Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!

deepFlaw

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I will agree with the above from AndrewGPK. Specifically, I believe that suddenly nailing most of the mikiri counters on my winning run after messing them up a lot is what changed me from doing badly to using very few gourds.

Then the final phase is really just keeping up that momentum and not getting stalled while he has a full bar, I feel. I actually got to that phase only a few times because when I finally got back to it on that run, I didn’t hesitate and managed to keep things going even if I had to use up a lot of my remaining heals. Just be sure to remember that hint from the dojo, because you want to get that right.
 

deepFlaw

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It's become increasingly unlikely that'll well get DLC for this. 😔

Breaks my heart.
Is that the case?

This is the first one of these games I’ve actively played (I tried a few hours of Dark Souls years ago but it was far after release as it was on PC, will play my Switch copy eventually) so possibly I’m just unsure of how this has gone in the past, but is it really so unlikely already?

It’s hard to find exactly when things were announced, but it looks like only Dark Souls 2 had DLC announced before this point (in June) with a similar original release date. Seems like Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 had their DLC announced in late August and September. And 1’s DLC announcement was maybe even further (October release to May?), but of course it’d be a little hard to compare against something from 8 years ago.

Of course, I’m lacking context- maybe there were lots of interviews saying “we'll have DLC” for those, rumors, etc. But from time passed alone, I’m not sure if it’s unlikely. I’m trying not to expect anything, but it would determine how I handle NG+ and skill farming for the Plat, so I’m not sure what to do just yet, hah.

EDIT: whoops, sorry for double posting

EDIT2: Ah, I see, some insider stuff in the past couple weeks and art book coming out. That’s unfortunate. Hopefully Elden Ring is something I enjoy; new Armored Core will probably be my type of thing as well if that happens. Just don’t think I’m going to enjoy traditional Souls style as much since the movement/combat flow is a big part of the draw here, so I don’t know if I’ll be dipping back except for that copy of 1 I already have.
 
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Noema

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Most of the discussion is buried over in the Elden Ring thread but the Artbook for Sekiro has been announced for release soon, and they always release the Artbook after the DLC, since the book includes art for the DLC as well.

And also, in that thread, a person with inside information stated that no work on Sekiro DLC is taking place at From.

This doesn't completely rule out the possibility of a DLC, but it does make it less likely. I really truly hope I'm wrong.
 

AndrewGPK

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It's become increasingly unlikely that'll well get DLC for this. 😔

Breaks my heart.

I hope that's not the case. DLC for this would be my most anticipated title for the rest of the year, lol.

I think it has sold pretty well, so don't see a reason for them to abandon this line - and the ending(s) really set the stage for DLC or a sequel.
 

AndrewGPK

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I will agree with the above from AndrewGPK. Specifically, I believe that suddenly nailing most of the mikiri counters on my winning run after messing them up a lot is what changed me from doing badly to using very few gourds.

Then the final phase is really just keeping up that momentum and not getting stalled while he has a full bar, I feel. I actually got to that phase only a few times because when I finally got back to it on that run, I didn’t hesitate and managed to keep things going even if I had to use up a lot of my remaining heals. Just be sure to remember that hint from the dojo, because you want to get that right.

The hard part of that final phase is that it takes a while to get there so you have limited chances to practice it and the lightening reversal. On the final phase you should be more aggressive because he's open to more vitality damage. Understand that healing will lead to his leaping thrust, so either Mikiri or dodge out and counter. And when he jumps to do lightening you jump and if you get hit, hit r1 right away before landing to counter it. Its pretty hard as I said to really practice this at this point, so just jumping and spamming r1 may be the best tactic - you'll either dodge the lightening or better yet counter it.
 

Noema

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I hope that's not the case. DLC for this would be my most anticipated title for the rest of the year, lol.

