pronouns. :)
Doesn't this imply that anyone who prefers different pronouns is wrong?
Doesn't this imply that anyone who prefers different pronouns is wrong?
No. It's more to clarify for cis people like myself that it's not a preference.Doesn't this imply that anyone who prefers different pronouns is wrong?
I don't get what's so hard about respecting people's identity lol. I swear you always get people commin outta the wood works to try and "UhM aCTuaLlY" people every time they reveal something personal about themselves.
It does not. Saying preferred pronouns implies that they're just that- a preference. In actuality, using any other pronouns aside from they/them for Sam would be totally inaccurate. That's why it's so important for a lot of people to make sure everybody is aware of their pronouns- it doesn't feel good to be misgendered.
No, the argument against using the term preferred pronouns is that cis people have pronouns while trans people have preferred pronouns. It comes with the implication that while trans people prefer a set of pronouns, it's acceptable to use others.
No. It's more to clarify for cis people like myself that it's not a preference.
Ok so just so I'm clear, when I first saw FeistyBoots say "they're not preferred pronouns but *correct* pronouns. :)" I assumed that meant "They/them is the correct pronoun for non-binary people and any NB people who disagree are wrong"
But what seems to be the case is ya'll are saying "the pronouns you prefer are the correct pronouns"
Is this the case?
Sure, everyone has preferences. I prefer to identify as he/him
Ok so just so I'm clear, when I first saw FeistyBoots say "they're not preferred pronouns but *correct* pronouns. :)" I assumed that meant "They/them is the correct pronoun for non-binary people and any NB people who disagree are wrong"
But what seems to be the case is y'all are saying "the pronouns you identify with are correct pronouns"
Is this the case?
My native language doesn't have gendered pronouns, but posting on English speaking forums has made the usage of they pretty effortless. Not everyone has their gender specified in their profile (nor does it show what pronouns people prefer) and usually I don't take the time to check anyway, so I'll just default to they. I originally started to do this since I didn't want to accidentally call women as men, doesn't make for welcoming community if people talk like everyone would be a man (this happens a lot even at Era). I then wasn't even really aware of non-binary, it's still relatively new concept for me and I'm still learning. Big thanks to Era and previously GAF that I'm more aware now, still definitely not an expert and will be likely to trip on some things in the future.I'm surprised people find "they" to be such a controversial term to use to refer to a singular person. I tend to use "they" when speaking about babies I don't know the gender of, so it doesn't feel weird to me at all.
I assume that using "they" can't be considered as misgendering? So it's always safe to use it to not make someone feel uncomfortable?
Yeah I was thinking that not everyone wants people to pry on things like that, it can be a sensitive subject and people might not want to be open about it to everyone. Of course if I knew the person and what their pronouns are, I would use that pronoun. I generally feel that they is inclusive language, so it's good.That'll depend on the context, I think. I've had people who know my pronouns are she/her repeatedly use they/them when referring to me (in my presence, at that). That makes me really uncomfortable because it's as if those people don't acknowledge my gender. If somebody doesn't know though, and you don't want to put somebody on the spot by asking their pronouns, I think defaulting to they/them is usually a safe idea.
It's not just about appreciating and respecting it though, that's fair enough.Me neither, but if he feels better that way we should appreciate and respect it, right?
Ok so just so I'm clear, when I first saw FeistyBoots say "they're not preferred pronouns but *correct* pronouns. :)" I assumed that meant "They/them is the correct pronoun for non-binary people and any NB people who disagree are wrong"
But what seems to be the case is y'all are saying "the pronouns you identify with are correct pronouns"
Is this the case?
It's not a minefield, if you're making an honest attempt and make a mistake no one is going to be upset. It's only a "minefield" to people looking for it to be one.
Indeed, it's really no different from trying to remember someone's name. Like, as long as you're making a genuine attempt, people will typically understand if you're someone who's very terrible at remembering names (or if someone has a very unusual or difficult to pronounce name). It's very much similar to that--as long as you're trying your best and not ignoring someone's wishes intentionally, it's fine. The important thing is making the effort to try.It's not a minefield, if you're making an honest attempt and make a mistake no one is going to be upset. It's only a "minefield" to people looking for it to be one.