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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!

Oct 27, 2017
1,623
Finally beat the game last night, by the skin of my teeth. I used up all my gourd healing, pellets, and even a Divine Grass, but I got him.
Isshin Sword Saint
isn't so bad, though. I copied off my save first, so I'm going to go back and give him a proper thrashing. I won't need that much healing again.

Looking back, it's funny, but the mini-bosses are harder than the bosses, except for their lower health. The bosses are a grind, but I think most of then telegraph their moves much more than several mini-bosses do.
 
Jan 27, 2018
2,359
My process during every boss fight:

1. Have a rather promising start where I manage to put up a fight.

2. Starts to get worse the more I focus on looking for openings.

3. Shift my focus from winning to just learning the movesets.

4. Brain has a meltdown and becomes inable to respond correctly to unblockable attacks.

5. Rage mode engages and everything is just a sloppy mess.

6. Gather myself and try to stay calm.

7. 10 more tries of doing that with no success.

8. Starts going to youtube to look for guides.

9. Discovers a cheese and has no shame in using it.

10. Can still not beat the boss because what looked easy on the video is hard in reality.

11. Loses grip of reality. Why am I doing this? Why was I brought here to suffer? Is there an end to this madness?

12. Looks at clock and realizes 3 hours have gone by.

13. Time for bed... Or am I already sleeping? Is this a nightmare?
This was great haha.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,045
Argentina
My process during every boss fight:

1. Have a rather promising start where I manage to put up a fight.

2. Starts to get worse the more I focus on looking for openings.

3. Shift my focus from winning to just learning the movesets.

4. Brain has a meltdown and becomes inable to respond correctly to unblockable attacks.

5. Rage mode engages and everything is just a sloppy mess.

6. Gather myself and try to stay calm.

7. 10 more tries of doing that with no success.

8. Starts going to youtube to look for guides.

9. Discovers a cheese and has no shame in using it.

10. Can still not beat the boss because what looked easy on the video is hard in reality.

11. Loses grip of reality. Why am I doing this? Why was I brought here to suffer? Is there an end to this madness?

12. Looks at clock and realizes 3 hours have gone by.

13. Time for bed... Or am I already sleeping? Is this a nightmare?
I beat bosses in step 7 or in step 14: Try again the next day and beat the boss in two attempts.
 
Oct 27, 2017
565
I wondered that, too, and after looking around, someone pointed out in the Shura ending, the item Owl places by Isshin's body is possibly Genichiro's head. Did Owl somehow kill Genichiro to get it while you were fighting the Shura ending bosses?
I think you're right,that's the only way it could have gone UNLESS Owl happened to find it first this time, somehow, which I doubt. Wonder how he is managing to have it unsheathed though (assuming it has the same curse as the Red Mortal blade)
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,623
This doesn't take 60 seconds, the jumps can take long ass time. It can take less time to beat the boss legit lol when I was frustrated I tried this and couldn't make it so I said fuck it and tried the legit way and beat him easily.
Yeah, I saw this same cheese technique for the earlier boss in that area, before DoH was there in my game. Out of curiosity, I tried climbing up and making that jump, and couldn't do it.

When I did get to DoH, he wasn't so hard. I might never have pulled off that jump.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,971
This piece of cut content pretty much explains all of the references that were bugging me:


Mibu was in fact once a direct reference to Bloodborne. It's no coincidence at all.

But the direct references to both Bloodborne and Lovecraft were changed, probably because they didn't want people speculating it was in the same universe, exactly like Gascoigne saying Umbasa in the Bloodborne alpha.

But what remained in the game was still enough for me and many others to still speculate that Bloodborne and Sekiro are in the same universe, LUL.

I wondered that, too, and after looking around, someone pointed out in the Shura ending, the item Owl places by Isshin's body is possibly Genichiro's head. Did Owl somehow kill Genichiro to get it while you were fighting the Shura ending bosses?
Yep, for sure. Take a look at this Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/bb8zuu/some_notes_i_compiled_on_the_real_history_of_the/

According to the writer, the real life inspiration for Genichiro was Ashina Moritaka, who was assassinated by Ōba Sanzaemon. Owl says his real name in the Shura ending, which is Uzui Ukonzaemon. This is no coincidence.
 