I think it has sold pretty well, so don't see a reason for them to abandon this line - and the ending(s) really set the stage for DLC or a sequel.
I truly hope it's not the case as well. Sekiro's only flaw in my eyes is that it's thin content wise. Only one optional area, too many areas are reused, too many boss arenas are reused, too many bosses are reused, and the game's short. The spectacular gameplay deserves more content to be applied to and an Old Hunters Length DLC would be awesome.

Not having DLC would be borderline tragic. And the tone for many in the ER thread is, well Sekiro is alright but if this means more developers working on ER, then I don't care.

And I simply can't share that attitude since my hype for ER is basically nil. Mostly because we haven't even seen it! Of course my hype will grow as soon as they show gameplay, and I'll most likely play the shit out of it, but for the time being, I'm envisioning DS3 with a SoTC open hubworld connecting areas and that's much less appealing to my brain right now than Sekiro DLC.
 
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man

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Started NG+ without Kuro's charm and it's almost a pain. With only 30-45 mins/day at most to play I think I'm about to throw in the towel and get the charm back. I don't have time getting continually one-shot by the drunkard in Hirata Estate.
 

Jotakori

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Red Liquorice , AndrewGPK , deepFlaw - thanks you all!

I've done some other exploring! I've cleared out Hirata Estate, the Reservoir, found the Sunken Valley (tried a few times on that boss with no luck but read all the enemies clear out to make it a bit easier later so decided to hold off there), came across one of the Headless but I don't have anything for terror atm and farming isn't very fun so I need to hit a higher frustration threshold before I resort to that one. I know there's some temple or something somewhere, but I haven't yet come across that. I have three prayer necklaces and six gourd uses atm so I feel like I should be in a really good spot to face this guy.... and like I know what I need to do for each of his moves, it's just my reaction time doesn't seem to be fast enough. For example, I'll know I'll need to deflect at a certain moment, but half the time my fingers will still move too slow. Or I'll mistime the deflect on his jump and so ruin my mikiri follow up opportunity. And when I do manage to get to his second phase, he switches it up by doing either a sweep or a lunge attack after his jumps! By the time I realize which he's doing it's too late to react and he wrecks me LOL.

So fighting him feels a lot like I just need to learn his patterns and then go to make my retaliation move before he even does his or I won't make the responses in time. It's very frustrating! I'm definitely getting better at it, but good lord. But I am determined!! I will beat this asshole eventually, damn it!
Although I may give in and take a break soon to try and grind some new skills; I know there are a few I could get that increase posture damage that might help.
 

AndrewGPK

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Red Liquorice , AndrewGPK , deepFlaw - thanks you all!

I've done some other exploring! I've cleared out Hirata Estate, the Reservoir, found the Sunken Valley (tried a few times on that boss with no luck but read all the enemies clear out to make it a bit easier later so decided to hold off there), came across one of the Headless but I don't have anything for terror atm and farming isn't very fun so I need to hit a higher frustration threshold before I resort to that one. I know there's some temple or something somewhere, but I haven't yet come across that. I have three prayer necklaces and six gourd uses atm so I feel like I should be in a really good spot to face this guy.... and like I know what I need to do for each of his moves, it's just my reaction time doesn't seem to be fast enough. For example, I'll know I'll need to deflect at a certain moment, but half the time my fingers will still move too slow. Or I'll mistime the deflect on his jump and so ruin my mikiri follow up opportunity. And when I do manage to get to his second phase, he switches it up by doing either a sweep or a lunge attack after his jumps! By the time I realize which he's doing it's too late to react and he wrecks me LOL.

So fighting him feels a lot like I just need to learn his patterns and then go to make my retaliation move before he even does his or I won't make the responses in time. It's very frustrating! I'm definitely getting better at it, but good lord. But I am determined!! I will beat this asshole eventually, damn it!
Although I may give in and take a break soon to try and grind some new skills; I know there are a few I could get that increase posture damage that might help.
Spamming parry can be effective, so at this stage don't over emphasize trying to perfectly parry everything - sure it builds posture damage better, but missing a perfect one is basically a block. As I said before, with his jumping overhead attack in Phase 1 its always a mikiri and spamming the counter works here. In Phase 2 its always followed with a swipe so jump bounce combo and hit him back.

