Santa Fe School Shooter's father: “My son, to me, is not a criminal, he’s a victim"

[sibarraz]

I could empathize with him in the sense of looking for excuses to try to live with the pain of your son being a murder.

But going in a tangent with the justification than he only murdered "the bad ones" makes me despise him even more

 

[sph3re]

I can because he's doing it publicly and echoing bullshit like my son spared the good kids

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I was about to disagree, but then I rembered the mother of one of the Columbine shooters was extremely sympathetic to the parents of the slain children. And as far as I know, those kids were actually bullied.

So yeah, there is really no excuse to defend your child in this situation. I get that it's hard, but come on.

 

[I Don't Like]

This dad should be in fucking jail. And what a SHOCKER he's a FOX News and NRA loving piece of fucking shit.

 

[Daniel Westlake]

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What I'm saying is expecting anything close to a reasonable even-handed statement is a questionable position. When people talk, especially under stress, they deflect and make excuses that's normal. Especially in a case like this where he bear some culpability in the sons ability to procure weaponry.

 

[Pockets]

But honestly it's his son, I don't know what anyone would reasonably expect him to say? Did you expect a condemnation?

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Con.dem.na.tion. The expression of very strong disapproval.

It's a literally the very fucking least this piece of shit parent should openly display in public.

JFC. People should show condemnation towards their children if they don't show proper manners.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Hope poppa has fun being sued into the poorer-house. Lock your murder machines up. Keep ammunition away and locked up somewhere else.

 

[Pockets]

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[A Fish Aficionado]

Your son murder a young woman and her classmates for being rejected? And he's the victim?
No. That's not how it works.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I was about to disagree, but then I rembered the mother of one of the Columbine shooters was extremely sympathetic to the parents of the slain children. And as far as I know, those kids were actually bullied.

So yeah, there is really no excuse to defend your child in this situation. I get that it's hard, but come on.

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They weren't.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/20/columbine.myths/

 

[Elegant Weapon]

He is a victim. Bullying is unacceptable. But its not a free pass for murder. He is a victim who became a criminal.

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He. Was. Not. Bullied.

Bullying is just an excuse for this white boy terrorist constant mass shootings.

Apprently people really believe students like the Pakistani foreign exchange student girl actually bullied the white football player who later shot her dead?

The murderer and his very complicit father are trump Fox News fans aka racists. We know for a fact the the murderer targeted women mostly specifically a girl he harassed for months until she finally told him off- she was his first victim. The narrative this this murderer was bullied infuriates me, it really does.

The father is such a piece of shit just like anyone pushing the bullying narrative.

The father is all- something most happened/changed in the last week because my son was solid. Your "solid" son made explosives and had targets. I don't know how long he was planning this but it seems most likely that his son has always been an evil bitch like his father but it was fine because it was hidden behind patriotism

 

[Z-Beat]

It's about what I'd expect from his parents. You don't see a lot of people willing to throw themselves under the bus with their kid.

 

[Apathy]

Dude killed a girl who dared to say no to him and didn't want to date him. He's no victim.

 

[smisk]

I mean this is a fucked up thing to say, but I don't think we should blame the dad for reacting badly. The only thing I can imagine that's worse than your kid being killed in a mass shooting is finding out your kid was the shooter.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I mean this is a fucked up thing to say, but I don't think we should blame the dad for reacting badly. The only thing I can imagine that's worse than your kid being killed in a mass shooting is finding out your kid was the shooter.

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Uhhhhhhh

No I'm pretty sure your kid getting fucking murdered is worse wtf...

 

[Disco]

Did he just use an exorcist/possession analogy to dismiss his son's actions?

Maan what in the hell. I'm sorry that it was his son who did this but fuck off

 

[Ac30]

Maybe if you hadn't left your fucking guns lying around we'd be slightly more sympathetic.

 

[Minarik]

Fuck this guy, nothing excuses what his piece of shit kid did. The father should be charged for not securing his weapons

 

[Deleted member 31333]

As far as we know, the only "bullying" he received was the rejection of a girl he harassed for months, leading to status of what home-bred terrorists refer to as "involuntary celibacy" which hurt his ego and manhood, and led to him to feel justified in shooting that girl first, then killing nine other people.

Fuck. No.

