Occassionally, but the poster you quoted only made statement to distract from being hypocritical themselves. Not really the best time to jump in and affirm them.
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Sarah Silverman says she was fired from a movie for an old blackface sketch
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This sounds like you're allowing RDJ mitigating context that you're not allowing Silverman.
Nope, you just see posters turning on each other claiming that reset is being invaded by racist alt-righters.
"I do not like when people do blackface, it upsets me and I would rather not support someone who has done it"
"Cancel culture strikes again!"
I'm laughing at the fact that you've been the only one banned in this thread (not that I think there are other banned deserved or anything)
I'm not allowing Silverman the context because I literally cannot look at it without getting angry. I don't care about the message when it's wrapped in something that is so offensive for me to look at.
I've been pretty consistent in this thread, we just disagree
You can't hold people responsible for what they find funny to the same extent you can what companies produce and publish.
People grow and change, media doesn't once its been published it's out there in the world. Are y'all seriously saying those racist Disney cartoons are above reproach because they were intended to be comedic?
Pretty much nobody.
My only issue is the harassment campaign that this has already turned into solely because she is a woman. It's the same people defending Trump that are attacking Sarah. It's not even remotely about racism. It is purely about sexism. I don't even know why this is something that needs to be propagated on this site.
Nobody on this site should be like those people. Be better than those people.
Millionaire Sarah Silverman complains to millionaire Bill Simmons about cancel culture on a podcast that will be listened to by over a million people.
Cancel culture isn't a thing, extremely popular and wealthy people just hate even the tiniest bit of accountability.
Cancel culture isn't a thing, extremely popular and wealthy people just hate even the tiniest bit of accountability.
User Banned (3 Days): Inflammatory community generalizations and misrepresenting moderation.
Not really, but Mods like to maintain an echo chamber. Take that as you will.
I'm sorry WHAT?
I'm an open borders advocate and have never voted for a Republican in my life. What are you insinuating?
I mean, that's your prerogative if you choose not to support them. I'm not defending Sarah here saying that she shouldn't have been fired. I'm just saying that given time to reflect and potentially work on it, people can change.
No one is defending the skit. They are saying the person behind it can change. You are moving the goal posts out of the zipcode with this Disney shit. Lol
Lol it's fine, they were just taking the 'anyone who disagrees with me is alt-right' tactic. Also I think the majority of people here to troll are either banned or just using dormant alts that pop up every now and again and then get banned.
Why are you bringing up Song of the South? It has no relevance to this thread, also the context is completely different. Yes, the media doesn't change but the people who produced it can and often do. You can criticize the media itself and also recognize the change in the people who created it.
This shit getting to be hella annoying. I feel bad for these kids coming up, they finna have every single bad joke or dumb decision archived on the internet someone can dredge up decades later. At the same time we wanna preach prisoners should be afforded the ability to grow and be reformed, we cop an attitude about bullshit like this.
Hopefully It's Always Sunny gets cancelled next. The memes are annoying to see.
The fucking leap happening here is Olympian
Yes, people can change, that has nothing to do with "cancel culture". It's not a thing. That's just how human beings work, if they don't like something or someone they tend to not want to associate with it/them.
Ok ok we get it, you're woke now and the people who made things you liked 15 years ago must be held accountable.
I always like to keep it in mind that there were genuine, no nonsense alt-right guys trying to get into this forum when it started. And they were pulling the same victim act. Just as a quick example:
It's probably not the best idea to refer to people who dislike blackface as "copping an attitude about bullshit".
Song of the South aside, which is a cartoon and not a person, cannot be changed. It is a thing, not a human. Sarah is a person involved directly with the skit in question, and while the contents of the skit are distasteful and racist, she has the potential as a human being to change as time progresses. If you can't understand that..I'm not sure where the discussion can go?
Not being black, I guess I can't speak to that. But her character is obviously being portrayed as someone who is trying to measure her race's suffering against another's, and eventually realizes what a folly it is. In the same sketch, a black character also dresses up as a cartoonish caricature of a Jew and reaches the same conclusion.
It's crass, but the intent is rational.
