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SemiAcccurate gets some Playstation 5/Next details ($1000 Subscription to read / Summary in OP)
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Just read that PDF. Looks like someone just decided to make a powerpoint of their wet dreams for PS5. Based on the content of the slides, who are we supposed to believe this designed for?
1 TB is small and believable when we're talking about regular drives. 1 TB SSD's are still pretty damn expensive. Most of it is markup, but laptop manufacturers still charge premiums of $100-$300 for the jump between a 256Gb SSD to a 512Gb one. No way in heck that Sony eats the cost and avoids market pricing for that kind of storage.
1 TB is small and believable when we're talking about regular drives. 1 TB SSD's are still pretty damn expensive. Most of it is markup, but laptop manufacturers still charge premiums of $100-$300 for the jump between a 256Gb SSD to a 512Gb one. No way in heck that Sony eats the cost and avoids market pricing for that kind of storage.
So does project Neo. They will soon run out of Matrix characters. Will PS5 pro be Project Smith?
The doc is fake, me and ASleepingMonkey notice the mistake before the doc was in the public and told him. All of sudden these mistake are now fixed in the new doc lol.
Oracle?
That's not what's being discussed at the moment. Newer project Epsilon slides.
They were a poor fake. The rubbish about frame rate stood out the most to me.
wait did it somehow manage to circle back here in the same thread? lmao
Me, Schreier, AAMARMO, DigitalFoundry, and even the writer of the Semi-Accurate piece once I reached out to him to see if any of the info in it had any legitimacy can all verify that the document is F A K E.
This is why I didn't post any screenshots of the document, was worried it would start circulating. Sure enough it has now that someone dropped them.
That made me laugh. We all know consoles will Stably rotating games at 30 frames per second anyway.
Andrew House expects that PS4 gen will be long
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/11/17225834/playstation-5-next-generation-andrew-house
https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/11/17225834/playstation-5-next-generation-andrew-house
And it will, the PS3 has been in production for 13 years and 5 years after the PS4 was released. The PS3 is being discontinued in Japan this May.
The PS4 will continue to me made and sold long after PS5 is released.
I keep hearing about these mysteries all the time, but I never can get it.
I mean it's been explain hundreds of times by devs and publishers and other forum members and people on twitter ad infinitum.
Like, you seem to think that game development is this chunk process where everyone works on their chunk at once and then boom game. That's not how it works.
Yup, are they going to be called PS5 or PS4 something something. Semiaccurate doesn't know either. Semiaccurate: " So now it is time for the Playstation 5/Next or whatever Sony ends up calling it." PS4 compatibility confirmed, IF at 7nm possibly 40%+ more powerful at the same TDP of the Pro = 8TF+ probably close to 10TF
Fudzilla is reporting that AMD's Navi is not a high-end GPU, but rather, a 7nm replacement for Polaris.
https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/46038-amd-navi-is-not-a-high-end-card
AMD is also pulling some of their Zen architecture team into the Radeon Technologies Group to help out with future GPUs.
https://pcgamesn.com/amd-zen-next-gen-radeon-graphics
Navi GPU = Polaris successor
Next Gen GPU = Vega successor and GCN successor
I think PS5 and next Xbox will use many of the elements going into the new GPU design, even if the the new console GPUs are somewhere between Navi and Next Gen -
Neither Sony nor Microsoft will want to miss out on that tech.
Note: I wouldn't worry about the exact release dates of Navi and Next Gen GPU on this roadmap, it's more than 1 year old, at least.
Also remember PS4 Pro came out in Fall 2016 with a GPU mainly based on Polaris, which launched for PCs earlier that year, and PS4 Pro GPU had a couple features only found in Vega so far, which launched Autumn of last year, and even Xbox One X GPU didn't have these things, like double rate fp16.
Bottom line, if PS5 and Xbox Next launch in the Fall of 2020, they will likely have elements of the next GPU architecture, and also possibly having the extra power/performance that 7nm+ will have in late 2020, over first-gen 7nm in 2019/early 2020.
https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/46038-amd-navi-is-not-a-high-end-card
AMD is also pulling some of their Zen architecture team into the Radeon Technologies Group to help out with future GPUs.
https://pcgamesn.com/amd-zen-next-gen-radeon-graphics
Navi GPU = Polaris successor
Next Gen GPU = Vega successor and GCN successor
I think PS5 and next Xbox will use many of the elements going into the new GPU design, even if the the new console GPUs are somewhere between Navi and Next Gen -
Neither Sony nor Microsoft will want to miss out on that tech.
Note: I wouldn't worry about the exact release dates of Navi and Next Gen GPU on this roadmap, it's more than 1 year old, at least.
Also remember PS4 Pro came out in Fall 2016 with a GPU mainly based on Polaris, which launched for PCs earlier that year, and PS4 Pro GPU had a couple features only found in Vega so far, which launched Autumn of last year, and even Xbox One X GPU didn't have these things, like double rate fp16.
Bottom line, if PS5 and Xbox Next launch in the Fall of 2020, they will likely have elements of the next GPU architecture, and also possibly having the extra power/performance that 7nm+ will have in late 2020, over first-gen 7nm in 2019/early 2020.
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Considering Navi design was reported finalized some time ago, Plummer and her team are probably contributing to the Next Gen arch - and it makes sense, because that's when they're going to do some major restructuring to their silicon.
I wonder if 2020 is even a realistic date with how manufacturing processes can come up messed up so easily, especially with the change of pattern etching tech for "7nm".
Intel's 10nm is comparable to everyone else's 7nm btw.
Intel's 10nm is comparable to everyone else's 7nm btw.
It's nobody to you because you aren't involved in the semiconductor world.
They always say that because current gen with still exist alongside new hardware for a couple years. They target a 10 yr life cycle and they have been pretty good at that.
Agree with that but Andrew House was mis-quoted by Polygon I believe. He said he was bullish about further life cycles, not longer cycles. Then gave three reasons why.
But usually the last few years run alongside the first 3 or 4 years of the new generation.
Yeah, that is basically what I said in the first sentence you quoted.
Yeah my bad. Just got out of bed!
On another note is your name relating to pickups and guitars or something else.
I for myself don't think that the PS5 will exceed 12TF around 2020. Storage will most likely be SSHD. SSD is still way too expensive for anything above 500gb.
Well,considering that PS Now is a flop... :)
Flop,comparing to PS+,for sure!
Is there anything out there that actually states its a flop?
Only going by my personal group of friends but I know more people who subscribe to now than I do +.
It would definitely be interesting to see the official numbers.
I asked Zhuge about this few days ago in the other thread,he doesn't know PS Now numbers either.He said that PS+ went from less then 5 million at the end of PS3 gen. to 34.2 million now!That is almost 2 billion revenue with big profit margin for Sony annually
They never realised Now numbers,they must be very low.I have + for years but i can not imagine subscribing for Now,i don't know anybody else who has it.