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wandering

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Thanks for the tips guys.
What helped me a lot was understanding the parry mechanics a little better. For example I can dodge right out of any attack/block but I can't block while I'm dodging or using block to cancel the dodge. Realizing that made me stop trying to dodge first and then try to block if I couldn't dodge far enough. That apparently doesn't work in this game. It seems I sort of have to decide right away to either dodge or to block/deflect.
What also helped was to hold the block button for a slight moment rather than spamming it. This way I'm at least blocking even if my attempt to deflect was off.
Now I wouldn't be surprised at all if the above isn't completely accurate, if that's the case hopefully someone will correct me. :p
Anyway, I got the horse boss down too now. And of course right around the corner is the next one already, the flaming bull. He seems a little easier though.
You’re right actually, and spamming block actually shrinks the deflect window the more you do it.
 

genjiZERO

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I know I'm hella lttp, but I gotta say - I really love this game. I have been waiting patiently for a proper Tenchu sequel for over a decade now, and this game utterly delivers. My only disappintment is that there isn't a bowl of rice for me to throw and distract guards! Well, and there's no mission for me to kill the foreign barbarians (how that ever got beyond the censors is beyond me) lols. I do think it's a little funny though - Acquire's Tenchus were so much better than From's.
 
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janusff

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I know I'm hella lttp, but I gotta say - I really love this game. I have been waiting patiently for a proper Tenchu sequel for over a decade now, and this game utterly delivers. My only disappintment is that there isn't a bowl of rice for me to throw and distract guards! Well, and there's no mission for me to kill the foreign barbarians (how that ever got beyond the censors is beyond me) lols. I do think it's a little funny though - Acquire's Tenchus were so much better than From's.
ha glad you're in enjoying it. There's rice in the game, just not the kind you throw at guards. :p
 

AndrewGPK

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Thanks for the tips guys.
What helped me a lot was understanding the parry mechanics a little better. For example I can dodge right out of any attack/block but I can't block while I'm dodging or using block to cancel the dodge. Realizing that made me stop trying to dodge first and then try to block if I couldn't dodge far enough. That apparently doesn't work in this game. It seems I sort of have to decide right away to either dodge or to block/deflect.
What also helped was to hold the block button for a slight moment rather than spamming it. This way I'm at least blocking even if my attempt to deflect was off.
Now I wouldn't be surprised at all if the above isn't completely accurate, if that's the case hopefully someone will correct me. :p
Anyway, I got the horse boss down too now. And of course right around the corner is the next one already, the flaming bull. He seems a little easier though.

I would just say that parrying is more important than dodge in most (but not all circumstances). Its kinda the opposite of Bloodborne where I'd say Dodge was Option A and Parry was Option B (although for some enemies the order was reversed).

I think learning to parry really is the biggest key to the game, and the Ashina Castle boss is really the gatekeeper to making sure you understand that before you move on. Before him the parrys are more like tap......tap.....tap. With him you realize that parrying may be tap...taptap......tap.....taptaptaptap (and the miniboss before him teaches you quick parrys). Along with parry its also about mastering counters. The red kanji's are basically a rock/paper/scissors game (thrust/swipe/grab). So being able to read which of those 3 is coming becomes key (thrust=mikiri counter; swipe=jump and jump bounce counter; grab=dodge) and then the enemies have variable timing, so mastering the timing of the counters.

You can also look at each boss as different types. There are posture-based, vitality-based, and mixed posture-vitality bosses (along with some puzzle bosses). Posture based is mostly about parrying and countering to build posture damage - you may need to eat away a bit of their health, but the way to beat them is build posture for deathblows (Ashina Castle boss, centipedes are good examples). Vitality based, you need to deal health damage to beat (examples would be Ogre and Bull) - for these dodging and parrying is usually more about defending yourself and you are looking for ways to get their health down - they may have posture broken, but only at very low health. Mixed is kinda something in between (horse boss you played and hirata estate boss are good examples) - often you can build up posture, but only after you've taken a good chunk, like half of health.

Your over-reliance on dodge may be because they throw the Ogre at you early on and there are some other bosses like that, but really bosses where you have to do a ton of dodging and fighting like in bloodborne are more atypical. In fact many enemies you will probably think can't be parried, can be. The ogre was pretty unique because he was almost all about grab attacks, which really can only be dodged.
 