I have a video of me taking him on in NG+ - you'll know its NG+ because I recorded the cut scenes (rather than skip like you have to do because of so many attempts the first time through), because the second playthrough he's actually pretty easy. You can see some of the strategies I mentioned. For me, getting descent at most Mikiri counters took most of the game to really learn - and even then its still not perfect because different enemies have variable thrust speeds. So my Mikiris here are probably way better than I was able to pull off first time through.

 

Jotakori

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Spamming parry can be effective, so at this stage don't over emphasize trying to perfectly parry everything - sure it builds posture damage better, but missing a perfect one is basically a block. As I said before, with his jumping overhead attack in Phase 1 its always a mikiri and spamming the counter works here. In Phase 2 its always followed with a swipe so jump bounce combo and hit him back.

I have a video of me taking him on in NG+ - you'll know its NG+ because I recorded the cut scenes (rather than skip like you have to do because of so many attempts the first time through), because the second playthrough he's actually pretty easy. You can see some of the strategies I mentioned. For me, getting descent at most Mikiri counters took most of the game to really learn - and even then its still not perfect because different enemies have variable thrust speeds. So my Mikiris here are probably way better than I was able to pull off first time through.

Well I have to make sure I get some attacks in, too, right? It's the switching from attacking to deflecting that my reflex time is awful, although I'm working at it and it's getting a bit better. Also he definitely uses both the swipe and the thrust in his phase 2, not just the swipe. I would know, cuz I've tripped up on them probably a dozen times already lol. Trying to program myself to distinguish between his crouch and spin for the swipe and pull back for the thrust but it's slow going.

And thanks for sharing the video! Although right now I'm still trying to figure it out without giving in to watch how others doing it, but I appreciate it a lot! 💪

I went and got some of the Carp latent skills and it's made a marked improvement. I managed to reach the lightning phase again and i'm more consistently getting to his phase 2 so I think I'm getting there!
 

AndrewGPK

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Yeah, the posture skills help a lot. First time I fought him I gave up after a while. Went and upgraded prayer beads on a few minibosses (not easy), and upgraded the 2 posture-based skills and when I returned it felt like a big difference. On Phase 2, its usually a swipe if it follows the overhead attack. You may be better off assuming that rather than trying to read at this point. (probability > your reaction time at this point)

Take single swipes to keep him engaged and sometimes get damage in, but I wouldn't recommend be overly aggressive. You can get swipes in with successful counters and sometimes you'll just figure a way to get them in. He likes to circle you sometimes before doing that big flurry attack and he's open to attack there as well.


Anyway, he's meant to teach you the game mechanics and how to really play it, so think of the struggle as a good investment that will make the rest of the game easier.
 

Jotakori

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Yaaaaaaasssss!!!! I beat him, finally! Take that buttmunch! Now on to the next area and boss that'll wreck my ass! 😂
 

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I have recently started the game and I'm enjoying it a lot.
The snake managed to get me once, though I was actually going the right way after stabbing it in the eye.
 

Solus

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Geez whats the deal with the Corrupted Monk? Really not a fun fight if I'm being honest. I got him down a few times to about 1/3 of his health but at that point I've usually run out of flasks (have 7). He's kind of killing my motivation to push on at this point. I suppose I could try the Guardian Ape again, but he seemed even harder haha. I've done pretty much everything else up to this point I think, there's a 2nd Headless nearby, but I've skipped him for now. I used most of my confetti on the first Headless. I've also killed O'Ren which already took quite a few tries. I'm loving this game in general but the difficulty on these bosses is a little too much I think. Not sure what to do about this Corrupted Monk other that just sticking with it and hoping that after so many tries I'll have it down, but like I said, my motivation is starting to dwindle at this point.
 

