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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!

Oct 27, 2017
677
i beat phase two a bit differently than most folks - instead of staying back, I got right under him for the scream using the umbrella - even the basic one makes you immune. Then I’d hit him with the umbrella (projected force I think it’s called?) and hack away at his legs. The trick is that means you can’t use many firecrackers in phase 1.


That's a cool approach, I never thought to use that or realized that would stop the terror. I'm sure that's quicker.


To be honest though, you really don't need to use any prosthetic tools to beat him. My initial runs I used firecrackers, but then felt like it was a waste anyway. In Phase 1, just learning his attacks and parrying and dodging is really not that difficult. He opens himself to a ton of damage if you parry and dodge around him. And I and others have described a careful, but longer, approach to taking him out in Phase 2 without much difficulty. Your approach sounds faster for Phase 2 though and I will try it next time.
 
Oct 27, 2017
677
Grab attacks hitboxes are shite lol.

They have tracking which sucks - I guess otherwise they'd be too easy to avoid. I think with the Ogre I just stayed back pretty far and avoided them as best I could With the ape
his Phase 1 rolling grab, dodging to the forward left seemed like it worked the best to avoid it, jumping and dodging backwards he would still grab you unless you were already a good ways back. The regular grab you could just jump over.
 
Oct 27, 2017
565
Yooo I just noticed in one of the endings

When sekiro stabs Owl, he's holding the black Open Gate mortal blade that Genichiro got. How does it have it?
 
Oct 27, 2017
677
Haha. The crouch is cool, but it looks like he's just seen a penny on the floor, and happens to dodge the kick accidentally as he picks it up.

Either that was a lucky accident or that player is insanely gifted. If you can crouch as a dodge routinely in this game you are way better at video games than I am (which is not too hard, but I never realized people were doing this).
 
Oct 27, 2017
195
The XP you need is the same, it doesn't reset. It increases with each skill point. You get more XP per enemy in NG+. You get additional XP if you refuse the charm.

The charm does make things considerably harder. I found the regular bosses to be OK so far, but random parts of the game like the bull and armor warrior are now just impossible (NG+4). NG+ with the charm is more like a victory run... I kinda recommend that if you're still going for all the endings
I’m confused, I’m on my second play through (NG+) and I received Kuro’s Charm. Once I met Kuro for the first time he asked me if I have anything for him and I have the option to give him the charm or keep it, but I kept the charm. By keeping the charm I’m playing on a harder difficulty or harder difficulty activates once you give Kuro the charm?
 
Nov 2, 2017
906
I’m confused, I’m on my second play through (NG+) and I received Kuro’s Charm. Once I met Kuro for the first time he asked me if I have anything for him and I have the option to give him the charm or keep it, but I kept the charm. By keeping the charm I’m playing on a harder difficulty or harder difficulty activates once you give Kuro the charm?
When you give it to him
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,633
UK
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,719
Farming xp for the all skills trophy is so mind numbingly boring. Ugh, now I'm reminded why I have so few platinums.
It's probably my least favorite system in the game. The rewards besides a couple aren't game changers, it takes forever to get a point, and you lose them so easily if you die a lot. Love the game but they should've really given out those points more freely since the rewards aren't amazing enough to merit the tightfisted-ness. I don't feel the game would be too terribly unbalanced if bosses (and maybe mini-bosses) gave a point per deathblow. Would things really get wild if they just threw around XP especially since you're restricted to only one combat art equipped. Everyone just using ichimonji anyway.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,593
UK
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
Yeah everyone says the underwater ones are easier though I found them tougher, basically because I never got the hang of movement underwater I'd move way past them constantly and struggle to get hits in. With the two headless you only have to kill one.
 
Nov 2, 2017
906
For underwater headless, one is an illusion and way weaker, I just rushed that one and burned a resurrection but got him down, then the other one is pretty easy by itself
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,593
UK
It's probably my least favorite system in the game. The rewards besides a couple aren't game changers, it takes forever to get a point, and you lose them so easily if you die a lot. Love the game but they should've really given out those points more freely since the rewards aren't amazing enough to merit the tightfisted-ness. I don't feel the game would be too terribly unbalanced if bosses (and maybe mini-bosses) gave a point per deathblow. Would things really get wild if they just threw around XP especially since you're restricted to only one combat art equipped. Everyone just using ichimonji anyway.
Yeah it's so boring. I mean I get it, I'm not forced to do this and I don't normally care for platinums but i got all the other trophies so figured I might as well grind out this last one.