I feel like I never left the old site seeing posts like this. I'm just not cool with blackface even if it's extra *ironic*
It was okay that he found it funny back then but it's not okay that they found it funny back then.
"As soon as she apologized NOBODY was allowed to hold it against her."
Sure but making mistakes and learning from them is also how human beings work. Most people have the luxury of the relative anonymity that comes with not being famous. Most people have said or done something they regret, but they probably also don't have it plastered where everyone can see it. It's good to remember that these people in the public eye are also human beings. Forgetting or ignoring that is how we get situations like Monica Lewinsky, Amy Fischer, Tonya Harding, etc.
That's not at all what I'm saying.
See my above post, you can hold it against her if you want. That's your option.
They were both made by corporations, were a product of their time, and had writers. Sarah was one of those writers, she put her name on the literal show title. If you can't hold someone accountable for that, then maybe you should just stop responding to my posts ITT.
Fuck it, let's cancel "it's always sunny", RDJ, and Jon hamm too.
I used to think this shit was funny but now it's like a cringey pseudo-woke minstrel show
Wait, what sunny did wasn't blackface. Unless you're referring to a different instance than the episode I'm thinking of.
I don't know about the Hamm instance but wasn't RDJ the butt of a joke the whole movie for his blackfacing method acting ways?
Has the movie studio actually come out and stated this was the reason for her being fired? I've fired lots of people over the years and we never publicly share the reason behind it. Staff and employees jump to all kind of conclusions and all of them have been 100% wrong. Even the people who are fired and are told exactly why they are fired have found ways to completely misrepresent the reason in an effort to save face.
All we have is one person's telling of the story ...could be a big, fat, nothingburger.
All we have is one person's telling of the story ...could be a big, fat, nothingburger.
And that's the rub. Silverman's portrayal of blackface is rooted in a history of minstrel shows and taking the humanity away from people who look like me. It's the visual version of calling me the n word.
I can't say the same thing about RDJ in Tropic Thunder. If people want to get mad about Tropic Thunder, then I'm not going to say they can't. But to me, Silverman's representation and Tropic Thunder aren't similar at all.
Are all of y'all saying that you make a conscious decision every time you find something humorous?
Or are all of yall saying that writing jokes for a television program is just as unintentional as a sense of humor?
Because those are both ridiculous
Why are they different in a way that makes her evolution as a person invalid while yours is? Of course being paid to be on a show is a different thing from watching TV. How is that difference relevant to the moral claims you are making?
This is what everyone is probing you to answer and you are not doing so in a satisfactory fashion.
Your thinking can change on a subject. When I was a kid I found a lot of dumb shit funny that is gross now looking back.
I thought she just meant her career of naturally riskier shock humour.
Yes but you seem to be missing the point. There was a time where both you and Silverman found blackface funny. Now neither of you find it funny, and that's ok for you but not for her. People are taking issue with the pretty obvious double standard.
It's amazing that we've created such a community full of people that have never made mistakes in their lives.
Seriously though, she seems remorseful about the situation, and seems to be an ally on the right side of history. But so many people here are content to have this never forget, never forgive attitude. One fuck up, and you are done. Career over. You deserve no chance at a successful life, or form of redemption. Stay out of my sight line, and out of my entertainment.
Give me a fucking break.
People make mistakes, they change, they grow, they become better people. Is that really not allowed anymore?
Seriously though, she seems remorseful about the situation, and seems to be an ally on the right side of history. But so many people here are content to have this never forget, never forgive attitude. One fuck up, and you are done. Career over. You deserve no chance at a successful life, or form of redemption. Stay out of my sight line, and out of my entertainment.
Give me a fucking break.
People make mistakes, they change, they grow, they become better people. Is that really not allowed anymore?
Tropic Thunder should be canceled for making fun of the mentally handicapped. The blackface was also controversial back in 08. It isn't like blackface being on the outs was a recent thing
Okay, but that still doesn't mean "cancel culture" is a thing. People are aware she is a human. If she changes or has changed, people will support her. Some won't, but that would be true at any point in history regardless of the internet or social media being a thing. It's not a culture specific to this point in time, you're just talking about general truisms regarding forgiveness.
Can you quote who said it wasn't allowed please? How would another human being even disallow that?
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