As a reminder, this is the man she loves and supports.
http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/satu...riticized-over-trans-joke-weekend-update.html
http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/satu...riticized-over-trans-joke-weekend-update.html
ScarJo reteams with GitS director for something else ill-conceived
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User Banned (3 Days): Inflammatory community generalizations and downplaying concerns about representative casting decisions
Jesus fucking Christ, this forum gets upset about EVERYTHING.
It's scarjo. I stopped being a fan ever since she continued endorsing Sodastream despite Palestinians requesting her not to do so.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/mar/16/scarlett-johansson-stands-by-sodastream-deal
She could not care less about these issues.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/mar/16/scarlett-johansson-stands-by-sodastream-deal
She could not care less about these issues.
She played a trans woman over a decade ago.
Scarlett thinking what she's doing is the same thing illustrates she doesn't even understand the gender of the character some people in this thread have argued she must be the most qualified for.
You could at least make a small effort to read the thread.
It is a commonly held belief in the trans community that one of the reasons they are subjected to the threat of violence is because society at large does not understand trans gender identity. Casting a woman to play trans man sends the message that trans men are not men and trans women are not women. This message, often repeated, has resulted in trans people being murdered by people who felt "deceived" by someone in "disguise" as another gender.
This casting endangers the safety of trans people but lololololol I guess that's just pc overreaction, jesus fucking christ, why can't we just relax and wait and SEE if more trans people are murdered.
I think because that movie was made so long ago that it can be pushed aside as unfortunate, but simply how things were done back then. People now are more aware and vocal of discrimination in the movie industry so it looks really really bad when this happens. Had Philadelphia been made today there certainly would have been some outcry about it.
Oh, true.
I thought she was referencing Tambor and Leto's respective abuse controversies. Went way over my head.
What about Dallas Buyer's Club? I haven't seen it but its more recent. Didnt MM win best actor that year playing a gay character? I can't recall anything but unanimous praise.
Was there this amount of uproar for movies like the Danish Girl, Dallas Buyers Club, Boys Don't Cry, even the show Transparent?
Yes, INSANELY YES, not close and yes
Boys Don't Cry got less because it was one of the first movies focusing on a story of a trans person so it was like before we notice it was a pattern not a one time thing =P
http://time.com/10650/dont-applaud-jared-letos-transgender-mammy/
Dallas Buyer Club gave lots of prizes for Jaret fucking Leto which gave the worst interviews
And as a personal pet peeve of mine ... you can find pictures of Jaret Leto in a beard that he look more passable as a woman to what the makeup did to him
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Okay good to know, I hadn't heard anything at the time of those movies other than praise for all of the performances. I have no problem with the criticism, it makes sense that Trans people like any other marginalized group want representation in media.
I'm not sure as I haven't seen that movie or really know anything about it.
I never saw her reply the first time, how did she justify GITS?
“Look to these other cis actors that got shit for playing trans characters” is not the best defense. I mean. God damn that’s some white nonsense.
There is a vast difference between someone attempting a sensitive portrayals and perhaps failing somewhat and a long tradition of intentionally negative and grotesque portrayals of blackface and yallowface performers that were always hideously wrohngeaded even at the time.
That's not what that movie was about.
Jared Leto got crap for playing a trans character and being flippant about those issues in real life.
MM played a bigot that got HIV because he didn't use a rubber. The movie is about him working with that community and finding ways to get medication.
Shouldnt you blame hollywood and not the actors or directors? Hollywood is the entity that created such a "the more famous the actor, the better your movie will do in the box office" environment
Very rarely do new actors make it big (gal gadot is the most recent I can think of)
Very rarely do new actors make it big (gal gadot is the most recent I can think of)
I asked before but would a better option be to just cancel the movie and not tell the story? Because this movie will not be made or seen without ScarJo making and starring in it. The industry has years and miles to go in trans awareness before a trans actor can headline a a mainstream film and get it the same level of budget or attention.
Post, examples, links, tweets in this very thread are saying its not sensitive at all and contributes to the violence and stereotypes of trans people, but you still want cis people to play those role. Sounds an awful like something that used to happen to certain groups a long time ago.
And you guys need to stop bringing up Dallas buyers club , danish girl, transparent etc as if they where ok at the time. A simple google search will show you the trans community never liked those portrayals and/or casting choices.
And the alternative is to continue the message from Hollywood trans people are who they are born as continuing the violence against trans people. Is your suggestion to stay the course of misconceptions and violence until Hollywood and the world catches up to trans awareness.