My process during every boss fight:

1. Have a rather promising start where I manage to put up a fight.

2. Starts to get worse the more I focus on looking for openings.

3. Shift my focus from winning to just learning the movesets.

4. Brain has a meltdown and becomes inable to respond correctly to unblockable attacks.

5. Rage mode engages and everything is just a sloppy mess.

6. Gather myself and try to stay calm.

7. 10 more tries of doing that with no success.

8. Starts going to youtube to look for guides.

9. Discovers a cheese and has no shame in using it.

10. Can still not beat the boss because what looked easy on the video is hard in reality.

11. Loses grip of reality. Why am I doing this? Why was I brought here to suffer? Is there an end to this madness?

12. Looks at clock and realizes 3 hours have gone by.

13. Time for bed... Or am I already sleeping? Is this a nightmare?
LMFAO!

That's almost exactly how I feel!
 

Morrigan

Armoring
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
9,034
I wondered that, too, and after looking around, someone pointed out in the Shura ending, the item Owl places by Isshin's body is possibly Genichiro's head. Did Owl somehow kill Genichiro to get it while you were fighting the Shura ending bosses?
Oh shit what
I'll need to re-watch that ending, I missed this (the part I bolded)

I did notice
that Wolf was holding the black blade though and I found that odd.

Yep, for sure. Take a look at this Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/bb8zuu/some_notes_i_compiled_on_the_real_history_of_the/

According to the writer, the real life inspiration for Genichiro was Ashina Moritaka, who was assassinated by Ōba Sanzaemon. Owl says his real name in the Shura ending, which is Uzui Ukonzaemon. This is no coincidence.
Wow this is a great find.

The last part in the Reddit post is totally stuff in Nioh too, I recognize all of those names (Iknowsomeofthesewords.gif). :3
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,051
Final boss down! Actually it was not as hard as described... Hardest boss for me were some minibosses! Snake eyes in particular!
Cant wait to start ng+
 
Jan 14, 2019
1,030
That's a cool approach, I never thought to use that or realized that would stop the terror. I'm sure that's quicker.


To be honest though, you really don't need to use any prosthetic tools to beat him. My initial runs I used firecrackers, but then felt like it was a waste anyway. In Phase 1, just learning his attacks and parrying and dodging is really not that difficult. He opens himself to a ton of damage if you parry and dodge around him. And I and others have described a careful, but longer, approach to taking him out in Phase 2 without much difficulty. Your approach sounds faster for Phase 2 though and I will try it next time.
I had trouble getting out of the terror radius tbh
 
Oct 28, 2017
283
I’m stuck. I just got to Ashina Castle proper over the moat. I unlocked the crypt statue to fight that blue light thing (haven’t attempted), the one on the left that leads to the seven Ashina Spears guy at the moon tower. I can’t for the life of me beat this guy. As far as the dream goes, I went around and finished the drunken dude, but idk where to go next. Spear wielding enemies are the worst. So much range and some moves that have such short animations.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,775
I’m stuck. I just got to Ashina Castle proper over the moat. I unlocked the crypt statue to fight that blue light thing (haven’t attempted), the one on the left that leads to the seven Ashina Spears guy at the moon tower. I can’t for the life of me beat this guy. As far as the dream goes, I went around and finished the drunken dude, but idk where to go next. Spear wielding enemies are the worst. So much range and some moves that have such short animations.
You can cheese
Seven Spears if you like. Sneak in the house from the side like you did in the beginning of the game, then death blow from behind. Then jump off the stairs to the left. As he starts down the stairs jump and hit him. He’ll stay on the stairs and you are free to jump and hit as you like. If you stay right up against the stairs he should miss you with all attacks unless you jump at a bad time.
 

Morrigan

Armoring
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
9,034
They should've had a balloon for XP instead of rez power. Getting a new rez takes like five seconds.
Yeah it's pretty useless.

I am nearing the end of playthrough #4/NG+++, and I still have 5 points left for the last skill (I stupidly wasted 5 points on 1 ATK power in NG.... regrets). I probably won't make it by playing naturally, but we'll see. No way I'm farming, even if it's the last "achievement" I need.
 
Oct 27, 2017
677
I had trouble getting out of the terror radius tbh

Yeah my approach was just to stay back, 2 hits after jumping over swim move and then jump away like hell, and 4 hits after sword drop move opening and jump away like hell.

I'd still get some terror build up, but more like 10-20% health hits when I did get caught on my way out.