Noema

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Firecrackers are very effective against the Corrupted Monk. Use them to create an opening and land a couple of hits in. Snap seeds also work. Sugar will help you deal even more vitality damage.

You need to bring her Vitality to about 50% before you can deal some real posture damage that sticks. After you reach that threshold, deflecting her attacks and countering her perilous attacks will be your best bet. It's not hard once you get her patterns down. I actually consider that fight the most fun in the game.
 

Red Liquorice

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Guardian Ape and Corrupted Monk are two of my favourite bosses. Corrupted Monk is especially Soulsy to me in that it has a nice slower back and forth pace to it than some other bosses that are more in your face. She has a lot of attacks and I think it's just about learning them and getting used to the different follow-ups. There's a lot of opportunities for damage because of that Soulsy ebb and flow.

Agree with Noema about getting her HP down before going for the posture bar. I just avoid the 5 hit spin attack completely until I'm ready to fill up the posture bar. Right at the start of the fight you can get a few hits in, so I usually use buffs at the start and get damage in up front. I wouldn't waste confetti, sugars or snap seeds until you're confident with the fight, and then use them to just speed up the fight. Ash and firecrackers can be abused to cheese the fight - that's not fun though, is it?! :)

Guardian Ape usually ends with me draining HP completely rather than going for posture. Just find when to get damage in.
In the second phase after the big sword slam is where you can get damage in because of how long it takes for it to recover. You can use the spear to damage the centipede in the neck too during this time
 

Solus

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Hey thanks for the tips. Alright I'm gonna give it another go. I've been mainly focusing on getting its health down that I forgot to switch to getting its posture up at some point. I'll have to remember to do that around 50%. Admittedly I was already using the firecracker. :(
 

AndrewGPK

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I fought Corrupted Monk after the monkeys and after Guardian Ape (and one other boss battle), so for me she was pretty easy because my attack power was really high and I just used some sugar and confetti with firecrackers and it went really quick.

I don't want to give much away about the Guardian Ape, but its one of my favorite bosses and if you get stuck there are a lot of helpful hints that make that fight not too bad, so feel free to ask for help. I don't want to spoil the fight though.
 

Oghuz

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On my fourth playtrough and I can confirm that the blazing bull is by far the most annoying mandatory boss fight in the game. God I hate this pos.
 

AndrewGPK

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I've only done 2 playthroughs, but I've never had much trouble with the bull. I think he gave me trouble until I realized he could be parried and how effective just block was at minimizing damage.
 

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Not sure what advice I can give on Emma except for just paying attention and practicing timing. You don't want to use a lot of healing items on her (and you have to get far away to heal), but I will say here tells are pretty clear if you are watching. Key is avoiding her grabs. Mikiris and and parrying that 4 hit combo are key for building posture. Try to dodge around her Ashina Cross and hit her with a Double Ichi. In fact its important to stay in the middle or bring the fight to the middle when you can for both Emma and Isshin because they are vulnerable to attacks from behind.

The rhythm of Isshin's first phase is similar to Emma. Key here is patience and stay in the middle. You are looking to bait his overhead attack and you want to jog - not dodge - around his right side (your left) and punish him from behind with the Double Ichi when he raises his sword over his head. Last phase the key is the lotus umbrella and double ichi. When he starts growling, find a spot on the ground that doesn't have fire and shelter under the umbrella - remember you can move around while sheltered, so if you find yourself on fire simply walk to a spot without it - you have to hold shelter through that attacks and his follow ups and then counter with the umbrella. On his other fire attacks you want to dodge around his left side (your right) and hit him with double ichi from behind.

Here was my run:

Finally managed to do it, thanks for the tips! Like with ISS, I stepped away for a few days and then came back to find the fight much more manageable.
 

Oghuz

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I've only done 2 playthroughs, but I've never had much trouble with the bull. I think he gave me trouble until I realized he could be parried and how effective just block was at minimizing damage.

