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Samba: Ms Marvel has lowest US viewership debut of MCU Disney+ shows BUT is a hit with Gen Z & draws more diverse audience
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I think you accurately described what I'm feeling about the show. I've seen hints of that approach in the other MCU shows (Sam's hometown/background in F&WS jumps out as does some of the Kate Bishop stuff in Hawkeye) but I don't think any of the other shows have really gone all-in on showing the individual person's world the way Ms. Marvel has.
Totally. I think most super hero stories, especially origin stories, spend so much time talking about what they can do and never enough about who they are. The whole "powers first so put them up against a villain who has the same powers" thing kind of sucks because it makes the whole thing kind of flat. This show, while still somewhat doing the same power struggle thing, is spending so much more effort on showing what Kamala's world is, what's shaping her, and what is, and what is not, going to motivate her as a super hero.
It really works well.
It's just a comparison of viewership numbers for the first week. Wandavision started off modestly and kept picking up viewers as it went on. Moon Knight has a bigger name actor and it didn't have to be the very first MCU Disney+ show. Then again, I think that Moon Knight's viewership numbers are surprisingly high in comparison.
Technically Wandavision did, but that's such an oddball show that it's not really fair to compare anything else to it.
As someone who hasn't liked any of the D+ mcu shows this show is quite good. Episode 1 was pretty boring imo but 2 and 3 are the best episodes of D+ shows I've watched.
At the same time I think it's unrealistic to expect Ms. Marvel to do as well as all the other D+ shows which all starred or co-starred film avengers.
I'm sure She Hulk will do better as well since Mark Ruffalo is co-starring, and even if he isn't co-star ring, they are advertising it like he is.
At the same time I think it's unrealistic to expect Ms. Marvel to do as well as all the other D+ shows which all starred or co-starred film avengers.
I'm sure She Hulk will do better as well since Mark Ruffalo is co-starring, and even if he isn't co-star ring, they are advertising it like he is.
Plus Tatiana Maslany got so much praise from her work in Orphan Black that it'll hopefully pull some people in.
That's a fair point. I was going to include WandaVision but didn't because the overall approach to the show was so unique and wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison with Ms. Marvel.
I tried watching Wandavision and it just doesn't land with me.
Shame cause I like Wanda and Vision.
Moon Knight is more the typical Marvel action with comedic elements, so not surprised it performed better.
Main reason isn't bigotry but the fact that it's not aimed at the usual "older Marvel fan".
And they should have waited until after the final episode of Obi-Wan aired.
And they should have waited until after the final episode of Obi-Wan aired.
Alright, so I've been watching it and really loving it. It has the best start of any MCU show so far and I wish more people watched it.
While some of the arguments people bring up in here to excuse the underwhelming performance of the show are valid, I'm kind of side-eyeing some of the members saying they can't relate to the character considering what I've seen some of them post in threads about muslims. Not gonna name anyone and let me be clear: it's not everyone... But, some of the posters... yeah.
While some of the arguments people bring up in here to excuse the underwhelming performance of the show are valid, I'm kind of side-eyeing some of the members saying they can't relate to the character considering what I've seen some of them post in threads about muslims. Not gonna name anyone and let me be clear: it's not everyone... But, some of the posters... yeah.
The weird thing in this show, all that fandom/cosplay/Comic-Con culture feels the same as in our world. But in the show it's all real. It can still be 'escapism' in the sense of a kid having unrealistic goals of being a professional athlete or actor, so it still kind of works, but it's just so weird to me.
It almost feels like the scripts were written as if the story was not actually IN the MCU, and then it was adapted. Like in a world where comic book stuff is not real, or at least not public.
It almost feels like the scripts were written as if the story was not actually IN the MCU, and then it was adapted. Like in a world where comic book stuff is not real, or at least not public.
Every fucking action/war movie? It's always muslims the bad guys. Can't recall anything recent but 100% sure there is
Is this a serious question? The first twenty-five seconds of the Spider-Man trailer has Peter stopping a bank robbery. The first twenty-five seconds of the Ms Marvel has Kamala drawing cartoons and talking to her friends with animations and Instagram filter.
The tone is wildly different.
Bummer about the viewership numbers. 3 episodes in, this is (by far) the most well-made MCU show yet. The writing, acting, and cinematography are all just on a completely other level compared to the other D+ shows. Loki came closest, but even that had some episodes that were stinkers (i.e. the train episode)
Amazon's Jack Ryan off the top of my head and people seem to like that garbage.
Maybe it's the parent in me that is used to kid's birthday parties but holy shit at this take.
That's pretty disingenuous. This is not some grim and gritty crime drama like the beginning of The Dark Knight, we see Spidey goofing off and spitting out wisecracks while stopping the robbers.
We also see the villain *and* see the villain threaten to murder Peter and everyone Peter loves....and not in a fun way, either, in a "I'll fucking do it" way.
Aside from possible government agents, I don't think Ms. Marvel trailer has a clear villain.
There's a middle ground between The Dark Knight and Ms Marvel, it's not one or the other. Spider-Man jokes around with criminals whether he's 16 or in his 20s but there is an element of threat in the bank robbing scene. If Peter messes up, he dies. What lethal threat is there in the first twenty five seconds of the Ms Marvel trailer?
