Why is this a problem? If you can dodge him fine you should have no issue. Dodge, hit a couple times, wait for next attack to dodge/deflect, repeat.
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Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice |OT2| Domo Arigato, Mr. ROBERTOOOOO!!!
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Why is this a problem? If you can dodge him fine you should have no issue. Dodge, hit a couple times, wait for next attack to dodge/deflect, repeat.
You have certain things that can make it a bit easier like the Ako sugar or going to another area to get a "Memory" to increase your attack. I will say that path is way harder than just taking out the ogre though. You need to focus on getting his vitality to roughly half and then deflecting to get his posture damage up. I would save some emblems to use fire on both health bars. You could also use a Gaachin's sugar to run along the right side of the stairs up to where he's tied up and get in a stealth blow if you do it just right.
It's fascinating to me how varied the results are for people's difficulty with bosses in this game. I never got the impression that it was so different in the Souls games. It always seemed like there were consensus picks for which ones were hardest.
For example, Well Guy took me 2 tries. Seven Spears took me at least 30. He was the hardest stopping point in the game, for me, harder than any boss. And not just 30 straight tries. I gave up doing it on my own and consulted YouTube, but couldn't pull off the fight with recommended strategies (fireworks, jumping on his head), either. I gave up on that, and consulted "how to cheese" videos, and couldn't replicate those, either. Eventually, I found my own cheese method (same thing, really, just a different spot). I was happy to run into him again late in the game, thinking I'd thrash him after all that experience, and he still gave me an embarrassing amount of trouble.
We should make a list of all the bosses and mini-bosses, and everyone put a number of tries on each.
Heal them if you run into any who won't do something (side quest). Or just do it after any big boss that killed you a lot (and gave you more rot notices), before you hit another, where you might die a lot. That's what I did.
So, for people having trouble with the last bosses I really recommend investing into attack power over some of the skills, especially if you don't care for the platinum trophy.
I haven't entered NG+ yet. I did my Ashina Outskirt farming run on NG and pumped my attack power up to 16.
Now those red royal guards go down in 3 hits even when they're blocking. Wonder how much difference this would've made on the final boss.
I know that this only prolongs the grind for skills, but you can do late game farming in NG+ for even more XP and more attack power will also speed up the whole run.
I haven't entered NG+ yet. I did my Ashina Outskirt farming run on NG and pumped my attack power up to 16.
Now those red royal guards go down in 3 hits even when they're blocking. Wonder how much difference this would've made on the final boss.
I know that this only prolongs the grind for skills, but you can do late game farming in NG+ for even more XP and more attack power will also speed up the whole run.
Where are you? Just to know when people are hooked from this. I am at gyoubu oniwa but the difficulty is setting me off
Its really not that much extra exp. The best farming spot I can find in late game ashina outskirts would take me like 3-4 hours of continuous grinding to get all the skills. Its fucking ridiculous. The best way to do it is just speedrun the game to NG+7 and farm then.
Thinking about getting this. I generally enjoy fighting through levels to progress through a game more than boss fights, though, so is this the wrong game for me? I never finished Bloodborne because I just sucked at parrying there. I now have a new tv without the dreadful input lag my old one gave me, though, and I quite enjoyed fighting valkyries in GoW4 with a low level Kratos. My first one took 4 hours and I was basically asleep when I started, but I just couldn't stop. So a dose of challenge sounds intriguing, but only if the basic fights are fun, not if all the challenge comes from learning esoteric attack patterns for arbitrary stages in boss fights where you whack them for hours and die in a few hits.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Ashira Outskirts gives me 4000XP in less than two minutes on NG. If you want to get the plat you'll have to do 2 playthroughs anyways and you can make that second playthrough substantially easier/faster by farming for attack power first and skills later on.
My math skills are shit, but I assume the XP growth-rate for skill-points is around 5%? On NG+ I assume the XP you get from the same enemies is a little bit higher than that , so it's pretty obvious that this strategy is the way to go.
