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Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time'
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It's a product of necessity. If they needed to know it, they'd learn it easy, I guarantee it. As much as people love to be old person yelling at clouds. It's simply not something that's important for younger generation to learn, so they don't bother. It doesn't give them any advantage really.
Can we please stop with this nonsense about analog clocks being "outdated" or "inefficient"? That's the really big red flag that tells me how sketchy this thread is.
This is not old men yelling at clouds, this is young people getting upset at other young people for being rewarded for a clear lack of very basic critical thinking, and that second group includes people in this thread as much as the school described in the article.
This is not old men yelling at clouds, this is young people getting upset at other young people for being rewarded for a clear lack of very basic critical thinking, and that second group includes people in this thread as much as the school described in the article.
Analogue clocks are everywhere but so are digital. It's more about questioning why it matters. How important is this? Education and knowledge will never be bad things but questioning a person's intelligence based on their ability to read an analogue clock is ridiculous. I'll admit, I was shocked at first but after thinking on it, why is it such a problem? I assume most people look at the clock, obtain the time, and move on. I don't think analogue clocks are outdated but I wouldn't be surprised if digital clocks eventually became the dominant type.
As for me, when I'm wearing a watch, I almost never depend on my phone or computer for the time. Screw looking at tiny digital numbers, I'd rather turn my wrist and look at my nice, legible, lovely watch.
I do depend on my phone when I need the most accurate time I can get though.
Yeah seriously like what? Minecraft? Using the Internet? I bet they can't beat me at searching for porn...
I was thinking of things like long division - I was taught how to do it, but lived in a post-calculator culture; so I've never once used it outside of class, and could no longer tell you how to do it. It's less about what's being taught, and more about what knowledge society allows us to forget.
I feel like that's a dumbass comment because a digital clock is just a different presentation from an analog clock, they're the same technology in how they keep time (quartz). Why are you treating it like a leap of technology similar to sundial to clocks?
Maybe bring that sundial thing up when we somehow get cheap, miniature atomic clocks that we can carry around, and even then that's if somehow the technology is incompatible with an analog face.
...no
Anologue clocks are unnecessary in a digital society. There is no reason or need for kids to learn how to read an analogue clock. It has to go some time. There is no reward for knowing how to read an analogue clock.
When I was a kid, I had problems learning "basic skills", reading an analog clock included, I just had problems learning stuff and still do. Did my teachers and parents help me? No, they humillated and screamed at me. Plenty of the people here raging at the removal of analog clock are probably like that, they think that because they know how to do something, 7 years kids should do too and when they don't, they insult their intelligence. Don't act like kids should have certain skills if you don't have patience to to teach them.
Because it's abundantly clear in this situation that the interface change is what matters and not the technology that goes into making clocks.
This isn't about students who don't know how to make analog clocks.
Wait, wait, wait; am I just discovering that kids are no longer taught basic clockwork in the third grade? Do people who are posting in this thread not know what a mainspring is, or how to build a simple escapement?
'Sundial' vs now is clearly about technology though.
Maybe a more appropriate analogy would be "LOL look at these people still getting their news from physical print instead of the net".
No.... because reading an article on paper and reading an article on a screen aren't 2 different processes.
Like I said. This is about a chance in user interface.
That's an amazing joke. I think I'll be laughing at it well into next week.
Exactly. Kids need to know how to tell time regardless of how they view it.
Ah I get what you're saying. That just makes it worse imo if you're placing a gulf the equivalent of thousands of years between 'interfacing' with an analog vs digital representation of a clock. Are they THAT different or an analog SOO difficult /outdated?
I wouldn't put one over the other. Each have their advantages.
Well apparently schools stopped teaching cursive writing. I learned how to do it but I never do outside of my signature.
A world where petty complaints about trivial struggles results in lazy people not having to learn anything
the gaming woes of the new generation are carrying over into real life
we're doomed
the gaming woes of the new generation are carrying over into real life
we're doomed
I typed that up quick. So don't read too much into it. Just the first thing that came to mind, should've used another word.
Anyways, he could read it. So that's that .
The thing is that when I hear "kids can't read analog clocks" when I get out of it is that kids aren't familiar with using them. If they can do their multiplication tables for the number 5, they can read an analog clock (and if they can't, the clock is not the issue we need to be focusing on).
I was able to functionally read an analog clock when I was probably in 1st or 2nd grade, but it was several more years before I could glance at an analog clock and immediately know the time. From a practical standpoint, I couldn't really use an analog clock to tell the time because telling the time is something you do in 2 seconds.