I only need 6 more skill points but it's getting to the point where one skill point is taking like 15, 20 minutes. It's so incredibly boring lol
 
Oct 25, 2017
288
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
It is a shitty and unfair fight, especially because you are under water and have less mobility and you sometimes cannot avoid those terror projectiles that come from the other headless. What I did is to try to swim fast around the real one (the other is an illusion), and close the distance when he tries the sort of grab attack he has. If you lose health or terror is building up, go hide behind the wreckage that is right next to the headless (just behind him) and recover there.
You should be able to do it in a few tries.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,633
UK
Yeah everyone says the underwater ones are easier though I found them tougher, basically because I never got the hang of movement underwater I'd move way past them constantly and struggle to get hits in. With the two headless you only have to kill one.
The lone underwater Headless was the first one I fought and I killed it no problem, but this is garbage - how can I avoid an attack coming from an ememy behind me and I can't see what it's doing, and it has homing properties? And when they hit, it insta-kills, even with buffs?
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,655
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
People seen divided on this but the difference was pretty clear to me, you can pop confetti before diving and that will do extra damage, once you get down there, you still have a lot of time on the buff left. I also assume someone has already told you that one is a fake, you just have to kill the real one and the fake disappears. What I found best was to keep the real one between you and the fake as much as I could. With that set up, a lot of the fakes attacks miss without you having to worry about him. Stay close to the real one and you can mostly get away with only dodging when he does his kanji attack which is a suck in leading to a grab. Treat the fight like a dps check, don’t play defensive, you want to just kill him before he kills you, I think on muni successful attempt I only used the health gourd and purple gourd once and it was for safety, I don’t think I even got hit again afterwards.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,593
UK
The lone underwater Headless was the first one I fought and I killed it no problem, but this is garbage - how can I avoid an attack coming from an ememy behind me and I can't see what it's doing, and it has homing properties? And when they hit, it insta-kills, even with buffs?
Hmm it shouldn't instakill you. I know you said you are using pacyfying agent right? Popping divine confetti too?
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,655
The lone underwater Headless was the first one I fought and I killed it no problem, but this is garbage - how can I avoid an attack coming from an ememy behind me and I can't see what it's doing, and it has homing properties? And when they hit, it insta-kills, even with buffs?
The bolded is probably your hurdle. Never be between them. If dodging puts you in that position, keep swimming around so that you are on the other side.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,626
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
Some tips:
if you put the real one between you and the other one, there are some rocks you can hide behind so the other one can;t hit you while you try to heal. You should do just one attack at a time then run away to the rocks. Pressing the dodge then attack thrust worked pretty well.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,045
Argentina
I have no intention to come back to Sekiro after getting the platinum and playing all the way through NG++ but, what is this
double headless you're all talking about? Didn't know it existed. :O
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,590
Montreal
i beat phase two a bit differently than most folks - instead of staying back, I got right under him for the scream using the umbrella - even the basic one makes you immune. Then I’d hit him with the umbrella (projected force I think it’s called?) and hack away at his legs. The trick is that means you can’t use many firecrackers in phase 1.
Did you beat him?
I mean Owl
 
May 29, 2018
1,576
After dying to the final boss about 200 times, I farmed EXP for hours to unlock Living Force and...what the hell is that supposed to be? It lasts maybe 4 or 5 seconds and it doesn't help me at all. Alright, back to dying over and over again.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,593
UK
After dying to the final boss about 200 times, I farmed EXP for hours to unlock Living Force and...what the hell is that supposed to be? It lasts maybe 4 or 5 seconds and it doesn't help me at all. Alright, back to dying over and over again.
Have you tried the cheesy strat of just running and waiting for him to do a move run in and hit him twice then running again?
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,633
UK
Finally did it. I took out the illusory one first. Once there was only one of them, it was no problem just like the first one. But the double one was garbage. Gank Squad, Horsefuck valley levels of trash.
 
Oct 25, 2017
288
I have no intention to come back to Sekiro after getting the platinum and playing all the way through NG++ but, what is this
double headless you're all talking about? Didn't know it existed. :O
There are actually 5 Headless.

- One you can reach from the stairway idol in Ashina Outskirts and can also be reached from the Demon bell idol.
- One spawns in the moat behind Ashina Castle.
- One is in the Fountainhead lake along with a copy, which is an illusion
- One is in the hidden forest area.
- One is in the Sunken valley, in the area from where you can see Ashina Outskirts and where you find a prayer bead. There is a pool and if you swim to the bottom there is a passage to a hidden cave with another headless.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,888
I'm on the last boss (I think) and I somehow missed a ton of bosses you guys talked about in this thread. I guess I should have read up on the multiple endings but I didn't want to spoil anything.

In any case I think I'm done after I finish this fight (if it is the last one). I enjoyed the game but I'm pretty burnt out.
 
