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Sea of Thieves is MS's most successful new IP this gen (2 Million+ Players and more stats)
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you suppose that the creation of a social experience and the creation of an experience where there are lots unique of things to do within that social space are somehow at odds with one another or nearly impossible to create. Or at best, that we should give Rare a pass here for their $60, very shallow game that has a good social foundation...just because it has said foundation.
No. I disagree strongly and I believe that the game will need more than 5 non-threatening enemy types to give it the kind of longevity that I think people wanted and hoped for from the game. There is no excuse for launching a full-priced game that has such limited things to do and so few ways in which to do them. There is no excuse for this game to have ZERO risk involved in virtually anything you do. The worst thing that can happen here is someone stealing your cargo. Literally nothing else matters. There is no sense of value. No sense of risk. No sense of loss. Everything just respawns. Coupled with demonstrably poor combat in all circumstances (from dumb AI to disappointing weapons to laughable PvP outside of role play), it's just a sandbox game that has no shortage of potential and a very visible inability to meet any of that potential for now. And so people will call it out.
Characterizing complaints as people wanting single-player experiences fails to understand the nature of the concerns. People want things to do with friends that are fun, dynamic, that have risk, that provide enough challenge to actually demand coordination among said friends. Things that result in a story to tell, not just about the fun you had with your friends, but the challenge that was overcome to reach it. And of course, people want the kind of customization you'd expect for a game of this sort. I would have expected no less than several hundred possible ship configurations such that it becomes unlikely that you'll ever see a ship quite like yours as you gain more gold and prestige. Things like that.
Until then, the game will remain short of what I would consider mostly main stream expectations or hopes for the product. Until it at least reaches a form that approximates that, it will be a $60 early access game.
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Seriously OP are you a paid shille for Microsoft just doing your best to keep nothing but positive vibes. Did you really write that title yourself?
2 million players...it literally says that in the thread title.
Umm. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the OP, it's just quotes from the press release.
I don't think it's that hard to understand. It's 2 million people playing.
They have not put out sales numbers.
There shouldn't be any confusion if people read the thread.
Easy there big fella. Why the hostility?
Btw, Destructoid literally used the exact same headline. https://www.destructoid.com/sea-of-...essful-new-ip-of-this-generation-496294.phtml
Definitely not the latter one.
The titel, the text in the opening post and the PR article make it pretty clear.
Just wanted to make sure
I read the OP but then read most of the thread and everyone acting like it sold 2 million copies.
I don't know about this, putting someone in a world and telling them to do what they want without providing them ways to entertain them other than having fun with friends (varied and certainly more than in this game) doesn't sound good, how many games have actually pulled this off successfully? (Minecraft I guess is the only one?), there is also a problem with the world being bland, as in it is not worth exploring because there is nothing special to discover, maybe this will be solved in the future.
Personally I always need a carrot to follow in multiplayer games as a gamer, games like Destiny, The Division and MMOs do this greatly with constinatly getting your character better be it through gear or getting newer skills, a cosmetic only progression will be dropped by me fast, it remains to be seen how long will players be engaged with the game and if they made the right choice.
Great news - hope this keeps Rare afloat so they can actually create content for the game
The base is amazing
But one enemy type? Zombies at least? Monsters?
No other water animals?
No npc boats? Ghost ships? Treaure galleons?
So much that could improve the game
The base is amazing
But one enemy type? Zombies at least? Monsters?
No other water animals?
No npc boats? Ghost ships? Treaure galleons?
So much that could improve the game
If the dev posting to reddit is any indication they DID know and had no faith in their own teams concerns.
Grats. Always good to have lots of players, especially in an online only game.
Game's not for me at this point in time due to not enough content, but Rare has a good base here. They just need to provide new and continuing content and updates. Hell, No Man's Sky did it, Sea of Thieves can.
Game's not for me at this point in time due to not enough content, but Rare has a good base here. They just need to provide new and continuing content and updates. Hell, No Man's Sky did it, Sea of Thieves can.
I'm really happy that SoT is this successful, but I'm not sure if we can say Rare is back just yet. Despite the success, all the negative impressions and reviews of the game have been disheartening to read. A very divisive game like this doesn't exactly scream the return of Rare to me.
I will say that it's nice to have Rare back to making "real" games after all the Kinect stuff. As others have said, they have a good base here. They just need to improve on it and capitalize on this success.
I will say that it's nice to have Rare back to making "real" games after all the Kinect stuff. As others have said, they have a good base here. They just need to improve on it and capitalize on this success.