Yeah, he isn't difficult per se. But it is just so not fun fighting against him. I'm just constantly running after him trying to get in some hits. Parrying is too unreliable because of the camera.
 

Red Liquorice

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I never parry the bull. My method is just to get in to a rhythm of running with him so I can get a few hits in as he turns to charge back the other way. Firecrackers every now and again for a few more hits.
 

n.thou

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How is it possible i've made it through the entire game, beaten owl father twice and yet i cannot for the life of me get past phase 2 of isshin sword saint (assuming Genchiro is phase1)?
This game is honestly so confusing with its difficulty spikes its almost going overboard and ruining other game experiences for me!

Sure i'll beat him at some point and i really wanted to get the plat for Sekiro but at the rate i'm going i dont think i'll bother.

Agree with what other folks have said above - its not that its a hard fight per say; its easy to bait - just VERY unforgiving once you get hit once its almost teasing you to go no-hit the entire fight...also takes too long to get to the subsequent phases to practice and learn the moves.
 
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How is it possible i've made it through the entire game, beaten owl father twice and yet i cannot for the life of me get past phase 2 of isshin sword saint (assuming Genchiro is phase1)?
This game is honestly so confusing with its difficulty spikes its almost going overboard and ruining other game experiences for me!

Sure i'll beat him at some point and i really wanted to get the plat for Sekiro but at the rate i'm going i dont think i'll bother.

Agree with what other folks have said above - its not that its a hard fight per say; its easy to bait - just VERY unforgiving once you get hit once its almost teasing you to go no-hit the entire fight...also takes too long to get to the subsequent phases to practice and learn the moves.
I think everyone hits this wall.

Trust me, you're gonna stomp him in a week's time tops.
 

deepFlaw

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I beat the final boss, after spending some time on it the past two nights. Watching the endings now, restoring my save for them, etc.

...honestly, I do not think it was that bad? Spent maybe 1.5 hours each the past two nights and about the same now, so let’s say <5 hours total. Not sure I spent that much on any other boss, mind, but it didn’t feel like distinctly bad. Especially as I wasn’t exactly in top form the past 2 sessions (it was past midnight and I was bleary eyed, then it was earlier but not that much earlier and I had a headache forming).

Like... I don’t think I’m some pro at the game or anything to be clear. Not even fucking close! And maybe it’s just that I had all the necklaces + memories. But could people elaborate on what they had so much trouble with? I wanna know how lucky I got, haha.

I fairly quickly got to the point where I could deal down Gen and/or first bar without taking much damage. But that wasn’t constant.

By the end I’d say Gen was weirdly way worse than the first bar. A lot of my time fighting the boss was wasted on false starts with Gen, where I’d just casually deflect really well and then run right into a thrust I meant to Mikiri, and it would fuck me over. Sometimes I’d recover but sometimes it would doom it already. So I would just accept death, etc.

First phase’s attacks took a bit to learn but it was easy enough patterns. Compared to most other bosses, it was easier for me to see what attacks he did together, considering there were usually only a few hits? Get knocked back, Mikiri (and when this messed up I’d at least weirdly dodge into him, vs Gen’s landing); he charges and goes forward, jump and punish the sweep. I’d attack till he deflected, I’d deflect his 3 hits. Etc. Of course, having said all that, in reviewing the video I saved, I guess I blocked out that he totally killed me early in the the first bar on the winning run, lmao.

Would confetti + ako at start of bar 2. This was definitely the worst of it for me. I could deflect most ok but there was a lot of hits I’d just eat. The worst was the thrust- I’d fucking constantly think it was a sweep for some reason, and jump right into it. Even the last time, I’d been countering it well but had some bad luck - accidentally went into Ichimonji Double, which broke him but I couldn’t follow it up because he hit me back right as it happened, so I had to keep fighting - and then he used it and I foolishly ate it one last time before I got the blow.

