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SEGA/Sonic Team Announces #SONIC2020 Campaign, With New Logo And Promotional Art
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They do, yes. Colors sold as well as Generations, if I remember correctly
Probably not even Forces Team are developing next Sonic game though. I learned here on Era that Sonic Team is just an ad-hoc team that is created within CS2.
This is true but even with a modest budget we can still get a high quality title. But it needs a good team behind it and a clear direction.
Hm, I didn't know that. Would explain the vast differences in style and quality of each Sonic game from '06 to now. Even games that were seemingly meant to evoke others in the series (Colors, Generations, Generations, and Forces most notably) all feel very different from one another.
Since people have been using some pretty inaccurate images of Sonic Forces and Generations for comparisons, I reinstalled forces and took screenshots from both at 1920x1080 with max in-game settings. Those images were shrunk to 50% and stacked with Generations on top, Forces on bottom. I've also got a bunch of lossless screenshots available in this folder. Enjoy:
They never gave a good explanation for why Green Hill is "more like Sand Hill," did they?Since people have been using some pretty inaccurate images of Sonic Forces and Generations for comparisons, I reinstalled forces and took screenshots from both at 1920x1080 with max in-game settings. Those images were shrunk to 50% and stacked with Generations on top, Forces on bottom. I've also got a bunch of lossless screenshots available in this folder. Enjoy:
I don't see how anyone can say Forces looks better when comparing them side by side. It's not like it's an ugly game by any means, but it's certainly not a notable improvement from its predecessor.Since people have been using some pretty inaccurate images of Sonic Forces and Generations for comparisons, I reinstalled forces and took screenshots from both at 1920x1080 with max in-game settings. Those images were shrunk to 50% and stacked with Generations on top, Forces on bottom. I've also got a bunch of lossless screenshots available in this folder. Enjoy:
The game also reused so many assets from Generations. Like... lol, really? Both Green Hill and Chemical Plant existing in Forces is so lazy.
Senoue has been free since TSR and Ohtani was working on Tokyo 2020, so maybe Senoue will finally be sound director/lead composer for a 3D Sonic game in over a decade.
I guess it doesn't even matter if the next game is planned for a release late next year. Ohtani does a lot of work as well.
It's clear that with the restructuring, the budget releases, and sending Iizuka back to the US, Sega of Japan really doesn't really care about the Sonic games themselves and is giving Sega of America more control. The series hasn't sold well in Japan for years.
I guess it doesn't even matter if the next game is planned for a release late next year. Ohtani does a lot of work as well.
Iizuka, Nakamura, and Kishimoto are still the de facto managers/leads of the series, so you would at least expect there to be some sort of consistency.
It's clear that with the restructuring, the budget releases, and sending Iizuka back to the US, Sega of Japan really doesn't really care about the Sonic games themselves and is giving Sega of America more control. The series hasn't sold well in Japan for years.
Sonic Forces I could see was a mistake from the first teaser trailer where it confirmed 2 Sonics again. The minute I saw it was going to be Generations style again I lost interest. The fact the game was as bad as it was just made it even worse. I was already disappointed just from it not moving on. Lost World is hardly a great game. It has a lot of problems. But at least it tried something and had some interesting ideas. I'd have been interested in a sequel.
Do the games even sell well in America anymore? I don't think we were given sales figures for Forces or TSR, and even Mania's celebratory sales figure press releases were for selling like... what, about a million copies?
Clearly Sonic Team realize something is wrong, considering we don't get annual releases anymore, but they really need to make a big change if the series is gonna sell the way it used to. They released too many shitty and/or inconsistent games between Sonic Heroes and Forces, the series does not have a sense of identity that people other than inconsistent quality.
Forces almost definitely sold under a million, which should be a wake-up call for Sonic Team. They probably went back to Sonic Adventure in response.
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Pfft.I didn't enjoy Sonic Forces but that comparison isn't fair. Green hill in generations was over satured of useless palm trees. (almost cloned ?)
If you look closely elements like buildings are much more complex in Force. Not to mention fire, smoke, reflections, war zone with gigantic robots moving all
around the place.
(Look at the flat houses on 360... On PS4 there are balconies, detailed structures compared to the army of low polygones buildings on the previous generation of consoles.
That's not a beautiful game but not a regression except for the empty green hill which is more an answer to the over saturated version of Generations.
Forces might have a higher poly count in spots, but it sure as hell is a regression when it comes to the density of the detail in the stages and their length. It lacks so much of the technology that allowed Unleashed/Generations to actually stream in high quality terrain and lighting. PBR and realtime GI doesn't really make up for that downgrade at all.
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Back to Sonic Adventure is an ok response, but really it needs more than that. The franchise needs a Sonic Rush type reinvention. Something to really turn the series on its head but still retain the identity of Sonic and be high quality.