See, this right here is the ILLUSION of progression. You are getting stronger weapons and armor, and the enemies are getting stronger at an almost equivalent rate. If you play missions that match your level, chances are, you're facing the same challenge that you would at a lower level with lower difficulty. You're playing the same game and doing the same things over and over again, but "ooooh shiny new gun with awesome stats!"...... that takes the same number of shots to kill enemies scaled to a comparable level.
Sea of Thieves dispatches with all of that, which ends up being a necessity, as it creates an equal playing field for all players at all times in the PvP sense (which can happen at any time in the world).
Me, I'm fine with cosmetic progression. I've been saving up for a set of sails that I'm going to be so proud to hang once I've earned them. It's actually refreshing to not get showered with instant gratification in the form of gear every time I fart. It actually means something to buy an expensive item.
I'll admit, the system isn't for everybody - but there is absolutely no shortage of games out there that do things the way that some people complain SoT does not. Why can't it do its own thing? Why is there such desperation to make this game like every other game out there?
Yup yup. And SoT has a far larger team and budget behind it. There's no reason this game shouldn't be a considerably more robust experience in the future.
Time will tell.
You realize that just means the base game is so unsatisfying to many that they'd prefer the illusion of progress to nothing at all.
Microsofts new ip output is garbage. Along with their output in general. It doesnt take much to be the most successful when its only competing with the likes of recore and quantum break.
What's the purpose of such a post?
Did you feel attacked because people pointed out your lack of reading comprehension and now you try to lash out?
Hooray for Rare, this game is so much fun !
Was only just reminded of it by your avatar, but the art direction in SoT really is strikingly similar to Viva Pinata. Guessing SoT uses an adapted version of the same engine.
You say unsatisfying to many, I say unsatisfying to people who haven't even played the game (let alone enough to say there is "not enough content") who are just parroting the same talking points over and over.
How many hours have you put in?
That's true for Destiny, but definitely not the case in the MMOs I've played, I have a near maxed character in Neverwinter and I'm now able to solo content which I was previously doing with a group of 5, it feels great to be able to do such a thing and that's not possible in SoT.
It can be whatever the developers want it to be as we have no right over the game, however, it's currently getting criticized for not having the standards expected from these games by reviewers and players.
Was only just reminded of it by your avatar, but the art direction in SoT really is strikingly similar to Viva Pinata. Guessing SoT uses an adapted version of the same engine.
I think SoT uses UE4. Not sure if viva pinata used an older UE variation.
User warned: Stop trolling and derailing the thread by making it about you while attacking fellow users.
I'm so hurt by your post
You can't read .. Waaahhhhhh
Why do you think I pity your existence ?
This makes me happy for Rare and happy for Microsoft. But double for Rare. The company might be a shadow of itself, as many are with multiple exoduses and employee exits, but at its heart, Rare is still that company that makes some intriguing and often quirky games.
So is there anywhere we can see a current player count or something showing things like new unique players per day?
If only film/literary criticism was evaluated by this sort of formulaic system of checking certain boxes in compliance with industry trends. The only films that would be praised would be Marvel films, and the only books that would be praised would be those written by Dan Brown.
I think the closest is the most played section on Xbox Live.
SoT is #6 currently, surpassed CoD WWII last time I saw.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/most-played/games/xbox
Fanboyism is an issue when it comes to almost any first party game discussion. Even more so when said game has a mixed reception
Goes both ways. It's important to try not to take people's overboard reactions personally.
You need to change that to "Every. Single. 1st party. Thread."
The only reason you may notice it more with Microsoft threads is because they have performed the worst this gen (unless you count the Wii U).
I'm not sure, but a quick Google shows that Viva Pinata may have been running on a custom in-house RARE engine, though Party Animals used Krome Studios own engine instead. If true, that means they replicated a similar art direction from their past games/engine on to Unreal 4. Pretty interesting nonetheless. I wonder what the main reasons were for them switching over to Unreal 4 instead of continuing to expand on and develop their in-house engine.
Sea of Thieves was prototyped on Unity. UE4 seems like an amazing engine though (no personal experience). It doesn't even have a tell-tale look like UE3 had, but allows a huge variety of styles.
From what I remember the lead concept artist for Viva Pinata is now the art director for Sea of Thieves, which explains it.
Destiny.....use to do this...it doesnt anymore.
Game has its own carrots, like things you can put on your ship, that you can buy from being the scurviest sea dog on the waters. Whether that's doing quests or setting out to attack others and attempt to steal their goods (if you can find them)
Games like this don't need direction because it gives you the freedom to do whatever you want. You see that island over there? You can sail to it.