Then bar 3 was... not worse? Certainly the lightning could be bad, but turning it against him helped. Just had to hold on enough to finish things; I only ever got here a few times, and often was completely out of healing. The time I got closest before the win, I had bad luck... used a jizo (for the first time?) only to immediately die, then did well enough until I took a bad hit and went flying over the edge. It was... frustrating. But the last time, it really did not feel that bad. Appropriately it reminds me of that extra Gen phase, where I also did not get to it much and just had to power through when I finally came into it with healing left.

In the end, I had 1/10 gourd left and I think 2 pellets even. Think I used confetti at start of bar 2 as usual and then twice more during 3, due to lightning wiping it. Had resurrected twice since he killed me again in the last bar. Used 17/18 emblems, mostly on Mist Raven just to give myself space after being hurt but some on Purple Flame Spark later on; I feel like I never got a good feel for what tools would serve me best. Snow, divine grass, jizo, bite down, etc. were unused this last time, which surprised me. Was expecting I’d have to use snow at least.

Overall... I certainly had trouble, but it was not a boss that dwelled in Camera Hell, and even bar 2 which I never fully learned did not feel ridiculous like some bosses could feel. The attacks generally were things I could read and respond to; more than most fights I felt like it was genuinely my fault for failing. So... I’m glad it ended on a fight that felt fair! I was just surprised since people made it seem way way more imposing, hmm.
 
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Relatively speaking, Genichiro and Owl were harder for me than the last boss. These two made me want to quit the game.

The hardest boss award for me goes to Demon of Hatred. I
 

Solus

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Got the Corrupted Monk down. Doing the Guardian Ape first definitely helped. I was kind of hoping to unlock a new area but I guess it's back to Ashina Castle. The place is riddled now with super tough Ninja's but considering I already knew the way I could just sprint past them to unlock the idols. Which felt a bit silly but whatever. I also ended up cheesing the Ogre after I realized he couldn't fit through the door after he threw me through it. I just couldn't resist.

I'm at Owl now, but I haven't really tried him yet. There's also 2 black ninja's and about 3 fucking headless left. I also need only one more prayer bead to complete another set.
Took me a few hours to get past the previous set of bosses only to open up about 20-30 mins of gameplay to find the next set of frustrating bosses. Pacing is off and the game is starting to test my patience.

Anyway am I at the endgame now? I accidentally read something if I had obeyed Owl the game would've already ended. I wonder if that would've pissed me off or if I'm just ready to end it now. I picked the other option though.
 

Jotakori

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I think I've found my least favorite boss fight in the game.

I've made it to the Guardian Ape and I really do not like this dude. I haven't beaten it yet, but I know everything I need to do so it's just a matter of perfecting my timing and responses at this point. But idk there is something about this fight that's really unpleasant.... I think it's the combination of feeling really frantic, but mostly just being a block or run waiting game? Like having to just sit there holding block and waiting out rampages for only a couple swipes in between for the first stage, then constantly having to run away and wait for certain attack openings in the second... (and god forbid you accidentally back yourself up into something and insta-die from terror, grrrr!) It makes each attempt feel like such a drawn out chore. Genichiro was an asshole and much, much harder but at least every round was exciting and felt like we were going toe-to-toe. Can't wait until I'm past this one. 😩

I do think the concept for this enemy is fantastic, though! I like that you use the sword stuck in its neck to slice its head off in the end; it's so shockingly and unapologetically brutal... like wow, they really went there. Then they take it a step further with the whole parasitic, puppeteering centipede thing inside it, with the way the body moves about like something is literally wearing its skin (shudders).... and then having it lift its own damn decapitated head back to its neck to use like an instrument to scream through! Like god damn! I love how that's a terror inducing attack cuz it honestly is hella creepy as fuck. This boss is really friggin' eerie to think about, and I enjoy that sort of creeping horror it creates when you realize what's actually happening. The Senpou Temple gave me the same heebie jeebies with all those dead bodies just carelessly piled up in out of the way corners around the place. I like that the game is slowly descending into unsettling wtfery.

