I watched episode 1 but I've just had a lot more interesting media to watch the past few days before episode 2 - the first episode seemed decent enough but it just didn't make me super eager to watch episode 2.
It is not a gotcha, it is a call for introspection. Which will naturally raise people's defensive shackles, of course. I appreciate your effort in writing all of this!I did exactly what you asked (internally asked myself why) and here is my very honest reply.
Also FTR not trying to be defensive here as I'm actually enjoying Ms Marvel thus far despite it feeling very YA to me.
I should state I am also born and bred in NJ and actually lived in JC for a year and a half when I went to college in NYC and could no longer afford Manhattan.
I'm a sucker for whenever Jersey gets any shine so I would be watching Ms Marvel strictly on the strength of it taking place not,only in NJ but also a city I not only grew up by but also lived in for a little while.
I personally have a higher tolerance for Spider-Man feeling more YA as he is a character I have grown up with damn near the past 50 years.
I am 47 years old and saw my first Spider-Man comic when I was 2 or 3. I was attempting to draw him when I was 4 years old.
Spider-Man to me is a beloved character who has been a part of my entire life and also happens to be synonymous with Marvel itself.
So while I no doubt also feel the movies that revolve around him also feel very YA, I am more lenient and accepting with that fact as I actually very much equate being a fan of the character with my entire life, especially the younger part of my life.
Simply put, nostalgia is a hell of a thing.
Kamala, since I do still read some Marvel comics on occasion (I skew way more "indy" and have for the past 25 years), I am aware of the fact she is not a brand new character, I also knew she was from JC and is Muslim, but that is basically the extent of my knowledge on the character. I've never read any of her comics. So truth be told even after watching and enjoying the first 2 episodes, I still am not sure (yet also intrigued) by what her powers actually are.
This is why I no doubt feel more aware while I am watching her show it has a more YA feel to me. I am less lenient towards accepting this fact as I have no nostalgia of emotional ties to her character itself. So it is way more apparent to me it feels YA.
Again to reiterate , I am also aware Spider-Man also has a YA vibe as well, but it is easier for me to accept simply because it is a character I have known and loved not just since I myself was a YA, but since I was a toddler and infant.
And it really is that and nothing else. I am still watching and enjoying Ms Marvel. It is just a bit more difficult to accept the YA vibe as an adult.
And honestly I was not even going to reply as your comment is posed to me in a way to be more of a gotcha statement and there is only incorrect answers to it. However I really do not think that is the case for myself personally.
I just can more easily accept that Spider-Man also has a YA vibe to it because I have literally grown up with the character and because of that and my attachment to the character always being a part of my life, I am way more lenient and willing to overlook the fact that he too feels pretty YA and there is no denying that fact.
Really hope I explained that all so it makes some sense and did not come off as defensive or whatever. That is not my intent. Just truly trying to explain that why as a 47 year old while I recognize both character have a YA vibe to them, it is much easier for me to overlook Spider-Man since he has always been in my life. And I no doubt recognize a lot of that is on me. Just as I said, nostalgia is damn powerful.
I remember lots of people asking for the return of adult Peter Parker. I didn't like Tom Holland's Peter Parker, it was too kiddy. I much prefer Tobey Maguire's and Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker.I beg some people within this thread to internally ask themselves why seeing the teenage adventures of Kamala Khan makes them think, "This is for teen girls only," while the teenage adventures of Peter Parker is met with, "ah, this is for all ages and genders!"
Preach. The dismissal of the show because it's "for a younger audience" while they're all totally fine with Spider-Man navigating high school life is frustrating to say the least.
I really don't get why Spiderman keeps getting brought up as it really is a bad comparison. Next ppl will be comparing Ironheart to Spiderman and any other relatively new unknown teen.Why? What is frustrating about someone deciding not to watch a show for their own reasons? Why let it bother you?
It's been pointed out multiple times that Spider-Man is a shit comparison too. You are referring to the world's most popular superhero who has been around for decades.
You can't really blame people. I mean look at the style of the trailer...