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Isn't this misinformation too? We don't know for sure he was an "incel" or that this is what caused him to do what he did. As far as I know, it is just a theory right now.

 

[Clear]

Charge the father. I'm pretty ignorant with guns but i was easily able to add 2 trigger locks to my cart for under $50.

 

[Daysean]

I mean this is a fucked up thing to say, but I don't think we should blame the dad for reacting badly. The only thing I can imagine that's worse than your kid being killed in a mass shooting is finding out your kid was the shooter.

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Pretty sure your kid not existing is worse then your kid being in jail for life

 

[EN1GMA]

- Claims of bullying without actually having any proof.
- His son spared the good kids bullshit. Nice way to make the victims out as bad people who somehow deserved this.
- Guns left in a place that was accessible to his son.

I understand that he cannot simply shutoff the love he has has for son. However it's pretty vile to portray the actual victims like that. Also pretty idiotic to leave your guns in a place where you child can access them.

 

[Eat My Jorts]

Irresponsible gun owner accomplice father is also irresponsible with his words.

Surprise.

 

[Orb]

Fuck this logic. I can't stand how since Columbine we've had it shoved down our throats that if we had just been nicer to these kids, they might not have murdered a bunch of people.

Obviously we should all strive to be kinder, but there are countless people who go through hard lives and then don't go on killing sprees.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

no. you let your son scour the internet and get brainwashed to the point where he thought killing his classmates was apparently an acceptable response to getting turned down by a girl. fuck off with this shit. i hope he rots and dies alone and sad

 

[Shedinja]

"It's not possible in one day for the child to have changed so much."

Your son was collecting knives, wearing a trench coat and a "born to kill" shirt to school every day, and was "very into communism". He was harassing a girl for months before she felt she had to give him a public rejection. He spent a week after that researching previous mass shootings before killing her, 7 other kids and two teachers. I wouldn't be surprised if the only "bullying" he suffered was people at school calling him out as the creep he is.

He spared the "good kids". ffs

 

[sph3re]

They weren't.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/20/columbine.myths/

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Okay whatever, the point being that if the mother of the trendsetter for school shootings can be sympathetic to the parents of the victims, this guy can.

Although that article is good to read to help dispel the myth that school shooters are actually victims themselves

 

[Pancracio17]

This would be the denial phase.

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Honestly doubt he will get past this phase.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I mean this is a fucked up thing to say, but I don't think we should blame the dad for reacting badly. The only thing I can imagine that's worse than your kid being killed in a mass shooting is finding out your kid was the shooter.

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I dunno about that.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

He spared the good kids line makes me think the son is probably some kind of hero to the father rather than victim, even.

"He spared the good kids"

There is no way to spin that except some kind of praise.

One way or the other, I really believe the father is complicit. These people are sickening.

 

[FireSafetyBear]

Nah Dad

He's garbage

 

[Deleted member 14002]

He's only a victim of his father negligence in regards with his guns. And an atrocious killer in rest.

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I can because he's doing it publicly and echoing bullshit like my son spared the good kids

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Agreed.

He is a victim. Bullying is unacceptable. But its not a free pass for murder. He is a victim who became a criminal.

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The murder supercedes bullying.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Honestly doubt he will get past this phase.

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Isn't he an immigrant trump supporter? Yeah, he'll be stuck in the denial phase and will probably start openly defending his murderous son soon

 

[McMahon]

What's the likelihood people eager to give this shit-bag a pass are also moderates?

 

[Deleted member 8561]

Wow I wonder where his son got his toxic mentality from?

Again, I really am appreciating all these white people just saying exactly what's on their mind instead of hiding behind buzz words and dog whistles.

Just another link to add for the comparison between killers and how the media and society treats them based on their race.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Not only is your son a criminal, but you are too for enabling this shit.

I could not possibly be more disgusted.

 

[plagiarize]

How did he get your guns? How did he get your guns? How did he get your guns?

That's the question he should be answering. If this *was* the result of things being especially bad for his son, it's quite probable that none of this would have happened if he'd not been able to get a gun right away. That in a few days he'd have cooled off.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Spare the crocodile tears. That motherfucker should be behind bars too.

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Sure, lock the fucker up too.