Yeah you might like it. The boss fights in Sekiro are more like the Valkyries than Bloodborne bosses but you have less tools at your disposal and it's more focused on parry, that works more like your standard action game parry with a large window than the slow exposed style parry.
There are many enemies that can kill you in one hit but that usually happens if you do the wrong move such as dodge rather than parry or jump.
Yeah, I think this was my problem.
Came back hours later, more exploring, more insight, and beat her.
Game is funny on how you can interpret it's feedback on how you're doing. Like, I beat Gen's
1st, pre-lighting form
Congrats! I don't have the patience for that but I did get the best ending imo.
I beat Lady Butterfly on my first attempt. I kind of wonder if i just somehow fluked it the way everyone else talks about her. The guy on the horse gave me a harder time.
Cheers. It wasn't particularly fun grinding out the xp for all the skills but as it was the only trophy I needed and I never got a platinum before I thought fuck it. I'll go for it.
How much someone explores beforehand affects it a lot. If you go straight through Hirana Estate soon as you unlock it and nothing else it's going to be significantly harder.
I played her pretty early on. After beating the guy on the horse I went and finished hirata.
I had to laugh when I came across the FOURTH fight with drunk mini-boss, absolutely shameless recycling in this game!
He absolutely trashed me several times and I only scraped by using all 10 estus, 3 pellets and a divine grass. How the F. am I getting worse at this game?! lol I killed #2 and 3 first try, I'm literally getting worse!
He absolutely trashed me several times and I only scraped by using all 10 estus, 3 pellets and a divine grass. How the F. am I getting worse at this game?! lol I killed #2 and 3 first try, I'm literally getting worse!
You guys really having problems getting enough XP ? I had nearly enough by the end of NG+4 (You need to do the game 4 times anyway for all endings if going for the plat, unless your save scumming :P), and at that point some of the enemies around Ashina gave huge amounts of XP, I really didn't have to farm for it at all.
Also whats this about -
Also whats this about -
Owl putting Genishiro's head next to Ashina? Watched the Shura ending again and yeah, he puts something next to him, but cant see shit? The game seemingly does not want to show a beheaded head at all (Like I thought the final blow on SS would have done).
He has
an armor the 4th time around, using spear to rip off his armor
After spending some more time with the game and reading this thread, I think my time with the game is nearing its end. I had already accepted based on pre-release chatter that I wouldn't be beating the final boss, and the multitude of people in here saying they've spent days on him just affirms that decision. The more I look at what's left ahead of me though... the less I want to play. I've been having a pretty good time with Sekiro, but I don't really want my experience with the game to end in a rage quit.
DoH, H-less, and Shichimen3 all just sound like the biggest drag ever. I'm probably going to clean up all of the rest of the mini-bosses, then go back to Hirata for my own personal finale.
DoH, H-less, and Shichimen3 all just sound like the biggest drag ever. I'm probably going to clean up all of the rest of the mini-bosses, then go back to Hirata for my own personal finale.
part of the fun of the game is realizing that there's a "recommended" order but the game allows you to overcome it anyway
for example, i fought the chained ogre without fire, cause i hadn't gone to hirata yet. i didn't realize you were supposed to use the fire on him, but he wasn't hard for me anyway.
i accessed senpou temple, abandoned dungeon, depths, etc all before fighting genichiro on top of the castle too.
i also fought gyoubu without firecracker cause even though there's that horse mourner guy i had no idea how to get it.
for example, i fought the chained ogre without fire, cause i hadn't gone to hirata yet. i didn't realize you were supposed to use the fire on him, but he wasn't hard for me anyway.
i accessed senpou temple, abandoned dungeon, depths, etc all before fighting genichiro on top of the castle too.
i also fought gyoubu without firecracker cause even though there's that horse mourner guy i had no idea how to get it.