But yeah, anyways! Really cool boss idea! Just... pain in the gd ass to deal with fighting lol. And I'm officially over it for tonight, hopefully I'll have better luck tomorrow.
 

Red Liquorice

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Anyway am I at the endgame now? I accidentally read something if I had obeyed Owl the game would've already ended. I wonder if that would've pissed me off or if I'm just ready to end it now. I picked the other option though.
Siding with Owl here gives you a unique ending and boss(es) fight, but also misses out on a whole new area, a revisit to a previous area and quite a few unique bosses, so you made the right choice. You're probably 75-80% through the game at fighting Owl in Ashina Castle.
 

Solus

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Ah I see, that's good to know, thanks.
So I just gave Owl a try and oh boy, I can already tell he's going to take me quite a while. He even has an anti-heal move, as if his normal attacks weren't already punishing enough. At least I got the black ninja before him down rather quickly, not sure how I pulled that off haha, but at least I have a 7th set of beads for Owl now.
 

sackboy97

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After about 5 hours of playing, I got to (and beat) the first real boss (Gyoubu). I'm definitely taking my time. I'll probably go back to the "memory" for a bit now that I have some new skills.
 

deepFlaw

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I have just beat the Drunkard; I have two divine confetti, should I try the Headless? Or should I come back to him later?
Have you done anything past the Headless?

I didn’t fight the Headless till much much much later, and that was probably more later than it had to be, but I don’t think you could reasonably do it now. You’re probably going to want more confetti than that to start, but I doubt your attack is high enough even with the confetti currently.

But, well, you can always go for it! Wasting the confetti isn’t worth worrying about at all long term, so there’s nothing wrong with trying it if you want to.
 

Red Liquorice

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I would give Headless a miss until you find a farmable or buyable source of Divine Confetti or the reusable item Purple Gourd you can buy that helps reduce terror. By that point in the game you're also doing more damage. Headless aren't boss/mini-bosses you get a memory or prayer bead from (the reward is worth it, but can wait).
 

sackboy97

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Have you done anything past the Headless?

I didn’t fight the Headless till much much much later, and that was probably more later than it had to be, but I don’t think you could reasonably do it now. You’re probably going to want more confetti than that to start, but I doubt your attack is high enough even with the confetti currently.

But, well, you can always go for it! Wasting the confetti isn’t worth worrying about at all long term, so there’s nothing wrong with trying it if you want to.
I got to Gyoubu and the rats just after that. Then I decided to go back to the memory.

Guess I'll wait a bit longer then. Thanks for the advice!
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seconding what Red Liquoricr said specifically. You want easy Confetti access and possibly that item as well. Rather, you’ll most likely have the latter before the former.

...don’t expect to fight it soon, basically, haha.
 

n.thou

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Mar 22, 2019
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Update: made it to final phase of Isshin Sword Saint with 1 gourd left. Got him whittled down to 1/3 health but got overconfident and hands started to shake as this is the furthest I've gotten.

Made a silly mistake trying to play it safe and lost my final gourd. So I used a Jizu statue to get back a res...ok...then got hit by lightening which caused me to use my new resurrection.

Yep immediately blasted by another lightning that left a shred of health...so used my final Jizu statue....aaaaand walked right into one of his whirlwind shockwaves....resurrected right into another bolt of lightening. how is this a fair fight?? I feel like I've got the timings down. Obviously more practice but now I'm out of Jizu statue safety net.

I really don't need this stress in my life!
 

Red Liquorice

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Oct 27, 2017
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At least now you know you can get to the final phase :) Now it's just a case of good play, good RNG and it's yours.

I think the first time I got to his final phase I was the same with nervous energy, blasting through fine snow and divine grass because of silly mistakes!
 

n.thou

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Mar 22, 2019
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At least now you know you can get to the final phase :) Now it's just a case of good play, good RNG and it's yours.