Solus

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Hey thanks for the reply. Yeah it seems most of the time you have to immediately decide to either go for the dodge or block/parry. Mostly it seems to be the latter, but definitely can't hesitate or somehow try to do both. Also the bosses are damn relentless in this game. Maybe a little too much. There's so many of them and they're so aggressive, sometimes you need a breather.
Anyway, I made quite a bit of progress since my last post, the game opened up a bit after the bull.
So now I have a whole new assortment of tough sobs to pick from. There's the armored knight in Senpou temple, the ninja down the well where the game starts, the spear general nearby, the dude with the claws after the guntower sequence, the shooter at the start of the sequence, the headless swordsman, the glowing ball summoner down the dungeon and lady butterfly. I might've forgotten one. Not sure who to focus on first. I'd like to go for the easier ones first haha. I only need one more prayer bead to complete another set.

edit: I got the armored knight, almost got lady butterfly down too. Not sure how to handle the rest yet haha, but at least I got another set of beads.
 
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AndrewGPK

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Hey thanks for the reply. Yeah it seems most of the time you have to immediately decide to either go for the dodge or block/parry. Mostly it seems to be the latter, but definitely can't hesitate or somehow try to do both. Also the bosses are damn relentless in this game. Maybe a little too much. There's so many of them and they're so aggressive, sometimes you need a breather.
Anyway, I made quite a bit of progress since my last post, the game opened up a bit after the bull.
So now I have a whole new assortment of tough sobs to pick from. There's the armored knight in Senpou temple, the ninja down the well where the game starts, the spear general nearby, the dude with the claws after the guntower sequence, the shooter at the start of the sequence, the headless swordsman, the glowing ball summoner down the dungeon and lady butterfly. I might've forgotten one. Not sure who to focus on first. I'd like to go for the easier ones first haha. I only need one more prayer bead to complete another set.

Now might be a good time to work on Lady Buttefly - maybe get one of those minibosses first if you would like to upgrade your health and posture. You may also want to upgrade some skills - the ones related to posture will be useful, as are healing effects, and in terms of combat arts go down the ichimoji path to work towards getting the double ichimoji.

After beating Lady Butterfly I would probably concentrate on working towards the Ashina Castle boss. This is pretty much the gatekeeper boss in the game, and the one that really teaches you how to parry well. Its a bit of a roadblock, but you'll feel more confident about your skills afterwards. Beating Lady B would upgrade your attack power, and upgrading the posture skills I mentioned would also help with this boss.

BTW, that Ninja in the well can be hit with an initial deathblow if you jump in the well over him, but the jump is kinda tricky.
 

o k

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I think I’m on the final fight
genichiro 2/sword saint

seems very difficult. took me 2 hours and 90 mins respectively to do
owl father in hirata and demon of hatred

kind of ready for it to be over at this point tbh
 

AndrewGPK

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I think I’m on the final fight
genichiro 2/sword saint

seems very difficult. took me 2 hours and 90 mins respectively to do
owl father in hirata and demon of hatred

kind of ready for it to be over at this point tbh

Yes you are on the final fight. Its an epic battle, but if you took out those other 2 you can do it. Genichiro is relatively easy, the challenge is getting past him without using up healing items - I considered it a loss if I had to heal on him more than once or at all. ISS's 2nd phase is the key, once you can reasonably parry all the stuff he throws at you and learn the attack opportunities its just a matter of time.
 
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I was gonna quit the game for good when I couldn't get past Owl. Then I did, quicker than with G-Man (thought about quitting the game then too). Ran into Corrupted Monk, messed around a bit then best her as well. Fucking FROM you are amazing.
 

o k

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Yes you are on the final fight. Its an epic battle, but if you took out those other 2 you can do it. Genichiro is relatively easy, the challenge is getting past him without using up healing items - I considered it a loss if I had to heal on him more than once or at all. ISS's 2nd phase is the key, once you can reasonably parry all the stuff he throws at you and learn the attack opportunities its just a matter of time.
I got him down to the last phase but every time I jumped it seemed like I would land and get shocked before I could respond. 😓
 

AndrewGPK

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I got him down to the last phase but every time I jumped it seemed like I would land and get shocked before I could respond. 😓

There is a bit of a delay in the jump, but usually that seemed to time with my own recognition that he was doing lightening, so it pretty much matched when I jumped. This isn't a counter you have to pull off a lot during the game. Some people say jump and just start spamming r1 (that way you will either dodge or better get hit and reverse it). I think I did the spamming the first time I beat him, but in NG+ I had the rhythm down and would watch myself get hit in the air and hit r1 before landing. As long as you hit it before landing you'll be fine.