...starts with a young teen girl writing in her journal, then talking to her guidance counselor.....with cartoon speech bubbles , love hearts drawn on the screen when talking about/seeing boys, dream sequences about being a superhero, wearing a tiara with glitter falling around her, dream sequences about hot boys with roses in their mouths, devil horns drawn on a girl she doesn't like/doesn't like her.
It screams "not for you" to a good chunk of the usual Marvel audience.
Some slight tonal changes and they could have aimed it at a much wider audience pretty easily.
I'll watch it eventually..but the style from the trailer is offputting.
Yeah, there is a distinction there that a lot of people miss. For example, I think among Marvel fare, Cloak and Dagger and Runaways are their most blatantly "aimed at a younger demographic" shows, but both have some pretty edgy content - drugs, sex, that sort of thing. Content that you don't usually even get in the PG-13 movies. There's wide gaps between children's shows, "young adult" shows, teen shows...What? Teen coming of age is one of my favorite genres, but there's a difference between Disney Channel high school and a show like Sex Education. The demographics they're made for are completely different. Ms. Marvel seems more like a tween show, and that's great, there should be good content for that age group.
I haven't started it yet. With Stranger Things, Better Call Saul, The Boys & Kenobi, it's been on the back burner and I want to watch Multiverse of Madness first when it hits Disney+. I doubt there's any crossover whatsoever there but I want to see MCU chronologically by release.
Don't forget that she's a huge fan of Captain Marvel. That's gotta be like 2 or 3 strikes in and of itself for those people. lolThis show really has it all for chuds to have it in their sights:
Not to mention all the full-on, accurate (according to others) Muslim representation outside of the Khan family. Also the, "it's marketed for kids and teens" stuff.
- Woman as the lead
- Young woman as the lead
- Young woman of color as the lead
- Young woman of color as the lead with her South Asian family
- Young woman of color as the lead with her South Asian family who are all Muslim
Like, I'm pretty sure adults can enjoy literally any piece of entertainment they want to, regardless of who it's aimed at.
People just calling it a teen drama is just fucking dum
It has story lines that deal with what is a huge historical point in south eat Asi
It touches on the issues woman POC face in historically patriarchal societie
The smell of not watching and writing it of as a teen drama is stron
Don't forget that she's a huge fan of Captain Marvel. That's gotta be like 2 or 3 strikes in and of itself for those people. lol
For some people...yes, it is the best MCU show for them.I haven't started yet but people are concluding its the best show after 2 episodes?
Yep, it dropped into very competitive "time slot". It looks intended for younger audience. It's an unknown (relatively speaking) character and the show doesn't have the star power of Moon Knight.Yea timing matters too.
I'm sure there would be some of that from some portion of potential viewers. But I think the other factors mentioned + dropping it when some of the biggest shows that audience would be also interested in (Stranger Things, The Boys, Ozark part 2 coming soon, Obi, etc.) have come out at the same time pulling away a lot of that attention away from this project are the bigger factors.
In retrospect, I don't know if I've seen any marketing for this show outside of threads here.
I'm sure everyone is aware it can still fall apart (like Ranking of Kings!!!!), but they're really just saying the first episode was better realized than any other individual episode of other Marvel shows.I haven't started yet but people are concluding its the best mcu show after 2 episodes?
Out of curiosity, what was wrong with Captain Marvel? Saw it in the theaters and thought it was good but not great Marvel movie. There wasn't anything particularly bad about it though.Don't forget that she's a huge fan of Captain Marvel. That's gotta be like 2 or 3 strikes in and of itself for those people. lol
Brie Larson said:Out of curiosity, what was wrong with Captain Marvel? Saw it in the theaters and thought it was good but not great Marvel movie. There wasn't anything particularly bad about it though.
Some people just being upset at female lead? If so that's just weird since Wonder Woman (first movie) was pretty popular (and also, good but not great comic book movie).