Oct 27, 2017
799
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
Omg lol
I beat this boss without realizing there was an extra one? Now that I think about it I did see two beings there and after the fight I was looking for the other one. I didn’t find it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,719
For the underwater dudes, I just used my jab attack (hold attack button) to zoom in then circle to zoom out to a safe spot. If you strafe by spamming circle you can zoom around and not get hit by the tracking terror bullets.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,043
do i am less of a man if i use the mega cheese strategy for the
DoH?
If it's the cliff thing, I don't think so. Honestly, I felt more accomplishment having done that than killing
Father Owl

Took me some good 30 minutes to figure out how to climb the tower and make the jump.
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,451
If it's the cliff thing, I don't think so. Honestly, I felt more accomplishment having done that than killing
Father Owl

Took me some good 30 minutes to figure out how to climb the tower and make the jump.
dont tell me that, i havent being able to defeat
Father Owl :(
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,045
Argentina
Oh Ok.
the second one there is just an illusion and is gone once you kill the real one
Yep which several people including myself have already told him.
No worries.

I'm trying to remember and I kinda think that I've seen the illusion kinda mixed with the original but at this point I'm not sure if I'm inventing the memory or it really happened lol.
 
Jan 10, 2018
2,059
Umeå, Sweden
My process during every boss fight:

1. Have a rather promising start where I manage to put up a fight.

2. Starts to get worse the more I focus on looking for openings.

3. Shift my focus from winning to just learning the movesets.

4. Brain has a meltdown and becomes inable to respond correctly to unblockable attacks.

5. Rage mode engages and everything is just a sloppy mess.

6. Gather myself and try to stay calm.

7. 10 more tries of doing that with no success.

8. Starts going to youtube to look for guides.

9. Discovers a cheese and has no shame in using it.

10. Can still not beat the boss because what looked easy on the video is hard in reality.

11. Loses grip of reality. Why am I doing this? Why was I brought here to suffer? Is there an end to this madness?

12. Looks at clock and realizes 3 hours have gone by.

13. Time for bed... Or am I already sleeping? Is this a nightmare?
 
Oct 25, 2017
747
PDX
Well I was worried that a Future Press guide for this was going to go the route that their Nioh guide did... and it looks like it might. Set to come out on the 15th, it is now showing the 30th. Same thing happened with their Nioh guide. Kept getting pushed back and then eventually they finally confirmed it was cancelled.

At this point I am nearly done with my first playthrough, but I still love their guides for the Souls games and was looking forward to flipping through this on my NG+ run. Really hope it still comes out, but like I said, I was skeptical it was ever coming out to begin with and even said as much (I did this to myself!) when the preorder link was shared in the Previews thread =(

Hope it's just delayed!
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,775
Still stuck on Double Headless (I know it's optional).

This is the trashiest, cheapest garbage I've experienced in this game thus far. Some tries I go in and die instantly as soon as I get close, like I haven't even got out of the swimming animation to even get one swing in before I'm insta-dead from the homing crap, and I've tried timing it to get there between attacks, and this is with using a pacifying agent before I go under, saving the purple gourd for when needed. There will be no satisfaction when (if?!) I get past this, just sourness that they made an encounter this cheap and shitty.
Go to tree idol, walk out on long branch. Use Confetti and pacifying agent and dive in. Immediately swim to the the weaker one with only one health bar. Swim behind and just spam R1. If you took damage or terror, use healing and purple gourd. Go the second headless and fight identical to the solo underwater headless from before.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,960
The 2nd
Seven spears
was even easier than the first. The second time a puppet has trivialized a mini boss encounter for me.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,043
My process during every boss fight:

1. Have a rather promising start where I manage to put up a fight.

2. Starts to get worse the more I focus on looking for openings.

3. Shift my focus from winning to just learning the movesets.

4. Brain has a meltdown and becomes inable to respond correctly to unblockable attacks.

5. Rage mode engages and everything is just a sloppy mess.

6. Gather myself and try to stay calm.

7. 10 more tries of doing that with no success.

8. Starts going to youtube to look for guides.

9. Discovers a cheese and has no shame in using it.

10. Can still not beat the boss because what looked easy on the video is hard in reality.

11. Loses grip of reality. Why am I doing this? Why was I brought here to suffer? Is there an end to this madness?

12. Looks at clock and realizes 3 hours have gone by.

13. Time for bed... Or am I already sleeping? Is this a nightmare?
I laughed so hard, thanks for this post.

Bolded part is is pretty much my take from the game.
 
Oct 27, 2017
854
Virginia
Yooo I just noticed in one of the endings

When sekiro stabs Owl, he's holding the black Open Gate mortal blade that Genichiro got. How does it have it?
I wondered that, too, and after looking around, someone pointed out in the Shura ending, the item Owl places by Isshin's body is possibly Genichiro's head. Did Owl somehow kill Genichiro to get it while you were fighting the Shura ending bosses?