I'm sorry, is her career over?It’s amazing that we’ve created such a community full of people that have never made mistakes in their lives.
Seriously though, she seems remorseful about the situation, and seems to be an ally on the right side of history. But so many people here are content to have this never forget, never forgive attitude. One fuck up, and you are done. Career over. You deserve no chance at a successful life, or form of redemption. Stay out of my sight line, and out of my entertainment.
Give me a fucking break.
People make mistakes, they change, they grow, they become better people. Is that really not allowed anymore?
Yeah I never made any claims of a 'cancel culture'. I'm just talking about general forgiveness and empathy.Okay, but that still doesn't mean "cancel culture" is a thing. People are aware she is a human. If she changes or has changed, people will support her. Some won't, but that would be true at any point in history regardless of the internet or social media being a thing. It's not a culture specific to this point in time, you're just talking about general truisms regarding forgiveness.
Can you quote who said it wasn't allowed please? How would another human being even disallow that?
Yeah you kind of are. If those affected want to continue to hold it against her it doesnt matter how many times its brought up how much she's changed. Sometimes the consequences of someone's actions last forever no matter how much someone has changed. You are free to do you, but unless you know the scope of the impact there's is no justification for you lamenting the fact that people would still be upset.
The bullshit is the fact she apologized and we still got niggas out here ready to throw her off a boat over some shit she apologized for and was a decade plus back.
Of course she did. She just phrased it poorly. She makes it sound like if you aren't doing edgy, offensive humor that could easily be confused with basic bigotry, that's the equivalent of not taking any risks. There are ways to push the envelope without doing blackface. I think she's legitimately remorseful, but the insinuation that her replacement is only there because they played it safe is not the best look.
I’ve read this entire thread and what I’ve taken from your discussions is that 12 years ago you found skits like that funny. Today you no longer find that funny.
You know exactly what I mean. No, her career isn’t over, but there’s plenty of people that I’m sure would be happy for it to be. My post spoke more in a general sense. It was a suggestion of people’s line of thinking in these situations. Can’t believe I actually have to explain this.
They will when WB finally releases the Snyder Cut.
This. A super outspoken woman against Trump who seems to understand how hurtful and stupid doing black face was, will now be eaten alive and shunned by her own.Regardless, I'll always be wary of people who dig up shit from 10+ years ago done by people who haven't since behaved like complete shitheels (à la James Gunn). Most likely this type of people is just looking for fake outrage to undermine progressive efforts and distract us from the true unrepenting shitheels.
Im quite a bit younger that Sarah Silverman, RDJ, ect, and at the time I wasn’t educated in the context and history that underlies hurtful stereotypes. They were older than I am now when they worked on these TV/Movie productions. They should have known better. My argument comes down to:
Interesting you respond this way to someone's blackface creating consequences and ban-bait yourself. Oh well.
Regardless, I'll always be wary of people who dig up shit from 10+ years ago done by people who haven't since behaved like complete shitheels (à la James Gunn). Most likely this type of people is just looking for fake outrage to undermine progressive efforts and distract us from the true unrepenting shitheels.
Thanks. Believe or it not, me from a few years ago wouldn't have realized that at all, and might even have dismissed it if it had been pointed out to me. It's almost like... people... can... change?
If I saw this thread two days ago, I would've suggested putting a different movie on. Or at least done something highly distracting so no one would enjoy the movie.
Pretty sure cancel culture doesn't typically allow for change.
You can’t control what you find funny when you’re watching something you didn’t make. I made a funny song once and I listen to it regularly. It’s silly and wholesome and I know I’m gonna laugh because I made it. So I’m in control of what I’m laughing about because I produced a song that I found funny.I’ve read this entire thread and what I’ve taken from your discussions is that 12 years ago you found skits like that funny. Today you no longer find that funny.
12 years ago she and the other writers found it funny too and made their skit based on what they found funny. Today she no longer finds it funny and regrets making it.
It’s okay that you found it funny 12 years ago and learned from it and regret finding it funny.
It’s not okay that she found it funny 12 years ago and learned from it and regrets finding it funny.
It all blows my mind because at the same time you claim that you can’t control what you find funny.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective with me.And that's the rub. Silverman's portrayal of blackface is rooted in a history of minstrel shows and taking the humanity away from people who look like me. It's the visual version of calling me the n word.
I can't say the same thing about RDJ in Tropic Thunder. If people want to get mad about Tropic Thunder, then I'm not going to say they can't. But to me, Silverman's representation and Tropic Thunder aren't similar at all.
And people say satire is dead.
He gets called racist throughout the entirety of the movie, and it's revealed that he actually CAN'T shut it off, even when he's aware that it's racist.
What did you find funny about the blackface on those shows 12 years ago?You can’t control what you find funny when you’re watching something you didn’t make. I made a funny song once and I listen to it regularly. It’s silly and wholesome and I know I’m gonna laugh because I made it. So I’m in control of what I’m laughing about because I produced a song that I found funny.
It's funny because from that side of the fence, to them it seems like anyone with the opposite opinion can be put in the same convenient box of "well it's a personal failing on their part, they are just outraged, it's not meaningful in any way", but by just throwing "cancel culture!" out there they are themselves not making a meaningful examination and are just parroting something that to them explains everything.
Those Twitch threads are all seeped in weird Twitch culture that is borderline obsessive. The threads about people like Alinity give me GamerGate flashbacks. Not really comparable to this topic about a prominent comedian that has done black face.
LOL, people would have to be straight up dopes to not realize that the characters of that show are ignorant, racist, trash people in like the very first episode. It was shown since day one.
It's among my favorite shows of all time, but let's be real. They've managed to create a show that is like 98% white in a city that is only 40% white, and for what little non-white representation there is within the show - the character's non-whiteness is a vehicle for comedic punchlines within the given episode.
I would read that as more she was broaching a taboo subject.