It's the same at Downing Street too. I think we've finally reached the point with social media where everyone has decided to just say fuck it. Who knows what dumb shit someone has said, just hope their past doesn't blow up.
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Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA
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She wasn't vetted because she was Turner's personal friend. Loyalty was valued over having heinous views on Muslims/immigrants. The board was rightfully upset/angry when they found out, and Turner refused to fire her until the story was leaked to the public.
And then Turner was rewarded for this by getting a high level position on Bernie's national campaign.
No, you're making a fair observation that if I knew enough to consider caveating that, that maybe I should have made a different point - or approached my criticism in a different way - and I will eat that because I can't possibly relate to how hurtful it is - but in the context of this discussionI I wrongly assumed that people would know exactly what individual issue I was refering to - especially given her relationshp to the person in the lawsuit - and I thought I was making a salient point about a specific person. I can't unphrase it - I can apologize and do for unintentionally insulting rhetoric - but I hope at least that one or two of you guys quoting me are aware that my intention isn't and wasn't that.
I fucked up here, and I'll go out of my way to avoid it in future, and you should report me if you think it was some sneaky bullshit, but I still have serious political concerns with how the Campaign is going to run for the next few months - and most of them come down to issues Bernie can easily tune or adjust or move past.
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I think bias against bernie might leave you open to accepting arguments that are rooted in bias against black people, even if your adoption of that view honestly has no basis in race and it never crossed your mind as potentially racist.
That said, I'm very certain that the overall narrative of Brie Joy Gray and Nina Turner being too angry and rude is deeply rooted in racism. The examples people use of them being that way are way too common and mild to make sense of otherwise.
They've got something to push before every primary. Really curious about what the Super Tuesday hit is going to look like
I feel like if this were about another candidate's group the reaction would be very different.
I mean, we had a bunch of people just yesterday falling for a tweet that "linked" Warren's PAC (Oh, and this is a PAC, too) to a conservative oil lobbying group through someone they hired and people were saying snake snake snake.
Of course, that was fake news, the tweeter confused the name of one similarly named org with another, and the group in question lobbied against fossil fuels.
Walk me through this. If a PAC with PoCs in positions of power affiliated with Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren fired a notoriously racist xenophobic Trump supporter from their organization, what would the reaction be?
That they hired that Trump supporter in the first place. See my second post in the thread for a very similar situation that turned out to be fake news, cause that literally is a situation with a hire with a (fake) conservative connection.
These two things aren't comparable but nonetheless I agree with your initial position. Yes, I guess some people are biased towards their preferred candidates. This isn't surprising nor isn't relevant in assessing if this specific attack holds any water.
Wut? The poster didn't say that the group wasn't racist, but that it's an obvious hit-piece against Sanders. These things aren't mutually exclusive, and they're scraping the bottom of the barrel here to try and stop Bernie.
People seem to try and go for the Trump narrative with Bernie, by saying that he's enabling and supporting a shitty fanbase, completely ignoring that Trump's fanbase was just mirroring what Trump was saying. The part of the Bernie base that people consider toxic, are in no way actually mirroring anything Bernie's said or done. They're energized people who have gotten fed up with the bullshit, and finally have someone to rally with.
It isn't? The connection was just a single staffer that a tweet was posted that contained their address and people were going angry mob on it. Reality is that the attack holds some small amount of water about the people he put in place to make hiring decisions and how hard it was to get this person out. It isn't a "sky is falling" thing by any stretch, but people are so quick to rush to "this is literally nothing only drummed up as part of a media conspiracy against Sanders" that it doesn't really feel like an assessment so much as confirmation of priors.
Oh I was more so thinking that these things aren't comparable due to Warrens previous stance against taking PAC money and her various stances around lobbying in general.
I mean, it's not surprising. These campaigns are run and staffed by the usual old boys club even if the old boys club is a remixed version of it. Progressiveness as a high school clique. Just like your various other bigots its easy to talk the talk but harder to self-examine and walk the walk. So to paint Bernie as being responsible here is laughable.
THAT SAID.
The idea that Bernie or by extention is really anti-racism is kinda ehh? It's still a candidate field filled with a bunch of privileged assholes who are learning about race on the fly (Bernie), hope their racial gaffes get ignored by their past associations (Biden), or hope that having 'a plan for that' for various aspects of institutionalized racism ignores trying to be a minority for cool points.
Im scared less about the politicians because as usual as a POC I have to hold my nose and vote for the abstract concept of 'least racist' but the people who actually believe their candidate is running a racism free campaign into a presidency nahmean? It's kinda baked into the system, even socialist ones, lol
THAT SAID.
The idea that Bernie or by extention is really anti-racism is kinda ehh? It's still a candidate field filled with a bunch of privileged assholes who are learning about race on the fly (Bernie), hope their racial gaffes get ignored by their past associations (Biden), or hope that having 'a plan for that' for various aspects of institutionalized racism ignores trying to be a minority for cool points.
Im scared less about the politicians because as usual as a POC I have to hold my nose and vote for the abstract concept of 'least racist' but the people who actually believe their candidate is running a racism free campaign into a presidency nahmean? It's kinda baked into the system, even socialist ones, lol
This is a good time to remind everyone here: there is no way you get to a point in life where you're running for President without some awkward, potentially bad stuff happening along the way.
We don't know enough about this, and I'm white so I'm not going to waste air pontificating on substance. But vote for the democrat, please, unless a particularly hideous skeleton crawls out of the closet. For example, Roy Moore.
It's too important not to. The opposition is led by a gameshow host who bankrupted a casino, wants to bone his daughter, has assaulted at least 25 women, would prefer a dead earth to losing an election, says a fucking pandemic is a hoax, and on and on and on. I didn't even mention his crimes or his foreign policy.
Now is not a good time to lose. Even if it means walking in there and pulling a lever for, like, Klobuchar. We all have to do that.
We don't know enough about this, and I'm white so I'm not going to waste air pontificating on substance. But vote for the democrat, please, unless a particularly hideous skeleton crawls out of the closet. For example, Roy Moore.
It's too important not to. The opposition is led by a gameshow host who bankrupted a casino, wants to bone his daughter, has assaulted at least 25 women, would prefer a dead earth to losing an election, says a fucking pandemic is a hoax, and on and on and on. I didn't even mention his crimes or his foreign policy.
Now is not a good time to lose. Even if it means walking in there and pulling a lever for, like, Klobuchar. We all have to do that.
Are you aware of what the report function is? "Hey mods!" Brings zero value to the discussion.
Of course it is. I feel a stretch in my neck just reading the quotes.
Yes and no.
At a certain time there will be a reckoning for the greater mainstream establishment demanding that the suffering queer, POC, poor etc..."GET IN LINE" because THIS time these plans will help EVERYONE out.
How about, I dunno, you they get their shit together first. It's like a heist movie where the guy who plans it is like, 'Oh, we will work out the split after the job, trust me!' LOL. There's talk of white liberals as if its a dirty word, but white progressives have done an absolutely horrible job at inte-sectionality also. Not like we haven't had this play out for hundreds of years but this time...it's going to be different?
On the contrary, we are metaphysically omnipresent when logged on. All staff have the ability to be in all threads all the time. We just deliberately choose not to in order to mess with you guys.
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