Indeed and it's Michael Keaton so it's convincing.
You see her getting shot and chased by the government but we're at the point were you're twisting yourself into a pretzel and now only the first seconds count.
Again, you are exaggerating the level of threat these mooks pose to Spidey. At no point all is he ever in danger of dying and the bank robbery scene is clearly played for laughs.
It's a minute into a sub 2 minute trailer before Kamala demonstrates any superpowers. That's a majority of the trailer dealing with teen drama stuff. Spider-Man trailer opens with a bank robbery.
There's one very similar scene where both Peter and Kamala are drooling over their love interest. The Ms Marvel scene plays it completely straight, the Spider-Man one has MJ calling Peter a loser. Similar scenes but different tones.
They could have edited together a more actiony Ms Marvel trailer but for whatever reason they decided not to.
I genuinely do not understand the fear of watching a Ms. Marvel show. "Oh no, it focuses on a character and their life."
Good.
Good, I say.
Good.
Good, I say.
What's the problem here? What's there to be subtle about?
People have experience and history with Spiderman for decades upon decades. That absolutely makes a difference. My grandfather liked Superman because he grew up with him, but he didn't care about anyone else in a cape. We also have decades of Spiderman movies and TV shows so we have pretty clear expectations of what another Spiderman movie is going to be like. Ms. Marvel doesn't have that luxury and all people have to really go off of is the advertising which makes it looks like a Disney tween show.
I mean, it seems like the argument you're making is because both deal with high school and relationships, they must be aimed at the same audience. There's such a wide swath of content for coming-of-age media, some aimed for kids and some towards adults. Honestly, I'd say more are aimed towards adults, so it's good Disney is making content that kids can enjoy too.
Things I learned, Watching Ms Marvel makes some people feel really uncomfortable. ..
Also the 'I'm not a teen, so I can't relate' I'm a 48 year old dude, and I'm not a teen girl. But I think we can all relate to being a teen? Maybe not the family dynamic (Culture wise - which I do connect with, my mom was korean), but I think we all had issues with our parents.
I mean what is going on with this?
Also the 'I'm not a teen, so I can't relate' I'm a 48 year old dude, and I'm not a teen girl. But I think we can all relate to being a teen? Maybe not the family dynamic (Culture wise - which I do connect with, my mom was korean), but I think we all had issues with our parents.
I mean what is going on with this?
I'll admit, I still haven't watched it.
The Avengers game kinda soured me on Kamala, the trailers felt a little too "Disney Channel" and The Boys is airing currently too.
I'll definitely watch it but probably has a binge-watch.
The Avengers game kinda soured me on Kamala, the trailers felt a little too "Disney Channel" and The Boys is airing currently too.
I'll definitely watch it but probably has a binge-watch.
I don't know if I could put it into the right words, but I'll try, I think for some people they still have these distinctive dichotomy between this and that. Stuff for girls, stuff for boys, stuff for kids, stuff for adults and they can NEVER mix. And this show has been putting a spotlight on that. It reminds me of the height of the MLP days. You could have something like a cute Winnie the Pooh + Zelda mashup and people are fine with it but a cute harmless MLP+Zelda mashup and it's suddenly "MY EYES! WHAT UNHOLY ABOMINATION IS THIS?!? KILL IT WITH FIRE" Like, why? Because to some people, some things aren't SUPPOSED to mix and MLP was, for the longest time, the girliest of the girly junk sand people couldn't reconcile the idea of it being a general all audience thing.
Are people really making blanket statements like this? I feel like people are making up arguments in this thread that aren't going on. I think it's personally reasonable to enjoy one piece of media involving teens, but not another.
I was speaking broadly and outside of this conversation even.
I dunno, I think this still works because the number of people with actual powers in the MCU is still relatively small, so her mom telling her to stop having her head in the clouds makes sense. In fact, I'm curious where they're going with that, because obviously this is a "parents want teen to grow up in a certain way, teen doesn't agree" thing but actually giving her superpowers really changes the narrative. Now it's more like "stop dreaming of being in the NBA" when you're an actual NBA prospect.
I guess I'm part of the problem, though I def wait till all eps are out in general
Though I'll probably get to it eventually it definitely seems like it's marketed as more toward a younger audience
Which honestly is a good thing, can't always everything be for everyone. I'm glad younger folks have a superhero that deals with issues that are more relatable to them. But yeah I'm not surprised overall viewership is less in comparison
Though I'll probably get to it eventually it definitely seems like it's marketed as more toward a younger audience
Which honestly is a good thing, can't always everything be for everyone. I'm glad younger folks have a superhero that deals with issues that are more relatable to them. But yeah I'm not surprised overall viewership is less in comparison
I'm watching it. The first episode made me want to drop it (too teenagery) but it picks up steam on ep2 and wow, ep3 was great.
People acting as if this show isnt aimed and advertised at a younger audience are performing some serious mental gymnastics in here.
The first episode is crushingly slow, but I think the show has gotten better episode by episode.