Its safe and effective, but slow.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,593
UK
Yeah it's pretty useless.

I am nearing the end of playthrough #4/NG+++, and I still have 5 points left for the last skill (I stupidly wasted 5 points on 1 ATK power in NG.... regrets). I probably won't make it by playing naturally, but we'll see. No way I'm farming, even if it's the last "achievement" I need.
Don't blame you. I need 4 more skill points. The next one is 72000 xp :/
 
Oct 27, 2017
457
The game is finally clicking. Stealth, combat, deflecting... I'm getting the hang of everything, finally! Portions with regular enemies are taking 10th of the time they used when I first started playing.

Feels so gooooood.
 
Oct 27, 2017
677
I guess I have the
2 Apes
coming up tonight based on what I've heard. I wonder if the
prosethic finger thing
from the first fight is helpful for that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,462
Oct 26, 2017
4,062
Austria
I guess I can stop playing the game. After like 20+ tries of trying to beat the first ogre mini boss and still not being able to do it (that's with the flame tool...).
Eh.. why this game gives me so much trouble compared to the other From games is beyond me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,462
I guess I can stop playing the game. After like 20+ tries of trying to beat the first ogre mini boss and still not being able to do it (that's with the flame tool...).
Eh.. why this game gives me so much trouble compared to the other From games is beyond me.
You just need to adjust your timing of dodges. You can't spam roll like in Souls and he tracks your dodge unless its perfectly timed. His non grab attacks are super easy to deflect/dodge. If you absolutely have to, just attack him when he does a big jump move and run away until he does it again.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,062
Austria
You just need to adjust your timing of dodges. You can't spam roll like in Souls and he tracks your dodge unless its perfectly timed. His non grab attacks are super easy to deflect/dodge. If you absolutely have to, just attack him when he does a big jump move and run away until he does it again.
I can dodge him just fine. I just don't get the damage in in time to be able to break his posture. First time is pretty easy with the flame tool, but second time, nope :-/
It just feels unnecessarily hard and the tools restrictive. I never felt that flimsy in other From games.
 
Oct 27, 2017
854
Virginia
Oct 25, 2017
3,462
I can dodge him just fine. I just don't get the damage in in time to be able to break his posture. First time is pretty easy with the flame tool, but second time, nope :-/
It just feels unnecessarily hard and the tools restrictive. I never felt that flimsy in other From games.
You have certain things that can make it a bit easier like the Ako sugar or going to another area to get a "Memory" to increase your attack. I will say that path is way harder than just taking out the ogre though. You need to focus on getting his vitality to roughly half and then deflecting to get his posture damage up. I would save some emblems to use fire on both health bars. You could also use a Gaachin's sugar to run along the right side of the stairs up to where he's tied up and get in a stealth blow if you do it just right.
 

Coi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
696
Guys, I know that no one dies for getting dragon rot, but when should I cure them? Is there any guide for "points of no return" to heal NPCs and don't miss any step of the quests?
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,623
Of all the punches in the face this game gave me, I'll not understand why people found Seven Spears hard.



That fucker in the well was 20x worse.


It's fascinating to me how varied the results are for people's difficulty with bosses in this game. I never got the impression that it was so different in the Souls games. It always seemed like there were consensus picks for which ones were hardest.

For example, Well Guy took me 2 tries. Seven Spears took me at least 30. He was the hardest stopping point in the game, for me, harder than any boss. And not just 30 straight tries. I gave up doing it on my own and consulted YouTube, but couldn't pull off the fight with recommended strategies (fireworks, jumping on his head), either. I gave up on that, and consulted "how to cheese" videos, and couldn't replicate those, either. Eventually, I found my own cheese method (same thing, really, just a different spot). I was happy to run into him again late in the game, thinking I'd thrash him after all that experience, and he still gave me an embarrassing amount of trouble.

We should make a list of all the bosses and mini-bosses, and everyone put a number of tries on each.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,623
Guys, I know that no one dies for getting dragon rot, but when should I cure them? Is there any guide for "points of no return" to heal NPCs and don't miss any step of the quests?
Heal them if you run into any who won't do something (side quest). Or just do it after any big boss that killed you a lot (and gave you more rot notices), before you hit another, where you might die a lot. That's what I did.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,391
Collected my last ending, only achievement left is to get the last few skills. Decided to try NG+4 charmless for the hell of it.