The thing is that reading an analog clock never gave me any advantages in life, save for maybe avoiding the judgment of anyone finding out if I couldn't, and measuring the educational health of a child by whether or not they can read an analog clock in a world where they're becoming obsolete is completely ridiculous.
Focusing on issues like this should be left to old men shouting at clouds.
If you are not able to figure out how a (numbered) analogue clock works in a room with a window over the course of five minutes I certainly wouldn't want you to program/build a robot I'm supposed to work with anytime soon, sorry
I think it's funny so many people here mentioning there is no use for being able to read analgue clocks nowadays when the article describes a pretty specific case where it was usefull (i.e. reading the time during an exam).
But the article mentions digital clocks were useful.
They know how to tell time. They're not getting rid of clocks. They're replacing them.
This is the textbook definition of circular logic. "Don't take away analog clocks! They need to be able to read analog clocks because analog clocks shouldn't be taken away!"
Its been awhile. We installed analog clocks in our office for decoration purposes (and so everyone else would see me, the young one, up on a ladder risking my life). Never looked at them once. My computer has a clock, my cellphone has a clock, my VoIP phone has a clock... You get the idea.
If you look at a clock where there are hands and you can't read it, then you can't tell time. There are millions of hand clocks in the world. They aren't going to disappear.
Lots of things. One example would be some maths without calculators because it wasn't needed anymore. I remember my parents generatiom being upset about the fact that we didn't learn to divide bigger numbers by hand.
That would be contrary to every bit of evidence you could put together on the subject but okay.
My nephew can't even use a cas chrom, what a world we're making.
The people that haven't put enough though into this and are basically just parroting knee jerk conservatism are far more annoying than people pointing out that knee jerk conservatism is foolish.
How many people. apparently all young for some reason, in this thread do you think lack the ability to read an analogue clock? Also why is this a red flag for anything? There's no logic here, merely a normative statement.
The people that haven't put enough though into this and are basically just parroting knee jerk conservatism are far more annoying than people pointing out that knee jerk conservatism is foolish.
How many people. apparently all young for some reason, in this thread do you think lack the ability to read an analogue clock? Also why is this a red flag for anything? There's no logic here, merely a normative statement.
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I'm pretty sure mathematicians, physicists, etc etc would definitely recommend long division and maths without calculators be absolutely neccessary. How are new scientists going to do anything without understanding the building blocks, the foundation of their craft?
Edit, between this and your ideas of people no longer driving in a few years I'm not entirely sure you're really being realistic about the current state of the world. You seem to be envisioning an idealised future that isn't nearly as close as you think. Maybe if money was no object or we all solve societal problems so that we all club together for the greater good, or maybe ai comes along and things shift dramatically, who knows. But these things are core skills that lead to higher functioning
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Tower to Raven1
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Raven1: what that mean?
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Sadly for Raven1, he never had to learn how to read an analog clock in school.
Don't be like Raven1
Tower to Raven1: You've got a bogey on your 6 coming up fast.
Raven1: what that mean?
Tower: it means behi.....kablamoooooooo
Sadly for Raven1, he never had to learn how to read an analog clock in school.
Don't be like Raven1
Unironically this.
Also, I personally prefer analog clocks because I like the visual representation. I glance up and see I'm halfway through the hour without having to even read numbers. I know that's personal preference, but it's certainly a reason beyond just being a grumpy old man set in his ways.
And I'll say the same thing I say when the topic of phones without headphone jacks is brought up: it's fine if they're going to start removing things that other people don't use, just as long as I still have the option to use the thing I like. I don't see analog watches ever going away, or clock towers replacing their faces with digital displays, so I'm sure everything will be fine.
Clocks are more similar to tools like a calculator than methods like the division algorithm. I think it's comparable to the calculator replacing the slide rule. The bottom line is that it's a more efficient tool.
lol I remember they were saying this way back in the early 90s, they were afraid kids were forgetting how to tell time because of the sudden affordability of digital watches.(Back when they used to be a status symbol remember?) Instead of making publicity hay....never mind. Naomi Klein is right. Turning this thing into a crisis makes way more money.
Well the reason they can't read them properly in the exam is that they never do it elsewhere because or their analog devices. People need to stop behaving like younger people are completely idiots. Yes, I think there's certainly some problems with the development of people's brains in general over time due to media/devices and instant access. But outside that, it's just change.