(If you are already at this point you are going to beat him really soon if you have not already.)
 

o k

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There is a bit of a delay in the jump, but usually that seemed to time with my own recognition that he was doing lightening, so it pretty much matched when I jumped. This isn't a counter you have to pull off a lot during the game. Some people say jump and just start spamming r1 (that way you will either dodge or better get hit and reverse it). I think I did the spamming the first time I beat him, but in NG+ I had the rhythm down and would watch myself get hit in the air and hit r1 before landing. As long as you hit it before landing you'll be fine.

(If you are already at this point you are going to beat him really soon if you have not already.)
I did it.

Thank you so much for your help and encouragement! ☺ You being positive about it really motivated me to keep trying.
 

ItIsOkBro

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is this headless ape optional or what. im trying to get the the hidden forest but the damn dirty ape keeps aggroing.
 

sora bora

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As between the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, any considerations to take into account, technical or otherwise?

Thinking of finally jumping in on this. I reviewed DF's articles, of course. But they were largely indifferent. Thought it wouldn't hurt to ask here for opinions.

Thanks!
 

AndrewGPK

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Well, you've already beaten in once so you can do it again.

You can kill the brown ape very quickly with Oil +flame vent.

Confetti and firecrackers destroy that brown ape too. Headless ape should be relatively easy by now. If its time consuming try using the umbrella on his AOE terror attack - you don't even have to run away.
 

AndrewGPK

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I did it.

Thank you so much for your help and encouragement! ☺ You being positive about it really motivated me to keep trying.

Awesome! His second phase is really the toughest to master - I actually think the lightening makes him easier in that last phase. So I knew once you had already made it to his final phase it was just about having a successful run, you had already figured out how to do it.
 

wandering

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Shura ending Isshin and Emma are kicking my ass. I can’t seem to make it to the final phase without using up most of my healing and resurrects, then I keep on getting caught by the fire attacks. The timing is just really difficult for me. Emma is a pain, because I know what I should do, but one slip and it becomes hell. I can’t ever get a breather. First phase of Isshin is similar enough to Sword Saint for me to mostly get it down, but I keep on forgetting about that sneaky dodge he does.
 

catashtrophe

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Right ive done everything apart from get all the skills in order to get the plat.

I've got half of the temple arts to get then last 3 mushin arts. I've done the shuru ending so where's the best place to farm or is it best to just start NG++
 

Tamath

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Right ive done everything apart from get all the skills in order to get the plat.

I've got half of the temple arts to get then last 3 mushin arts. I've done the shuru ending so where's the best place to farm or is it best to just start NG++
I think the best XP farming post is Outskirts Wall - Stairway during the endgame invasion of Ashina (kill guy on tower -> kill guy beneath tower -> kill guy through the gate -> kill the 2-man patrol on the stairs -> idol), but it's a pretty boring grind to get all the points (which I did on NG+ because I never was all that great at this game and didn't think I'd be able to clear NG++ at all, even if it would have been the more entertaining way of getting XP). If you trust your skills and/or powers of perseverance you can just repeatedly run through the game to get XP.
 

catashtrophe

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I think the best XP farming post is Outskirts Wall - Stairway during the endgame invasion of Ashina (kill guy on tower -> kill guy beneath tower -> kill guy through the gate -> kill the 2-man patrol on the stairs -> idol), but it's a pretty boring grind to get all the points (which I did on NG+ because I never was all that great at this game and didn't think I'd be able to clear NG++ at all, even if it would have been the more entertaining way of getting XP). If you trust your skills and/or powers of perseverance you can just repeatedly run through the game to get XP.
Oh Damn to get to there again i'll have to start and rush through NG++ as once you done the Shuru ending you can get to that point.