This is hell. I do not enjoy this.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,712
So, for people having trouble with the last bosses I really recommend investing into attack power over some of the skills, especially if you don't care for the platinum trophy.
I haven't entered NG+ yet. I did my Ashina Outskirt farming run on NG and pumped my attack power up to 16.
Now those red royal guards go down in 3 hits even when they're blocking. Wonder how much difference this would've made on the final boss.

I know that this only prolongs the grind for skills, but you can do late game farming in NG+ for even more XP and more attack power will also speed up the whole run.
 
Oct 30, 2017
212
The game is finally clicking. Stealth, combat, deflecting... I'm getting the hang of everything, finally! Portions with regular enemies are taking 10th of the time they used when I first started playing.

Feels so gooooood.
Where are you? Just to know when people are hooked from this. I am at gyoubu oniwa but the difficulty is setting me off
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,462
So, for people having trouble with the last bosses I really recommend investing into attack power over some of the skills, especially if you don't care for the platinum trophy.
I haven't entered NG+ yet. I did my Ashina Outskirt farming run on NG and pumped my attack power up to 16.
Now those red royal guards go down in 3 hits even when they're blocking. Wonder how much difference this would've made on the final boss.

I know that this only prolongs the grind for skills, but you can do late game farming in NG+ for even more XP and more attack power will also speed up the whole run.
Its really not that much extra exp. The best farming spot I can find in late game ashina outskirts would take me like 3-4 hours of continuous grinding to get all the skills. Its fucking ridiculous. The best way to do it is just speedrun the game to NG+7 and farm then.
 
Oct 28, 2017
786
Thinking about getting this. I generally enjoy fighting through levels to progress through a game more than boss fights, though, so is this the wrong game for me? I never finished Bloodborne because I just sucked at parrying there. I now have a new tv without the dreadful input lag my old one gave me, though, and I quite enjoyed fighting valkyries in GoW4 with a low level Kratos. My first one took 4 hours and I was basically asleep when I started, but I just couldn't stop. So a dose of challenge sounds intriguing, but only if the basic fights are fun, not if all the challenge comes from learning esoteric attack patterns for arbitrary stages in boss fights where you whack them for hours and die in a few hits.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,712
Its really not that much extra exp. The best farming spot I can find in late game ashina outskirts would take me like 3-4 hours of continuous grinding to get all the skills. Its fucking ridiculous. The best way to do it is just speedrun the game to NG+7 and farm then.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Ashira Outskirts gives me 4000XP in less than two minutes on NG. If you want to get the plat you'll have to do 2 playthroughs anyways and you can make that second playthrough substantially easier/faster by farming for attack power first and skills later on.

My math skills are shit, but I assume the XP growth-rate for skill-points is around 5%? On NG+ I assume the XP you get from the same enemies is a little bit higher than that , so it's pretty obvious that this strategy is the way to go.
 

GC-

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,936
Thinking about getting this. I generally enjoy fighting through levels to progress through a game more than boss fights, though, so is this the wrong game for me? I never finished Bloodborne because I just sucked at parrying there. I now have a new tv without the dreadful input lag my old one gave me, though, and I quite enjoyed fighting valkyries in GoW4 with a low level Kratos. My first one took 4 hours and I was basically asleep when I started, but I just couldn't stop. So a dose of challenge sounds intriguing, but only if the basic fights are fun, not if all the challenge comes from learning esoteric attack patterns for arbitrary stages in boss fights where you whack them for hours and die in a few hits.
Yeah you might like it. The boss fights in Sekiro are more like the Valkyries than Bloodborne bosses but you have less tools at your disposal and it’s more focused on parry, that works more like your standard action game parry with a large window than the slow exposed style parry.

There are many enemies that can kill you in one hit but that usually happens if you do the wrong move such as dodge rather than parry or jump.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,188
Finally.... finished. I was going to say this was the first FROM Software game I've platniumed but then I forgot that I totally did Plat Dark Souls 3 back when it released. Great game. Hooopefully there is DLC?
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,266
It really depends on how early you confront her. She’s near impossible if you face her as early as you can.
Yeah, I think this was my problem.
Came back hours later, more exploring, more insight, and beat her.

Game is funny on how you can interpret it's feedback on how you're doing. Like, I beat Gen's
1st, pre-lighting form
on my very first try! ….now I'm stuck on the 2nd part, lol