I can't see Forces eclipsing a million units, I haven't heard anyone talk about this game other than Sonic die hard fans. I wouldn't have even played it if not for the fact that my friend bought it for me as a gag birthday gift, haha.
I still am not fully convinced a remake of Adventure 1 is coming out. Iizuka made a comment pertaining to his desire to make such a game, but I'm pretty sure that's all we got. Correct me if I'm wrong though, please.
The idea of an Adventure remake is a weird one, too. On one hand, of all the Sonic games that would most benefit from a remake, I'd say that Sonic Adventure 1 is probably the best possible choice among them for the following reasons:
* It could follow suit the current trend of early 3D game remakes ala Crash and Spyro
* The game presented many ideas, both good and bad, that could use polish and improvement
* A remake could help re-contextualize the series in the modern age
* The game follows more closely modern game design conventions than many modern Sonic games have (e.g. hub worlds, extra features that influence phone/app usage ala the Chao, etc.)
There's no evidence of Lost World passing a million sales either. That's even after combining the Wii U and 3DS versions, which is what Sega did in their earnings report even though they're different games. The number was around 700K by the end of that FY and I doubt either version had good legs.
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I think lost world (maybe we don't know for sure) not passing a million is understandable because wii u and all, but if it's true for forces then yeah, that's pretty bad. I said before that this series sales numbers are on kirby level these years(which is not an insult to kirby,is one of my fav series) but that would be actually below that. They need to get their shit together fast.
Speculation. It just makes sense, though. Sonic Team can either continue to face diminishing returns on the boost formula, take a risk with a brand new gameplay style, or go back to the Adventure style that fans have been requesting.
Iizuka stated a few months, maybe a year back that he's interested in remaking the game and ironing out its rough edges. There's not much else to substantiate the rumor than this.
Did Mania eclipse far beyond a million units? It clearly performed better than Forces but I reckon they want sales higher than a million copies when it comes to their premier franchise.
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Why do people ask for a remake of a game that featured total garbage gameplay such as Amy, Big and Chao? Sonic Team should use their resourced to make a new game.
No one is saying the DC version was glitch/jank free. But it simply wasn't that frequent. In a 6-campaign play session, I might encounter 2, maybe 3 instances of "jank", which is honestly nothing. People make SA1 DC to be Big Rigs Over the Road Racing: the platformer.
Wow. People LOOOOOOOOOOVE the Chao Garden. Except Professor Beef. And you I guess. But the "Chao gameplay" is one of the most fan requested reasons for a return to Adventure. It also made for a great incentive to revisit stages.
While Amy and Big weren't big hits with fans initially, a remake is an opportunity to make improvements for their gameplay (although I personally have always liked Amy's momentum based height traversal).
who dares summon me
just another sign to never listen to fans
chao do not represent happiness, they get their name from CHAOS
I would love a good Sonic Adventure remake. If they develop one and can't surpass the original in quality then don't make it.
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But there's nothing more blissful than having your anthropomorphic animal character rocking a baby chao and telling it "there there"
You can't hate that
You have a sickness friend.literally me
Let Iizuka help you.
the only cure is injuring chaoYou have a sickness friend.
Let Iizuka help you.
Big and Chao are unsalvagable. They are bottom tier bullshit. I am saddened to see that Professor Beef has failed to bring reason to the Sonic community here!
Big isn't just a threat to game design, he's a threat to polygonal fish everywhere. End the normalization of fishing in story-driven videogames!!
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I will offer my opinion on Chao. I don't get it. I never got it.
But I support their return because it's clearly popular and I support Sega incorporating that shit in the current mobile market and sqeezing the life out of you people with microtransactions. It's what Chao Garden fans deserve.
But I support their return because it's clearly popular and I support Sega incorporating that shit in the current mobile market and sqeezing the life out of you people with microtransactions. It's what Chao Garden fans deserve.
I never liked the Chao stuff, I never liked Chao's either. If I could shoot Omochao into the sun I would. That said, aside from a couple of emblems it was never actually something the game forced you to do, so I was never bothered about it so if it returns, fine.
I like Amy's gameplay, she just needed better levels and also more than three of them.
I accidentally activated Omochao twice and then modded him out of the game.
I'm honestly fine with Amy being slower than Sonic (her being as fast as him would make the whole getting chased by Zero thing kinda pointless), but she definitely needs better acceleration to make better use of her actually-fun-to-use Hammer Jump.
Her moves from Advance would work well. They were pretty much expanded on versions of her Adventure moves anyway.
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Fine... take another year on your namesake, but 2021 better be the return of PSO
2021 is Sonic's 30th anniversary so nah lmao
I'm just going to cross-post my list of suggestions for an eventual SA1 remake from the other thread.
These are somewhat ordered by importance.