:-(
 

Tamath

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Oh Damn to get to there again i'll have to start and rush through NG++ as once you done the Shuru ending you can get to that point.

:-(
Well you might have had a pre-Owl decision save backed up. :p

Look at it this way - enjoy your NG++ and if by the endgame you still don't have all the skills and your nerves are too shot to face NG+++ you can farm that spot to round you out.
 

catashtrophe

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Well you might have had a pre-Owl decision save backed up. :p

Look at it this way - enjoy your NG++ and if by the endgame you still don't have all the skills and your nerves are too shot to face NG+++ you can farm that spot to round you out.
Hmm i do have the pre-owl saved but if i revert back to that can i still get the final trophy without Isshins final technique or would i need to farm then do the Owl sequence and 2 bosses again?
 

Red Liquorice

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To get the final trophy you need all the bosses (from both ending branches) on one save file. So depending on what you did in NG and NG+ you might need to keep the pre-Owl choice save around after farming for all the skills so you can reload to get the Shura ending so you have all the bosses on one save file.
 

catashtrophe

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The Isshin techniques from the shura/sword Saint fights are not required for the all skills trophy (or weren't as I got the platinum, and AFAIK that hasn't changed).
So i'm only missing the 'Height of Technique' trophy so just to clarify I only need to get all the techniques in the skill tree? So if i got every single one (by reverting to an old save) and not the Isshin technique (which is not on the skill tree) then i'm fine?
 

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The Ape gang duo is a shit boss if you don't use prosthetics.... which I didn't.
I thought I was in trouble in that fight until I used Mortal Draw on the other ape. Just started it at a distance and let the ape walk into it.

The range on Mortal Draw makes a lot of sense in that fight.

Agree that the fight is probably a mess if fought without combat arts or tools. Like any fight where you're outnumbered, you usually need to pull out some bullshit to survive.
 

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I thought I was in trouble in that fight until I used Mortal Draw on the other ape. Just started it at a distance and let the ape walk into it.

The range on Mortal Draw makes a lot of sense in that fight.

Agree that the fight is probably a mess if fought without combat arts or tools. Like any fight where you're outnumbered, you usually need to pull out some bullshit to survive.
looks easy enough (ahem not me, I suck)
 

Wazilevskij

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So, I just finished my 4th playthrough and got the last achievements...

I feel empty, I really enjoyed this game. Hopefully It'll get some dlc.
 

Tamath

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So i'm only missing the 'Height of Technique' trophy so just to clarify I only need to get all the techniques in the skill tree? So if i got every single one (by reverting to an old save) and not the Isshin technique (which is not on the skill tree) then i'm fine?
I got Height of Technique on NG+. I finished NG and savescummed the three endings, then entered NG+, got the Shura ending (and the all bosses trophy) and reloaded to before the owl decision, then grinded all techniques at the spot I mentioned. Got Height of Technique although my save didn't have the Shura Isshin technique - so as far as I can tell, you only need the ones from the skill trees (maybe the scroll ones too like the one you can buy from the Pot Noble at Hirata Estate).
 
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SUBZERO-08

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Any tips for beating the spear guy guarding the tower once you return to the tower you find the kid at the start of the game (I think he's named Yamauchi)?

I've been trying to beat him for a while but not having much luck. I sneak up on him and get the first critical hit but even then I typically die before I can get him whittled down.
 

hanmik

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Any tips for beating the spear guy guarding the tower once you return to the tower you find the kid at the start of the game (I think he's named Yamauchi)?

I've been trying to beat him for a while but not having much luck. I sneak up on him and get the first critical hit but even then I typically die before I can get him whittled down.
He is easy.. just get the skill where you can attack in the air. And then jump and hit him..you van get him in a stun lock that way. He won't be able to hit you.

Here is a video

 

SUBZERO-08

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He is easy.. just get the skill where you can attack in the air. And then jump and hit him..you van get him in a stun lock that way. He won't be able to hit you.

Here is a video

Interesting, thanks! I'll give that a shot.
 