I think the first time I got to his final phase I was the same with nervous energy, blasting through fine snow and divine grass because of silly mistakes!
Yep - back to it tomorrow night! No more divine grass of sweet rice balls anymore...it really is get gud time.
Still; confident but man its frustrating!
 

AndrewGPK

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think I've found my least favorite boss fight in the game.

I've made it to the Guardian Ape and I really do not like this dude. I haven't beaten it yet, but I know everything I need to do so it's just a matter of perfecting my timing and responses at this point. But idk there is something about this fight that's really unpleasant.... I think it's the combination of feeling really frantic, but mostly just being a block or run waiting game? Like having to just sit there holding block and waiting out rampages for only a couple swipes in between for the first stage, then constantly having to run away and wait for certain attack openings in the second... (and god forbid you accidentally back yourself up into something and insta-die from terror, grrrr!) It makes each attempt feel like such a drawn out chore. Genichiro was an asshole and much, much harder but at least every round was exciting and felt like we were going toe-to-toe. Can't wait until I'm past this one. 😩

I do think the concept for this enemy is fantastic, though! I like that you use the sword stuck in its neck to slice its head off in the end; it's so shockingly and unapologetically brutal... like wow, they really went there. Then they take it a step further with the whole parasitic, puppeteering centipede thing inside it, with the way the body moves about like something is literally wearing its skin (shudders).... and then having it lift its own damn decapitated head back to its neck to use like an instrument to scream through! Like god damn! I love how that's a terror inducing attack cuz it honestly is hella creepy as fuck. This boss is really friggin' eerie to think about, and I enjoy that sort of creeping horror it creates when you realize what's actually happening. The Senpou Temple gave me the same heebie jeebies with all those dead bodies just carelessly piled up in out of the way corners around the place. I like that the game is slowly descending into unsettling wtfery.

But yeah, anyways! Really cool boss idea! Just... pain in the gd ass to deal with fighting lol. And I'm officially over it for tonight, hopefully I'll have better luck tomorrow.


You can straight up just use a parry strategy in the first phase. Like when he does his tantrum on the ground each of those arm swings can be individually parried. As can any of his other swipe (non-grab) attacks. If you do it that way you really can be aggressive dealing damage. On the second phase I used the purple umbrella for cover (not sure if any umbrella works) on the AOE terror attack. That makes that phase go a lot quicker as well as you don't have to keep running away.
 

wandering

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Oct 25, 2017
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100+ hours later, got my first platinum ever. Still finding it hard to put it down, though; the combat is just intoxicating.

Anyone have recommendations on other games to get that fix? Besides the obvious answer of other FromSoft games
 

n.thou

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Mar 22, 2019
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I beat him! FINALLY! Isshin, Sword Saint is down! I am the greatest Sekiro player in the history of the world!! ...is what it feels like right now :)

Honestly in the end i didnt cheese it - actually took my time and learnt his moves, parried like a god - likely better than at any other fight in the game...truly 'git gud' at the very end.

I ended up whittling his health down to around half and then just parried, mirik'd literally any opportunity i got. Ended up doing the entire fight from Genchiro all the way through to the end with just 3 gourds of health.

Thank you to everyone who said to persevere - it truly is the best advice and now i feel like i can take on any boss!

Going for the platinum next; i've done the save-file because hell no am i playing through that fight again...got most but not all the skills so i expect to go into NG and aim for the Shura ending. Still need +3 Lapis Lazuli for the upgrades but not sure if that requires going into NG+?

Anyway, pretty chuffed - what a rush!
 

Red Liquorice

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Great stuff, well done n.thou :)

You do need to go in to NG+ for the LL. The way I did it was to save at the Owl choice in NG+ - at that point you can do the Shura Ending, reload and then carry on with the other choice and get the LL (or vice versa).