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Just looked the same as the other 3 to me, it was so long ago I fought them, no way I was going to deduce that!
I just have a supreme disdain for Terror-based enemies. The feeling of having a good run wiped in a matter of seconds by an insta-death status effect is the most demoralizing part of this game. I'll give one of them a shot based on your response, but I do not look forward to it.
They really are, and I've had trouble with pretty much every boss in the game! Even easy without the mid-air kills. I've seen people use the purple umbrella to lock them down also. They seem way scarier than they because of terror, but it's a non-issue when you learn any of the multiple ways to deal with them.
The worst thing are large orbs, but they never get a chance to use them if you stay on them. Without mid-air kills I attack until they disappear, don't run to where they will be but get halfway, deflect the beam, run in attack until they disappear, rinse and repeat. If they happen to jump, all the better - free kill.
Don't. That is one of the few I'd advise not to cheese. It's gonna help a lot to be able to see spear patterns when you get later into the game.
Headless and Shichimen aren't too bad at end game. Have the
purple gourd, lilac umbrella, and easy to purchase divine confetti.
Worse case scenario, you can cheese DoH and the final boss. It's not satisfying, but at least you can shelve the game and say you finished it.
Oh yeah it's hard to detect. I was just used to seeing him shirtless, so I tried the spear :)
after playing 18 or so hours, i think the difficulty is exaggerated. i don't think anything is really cheap except for maybe when the camera acts up (like lone shadow longswordsman's tiny room)
the game gives plenty of tools so that you don't have to be a parry god to beat encounters. your prosthetic tools and other consumables are there to help you if you don't want to fight enemies using only your sword...
a gigantic DANGER symbol appears whenever an enemy is about to perform an attack you can't easily block, animations for attacks have readily noticeable telegraphs. every enemy is right-handed so there's not too much to adjust to on that front.
you have candies to boost your stats, you can stealth deathblow most minibosses so you only have to truly earn one deathblow, thrust counter is extremely generous on timing, you can revive yourself in the middle of battle. you are also never too far from an idol.
the game gives plenty of tools so that you don't have to be a parry god to beat encounters. your prosthetic tools and other consumables are there to help you if you don't want to fight enemies using only your sword...
a gigantic DANGER symbol appears whenever an enemy is about to perform an attack you can't easily block, animations for attacks have readily noticeable telegraphs. every enemy is right-handed so there's not too much to adjust to on that front.
you have candies to boost your stats, you can stealth deathblow most minibosses so you only have to truly earn one deathblow, thrust counter is extremely generous on timing, you can revive yourself in the middle of battle. you are also never too far from an idol.
I've fought the final boss about ten times now and I'm pretty sure I can do him. I almost killed him a couple of times but some of his unblockable attacks are a little hard to see. Probably the toughest thing about the fight in general is its length.
Did a few more hours, I'm at 8 left. Think it's still quicker than starting another + since you need to be a ways in before there's a good farming spot. Almost there now.
That's the Living Weapon skill. Honestly it's nice in places but really doesn't make much of a difference in the fight posted; it would have probably only lasted 15 or 20 seconds longer without it.
It really helps to get the purple gourd from the merchant outside Mibu Village for them.
Ashina outskirts, before the castle. Easy stealth kills and a bunch of red soldiers. Forget the idol name but it's near a lookout tower, where your first kill of the run is too
These guys are cakewalk. GA's terror was much more dangerous.
Got the platinum trophy!
Greatly looking forward to Formsoftware's next title, best studio in the business for the past 10 years!
Greatly looking forward to Formsoftware's next title, best studio in the business for the past 10 years!
I left shichimen warriors for late game and absolutely fucking steam rolled them in a super sloppy "who gives a shit" fight. The purple umbrella basically makes everything they do entirely worthless and the mid-air deathblow (which I honestly didn't know was a thing until I did it) makes them even less of a threat. Don't fear them.