AndrewGPK

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Shura ending Isshin and Emma are kicking my ass. I can’t seem to make it to the final phase without using up most of my healing and resurrects, then I keep on getting caught by the fire attacks. The timing is just really difficult for me. Emma is a pain, because I know what I should do, but one slip and it becomes hell. I can’t ever get a breather. First phase of Isshin is similar enough to Sword Saint for me to mostly get it down, but I keep on forgetting about that sneaky dodge he does.

Not sure what advice I can give on Emma except for just paying attention and practicing timing. You don't want to use a lot of healing items on her (and you have to get far away to heal), but I will say here tells are pretty clear if you are watching. Key is avoiding her grabs. Mikiris and and parrying that 4 hit combo are key for building posture. Try to dodge around her Ashina Cross and hit her with a Double Ichi. In fact its important to stay in the middle or bring the fight to the middle when you can for both Emma and Isshin because they are vulnerable to attacks from behind.

The rhythm of Isshin's first phase is similar to Emma. Key here is patience and stay in the middle. You are looking to bait his overhead attack and you want to jog - not dodge - around his right side (your left) and punish him from behind with the Double Ichi when he raises his sword over his head. Last phase the key is the lotus umbrella and double ichi. When he starts growling, find a spot on the ground that doesn't have fire and shelter under the umbrella - remember you can move around while sheltered, so if you find yourself on fire simply walk to a spot without it - you have to hold shelter through that attacks and his follow ups and then counter with the umbrella. On his other fire attacks you want to dodge around his left side (your right) and hit him with double ichi from behind.

Here was my run:

 

Jotakori

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Oooooh my god, I got this game earlier this week and have been chipping my way through it. It's brutally unforgiving and I have come to learn my reflexes and timing are absolute fucking crap lol.
AKA Genichiro can go suck a god damn duck. I've probably faced him 30+ times already and have only seen his lightning form once. 😂 😰
I can tell I'm ever so slowly getting better at reading his moves and timing mikiri counters, but oh my god is it an uphill battle for me. This bastard might wind up replacing KH2's data battle Xigbar as my Most Frustrating Fight Ever.
I don't know what it is about this battle system, but I am really having a hard time achieving that "click"ing moment with it. Sure is a good thing I'm stubborn as fuck and refuse to give up lol.
 

Red Liquorice

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If you're having a hard time with that boss, when you get to the castle (after the Bull) is when the game really opens up. So you can always go off and explore the various paths and come back when you have more attack power and prayer beads. There's quite a lot you can do before the game bottlenecks you into facing him to progress the story.
 

AndrewGPK

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Oooooh my god, I got this game earlier this week and have been chipping my way through it. It's brutally unforgiving and I have come to learn my reflexes and timing are absolute fucking crap lol.
AKA Genichiro can go suck a god damn duck. I've probably faced him 30+ times already and have only seen his lightning form once. 😂 😰
I can tell I'm ever so slowly getting better at reading his moves and timing mikiri counters, but oh my god is it an uphill battle for me. This bastard might wind up replacing KH2's data battle Xigbar as my Most Frustrating Fight Ever.
I don't know what it is about this battle system, but I am really having a hard time achieving that "click"ing moment with it. Sure is a good thing I'm stubborn as fuck and refuse to give up lol.

He's definitely the gatekeeper boss in the game, and may have been my biggest roadblock. Felt like it opened up after him. You attitude is great though, you have to be stubborn on these bosses. As the last poster said, you can explore and try to pick up some prayer beads and upgrade skills (particularly the posture ones are important for him), and also I would make sure you finish Hirata Estate first and be upgraded a couple times on attack power.

A few tips on beating the boss if you want them:

First 2 phases are all about building posture, get hits in where you can, but mainly just so he doesn't regenerate posture. There are 2 key attacks that build posture fast. The first is his overhead jumping slice. The temptation is to dodge but you should only do that if your own posture is about to be broken. Hang in there and parry it and he'll follow with a red kanji attack - in the first phase this a thrust so mikiri counter (in fact you can spam it if you haven't mastered that skill yet) and then get in a hit. In the second phase the red kanji is a swipe so jump and jump bounce and then get in a hit. The second is his flurry attack, you want to trigger this and hang in there and rapidly parry everything.

Otherwise you just have to learn to block/parry all his other attacks, which you are probably getting good at. I can give you more tips later if you would like but this should get you to the third phase more consistently.