The difference is tone, it doesn't help that Kamala seems to be written much younger than 16. Compare it to the Stargirl show which is another teenage girl super-hero show. Stargirl is supposed to be younger than Kamala but you don't get the feeling it's intentionally aimed at teenagers like Ms Marvel is. IIRC Stargirl opens with the JSA being murdered, Ms Marvel opens with an animation sequence which made me feel 200 years old.Preach. The dismissal of the show because it's "for a younger audience" while they're all totally fine with Spider-Man navigating high school life is frustrating to say the least.
Interesting, didn't follow any of that, but yeah I can see it triggering some people for whatever reasons.Brie Larson said:
"I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work for him," using "A Wrinkle In Time" as an example. "It wasn't made for him! I want to know what that film meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color."
So, obviously, rage ensued among the usual figures. Had nothing to do with the actual movie.
You can't really blame people. I mean look at the style of the trailer...
...starts with a young teen girl writing in her journal, then talking to her guidance counselor.....with cartoon speech bubbles , love hearts drawn on the screen when talking about/seeing boys, dream sequences about being a superhero, wearing a tiara with glitter falling around her, dream sequences about hot boys with roses in their mouths, devil horns drawn on a girl she doesn't like/doesn't like her.
It screams "not for you" to a good chunk of the usual Marvel audience.
Some slight tonal changes and they could have aimed it at a much wider audience pretty easily.
I'll watch it eventually..but the style from the trailer is offputting.
Plus she's not traditional "eye candy" so to speak. I think a lot of people are fooling themselves if they say people don't watch "teenage dramas" for the eye candy, it's what the CW is built on, and this show purposefully avoids that (which is great).This show really has it all for chuds to have it in their sights:
Not to mention all the full-on, accurate (according to others) Muslim representation outside of the Khan family. Also the, "it's marketed for kids and teens" stuff.
- Woman as the lead
- Young woman as the lead
- Young woman of color as the lead
- Young woman of color as the lead with her South Asian family
- Young woman of color as the lead with her South Asian family who are all Muslim
Like, I'm pretty sure adults can enjoy literally any piece of entertainment they want to, regardless of who it's aimed at.
More like away from Obi WanDoesn't really feel like there's much of a draw for this show. Content and direction wise it's pretty good, but it's also a bit of a bore so far, and doesn't really have the hooks that previous shows had. I wasn't even aware that it had started airing until episode 2 was already out so it seemingly got buried by Obi Wan a bit. Even on the Disney+ app it didn't seem super clearly advertised.
Maybe this should have been released after The Marvels, rather than before?
In an ensemble film like the Marvels, there wouldn't be very much time to devote to Kamala Khan's family. And the thing is, her character is her family, so switching the introduction would cripple her characterization. Besides, Ms. Marvel is one of the best and most visually interesting projects to ever come out of the MCU so it's perfectly fine at standing on its own. Even if the audience is smaller at the beginning, it'll only grow if the quality manages to hold up.Doesn't really feel like there's much of a draw for this show. Content and direction wise it's pretty good, but it's also a bit of a bore so far, and doesn't really have the hooks that previous shows had. I wasn't even aware that it had started airing until episode 2 was already out so it seemingly got buried by Obi Wan a bit. Even on the Disney+ app it didn't seem super clearly advertised.
Maybe this should have been released after The Marvels, rather than before?
If they used this style of trailer for any show with a teen girl or boy of any race/religion as the lead, I'd be put off. The trailer is clearly aimed to attract a much younger demographic (and by all accounts, that's a good chunk of the demographic they have attracted..which is fine, as I assume that was the idea).This reminds me of the review of Turning Red that said they couldn't relate because it was about a female, asian teenager.
Y'all telling on yourselves.
This reminds me of the review of Turning Red that said they couldn't relate because it was about a female, asian teenager.
Y'all telling on yourselves.
The idea that Ms. Marvel is any more for kids than a bunch of other comic stuff these same people probably watch is making me give some real side eye.
Yep, still waiting for someone to explain me how the ultra dealbreaker of a trailer that makes it look oh so childish
is different from this:
And so far the only thing I'm getting is "You see it's different because I like Spider-Man"
There's something about this show that just feels much more lively and endearing than the other MCU D+ shows. It's a bummer that some people won't give it a try.