 

[smisk]

Pretty sure your kid not existing is worse then your kid being in jail for life

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I dunno about that.

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I guess the way I think about it is if your kid is murdered at least you still have the memory of them and stuff. If they're a shooter they're either dead or in prison for the rest of their life plus it destroys whatever idea the parent had of who their child is. Add on feelings of guilt about how you should have been able to prevent it or are somehow culpable and it could fuck you up pretty bad.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

How did he get your guns? How did he get your guns? How did he get your guns?

That's the question he should be answering. If this *was* the result of things being especially bad for his son, it's quite probable that none of this would have happened if he'd not been able to get a gun right away. That in a few days he'd have cooled off.

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More importantly, when will the NRA start shaming openly irresponsible gun owners?

 

[PlanetSmasher]

I guess the way I think about it is if your kid is murdered at least you still have the memory of them and stuff. If they're a shooter they're either dead or in prison for the rest of their life plus it destroys whatever idea the parent had of who their child is. Add on feelings of guilt about how you should have been able to prevent it or are somehow culpable and it could fuck you up pretty bad.

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And yet, as we see here, this guy isn't being self-reflective or acting like the memory of his kid has been destroyed. He's seeking excuses and trying to minimize the effect of what his kid did. He's looking for reasons to JUSTIFY the mass murder his child committed.

 

[Force_XXI]

Fuck this guy with the spared good kids shit hope his life is a living hell.

 

[Cipherr]

"He pulled the trigger but he is not this person," he said. "It is like we see in the movies when someone gets into his body and does things that are not done. It's not possible in one day for the child to have changed so much."

Where did this come from. I notice it alot when someone gets busted being racist asf, or shooting up a school. This "That wasn't the real me" shit. Does that fool ANYONE?

 

[chandoog]

"My son, to me, is not a criminal, he's a victim," he said. "The kid didn't own guns. I owned guns."

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So .. you're admitting you're at fault here ?

Are you saying it's OK for the law to prosecute you as well ? Because I'm A-OK with that.

 

[Saganator]

Dad thinks his perfect church going baby couldn't possibly do anything wrong. Willing to bet this kid got everything he wanted from his parents and led him to be an entitled spoiled twat. As soon as he gets to dip his feet into the real world and didn't get something he asked for, a date from a woman, he was incapable of handling it. Thanks to the parents babying him his whole life. Lashed out in the biggest and worst way.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I guess the way I think about it is if your kid is murdered at least you still have the memory of them and stuff. If they're a shooter they're either dead or in prison for the rest of their life plus it destroys whatever idea the parent had of who their child is. Add on feelings of guilt about how you should have been able to prevent it or are somehow culpable and it could fuck you up pretty bad.

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Please re-read what you've just said... "if your kid Is murdered" followed by "at least". There's no at least here, their children are dead, brutalized in a way no one should ever be brutalized .... you've literally elevated this father who is making excuses for his murdering son over parents who lost kids to this man's son.

Stop.

 

[Skelepuzzle]

Hey how about you take responsibility for your gun and child by expressing any level of humanity for the victims instead of shitting on them.

Don't care how much grief you have when you're accusing the slain being "bad." Pretty sure a murderer is worse.

 

[Deleted member 1248]

I guess the way I think about it is if your kid is murdered at least you still have the memory of them and stuff. If they're a shooter they're either dead or in prison for the rest of their life plus it destroys whatever idea the parent had of who their child is. Add on feelings of guilt about how you should have been able to prevent it or are somehow culpable and it could fuck you up pretty bad.

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This post is dumb.

 

[Servbot24]

Wow. Sounds like he is delusional.

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Ummm yeah his son is a mass murderer?

I don't get the posts in this thread. Any father would be inconsolable.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

I guess the way I think about it is if your kid is murdered at least you still have the memory of them and stuff. If they're a shooter they're either dead or in prison for the rest of their life plus it destroys whatever idea the parent had of who their child is. Add on feelings of guilt about how you should have been able to prevent it or are somehow culpable and it could fuck you up pretty bad.

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Stop trying to defend a guy making excuses for mass murder.

 

[Deleted member 7148]

I feel bad for the parents of the victims here. If my child was murdered at school by a classmate and his/her father was suggesting that my child was the problem, I would be beyond livid. That just adds salt to the wound.