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Also the woman that broke the Brandon Teena story has since written that she regrets how she covered it at the time so that same kind of "this trans man was actually a butch dyke" stuff popping up in a hollywood movie in 2018 is a really bad look considering how far understanding of trans folk has come in the decades since then
Honestly, based on what I'm seeing from my trans friends... Yes. Definitely.
More preferably, to me, she'd be the wife, but of course, she just HAS to be the trans man and further the Hollywood narrative that trans people are just people dressed like the "opposite" of their assigned at birth gender.
is it a premise when it's someone's actual life?
she's EP'ing it and she COULD be in it just not playing Tex and just play his wife and there would be little to no outrage outside of it being the GITS director and her together again
Yeah, not everyone's life would make a good premise for a movie.
I have no problem with LGBT actors playing straight characters or straight actors playing LGBT characters.
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https://variety.com/2018/film/news/trace-lysette-scarlett-johansson-1202865406/ Thoughts from trans actresses
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After she was a part of the white washing and general pissing on my favorite anime franchise and now this. I honestly just want Thanos to just kill black widow off. Fuck off.
Where we’re at now, it feels like a trans actor playing a non-trans character is many, many, many years away.
Good for you, except this is about the T so it’s not about sexuality. Which is another huge issue the whole equaling of the two, while trans people can be gay they also can be straight. Don’t want to step on the gay community’s toes but there is a big difference between sexuality and who you sleep with and a recognized medical connection wherebiology is mismatched to the point where your own body is the enemy and the top medical opinion on treatment in severe cases is hormone therapy and surgery.
Not going after you directly just it’s a good post to point out there is difference between people playing someone who sleeps with the opposite gender than the actor does and playing someone who was born in the wrong physical body and lives openly as the sex their body should have been, maybe even getting medical correction. And I am not saying a gay person is wrong for wanting gay actors for gay parts, I am just clarifying that’s it’s not the same exact issue.
Edit: again just don’t want this to sound like downplaying gay issues or saying Trans is an issue and theirs is not because gay rights and representation is just as important and valid.
Hey, good idea, she can throw on a fatsuit to play both Biggie AND Tupac in a new movie about them!
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Pretty much this. Stop being dumb. Actors make a living pretending, it's what they do.
A Scarlett Johansson led film is going to do more for exposing people to the idea of transgender folk than actually casting a transgender actor in this climate. If the role were given to a transgender actor the funding would be substantially cut and it probably wouldn't hit theaters. It'd be direct to DVD or a festival film. Instead of bitching about this (which might only serve to get Hollywood to stop telling LGBTQ stories altogether), just recognize that progress is being made. Not much, granted, but at least representation is happening.
Ok, but how about Jonah Hill or James Gandolfini?
Joe Pesci or Robert De Niro?
Because if you NEED to cast a cis person, at least cast a man to a man role
This is what I'm trying to say. I would have never heard of this story. Millions of others would have never heard of this story. Once its made, we have no reason to believe that the takeaway will be merely that "Transmen are women", but if done well it could bring knowledge and sensitivity to many more people.
Thanks?
I don't know, I haven't seen the movie. I didn't say a "cis person" had to be cast, clearly Scarlett has a working relationship with this director. I doubt there was even an audition for the role, it was probably just a story the two of them wanted to tell.
Also, James Gandolfini is quite dead. Sorry if you are just hearing about this now.
Exactly. I guess it's far easier to get outraged, though.
And that’s the point I was trying to make and why I lost it and went on a rant last night. If you were to go into a thread about just about any other minority group with a post like that on an issue like this you would at least catch a warning for calling said group stupid or whatever personal insult they just used if not a ban, but no worry it’s a trans thread so you can ignorant away. Better than the last place and at least here there is staff that live it too, but it’s still the one group you can shit on and probably get away with it.
A woman is playing the role of a trans man.
People who think "trans man are just extreme butch lesbians" will have ZERO change of opinion if they see the movie like they had ZERO change of opinion for Boys Don't Cry because they will see a short haired woman (code for butch lesbian) playing a trans man.
Like they might even think "see? another one of those transgendersexual people making it a complete loss to the fact that scarlet johanson has a hot body"
Didn't know about Gandolfini, but just said because the real person looks a lot like him
Guess it is easier to defend a white woman and say trans people annoyed by this are "outraged". Disgusting post
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People literally admitting to not caring what actual trans people think of how their actual stories are told and represented because cis people would rather see a name they know re-enact it. Then defending it by saying "they can play cis people if they want to", which is immediately refuted, again by actual trans people, who admit they aren't even allowed in the door for the casting calls in those films either.
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