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Senate votes down Trump’s National Emergency for border wall
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I... laughed at this.
Has anyone made a John Oliver "He got us" gif yet?
So for 2020, that's Gardner, Tillis, McSally, Cornyn, Perdue, Daines, and Ernst backing up Trump. Collins is the only even remotely vulnerable GOP Senator for 2020 to side against Trump. It probably helps Daines and Ernst in MT and IA to be ultra pro-wall, but it's probably serious ammo for whatever Dems end up running in CO/AZ/TX/NC/GA. Dems need to slam them all hard on this.
So he has a Veto proof number in House and Senate correct? Assuming override votes went same way of course.
Any more than the other 30 or so active national emergencies that I hardly know what emergency they really address?
Trump has been undermining norms and breaking precedent in general for 2 years and the party has stood by without saying boo. Republicans couldn't care less about preserving the fundamental constitutionality of our democracy, so I don't get the sudden "show" over this.
Sure there's always that angle, but why now? Why so many willing to play like they have spine now rather than at any other time when they still would have had the cover of a veto or the majority voting in favor of Trump anyway?
They do, and they enjoy it. Trump isn't a President to them. He's a molotov cocktail
Sir/Ma`am/ don't look to traitors for taking some noble stand. If anything, its for selfish non USA related reasons. This isn't a dramatic show, if they wanted it to be Veto proof, you'd have a point. Nothing has changed, so there is no reason to think of it that way.
Gun violence is a national emergency.
A lack of affordable healthcare is a national emergency.
I guess the GOP play here is that there will never be a democratic president again?
A lack of affordable healthcare is a national emergency.
I guess the GOP play here is that there will never be a democratic president again?
Who's he?
And no, the override did not get enough votes to survive a veto assuming votes don't change.
For emphasis. It's a messaging tactic, just looks at the words he capitalizes - it's not random.
The declaration itself did this already. The veto just affirms it.
The question facing Mitch and gang is whether or not to override the veto. If they don't, they tacitly approve another president doing the same in the future. As hard on as Era's hate-boner for them, they do know this and this isn't something that they like, but they're probably still going to come down as party-first. Why stop Trump now lol
Checked Rand Paul's FB page to see if he commented on his voting decision (I used to be a Paul guy before I learned more about how policy he supports isn't as rosy as he makes it sound), and between this and his determination to end US involvement in Afghanistan his base is not happy with him right now lmao
This is such a pathetic, childish tweet. I mean, MOST are, but this is just glaringly immature.
In this case: Because it allows you to posture yourself as moderate in some sense because you voted against that evil Trump who everyone hates, while still not actually hindering him or your party in any way, since you know he can just veto.
Also in this case: Because a couple Republicans might realize that unless Trump manages to permanently seize power for Republicans, a future Democratic President could use this same power if they're willing to abuse it for good.
In general: Theoretically a Senate with a conscience or a brain could override an insane President, but obviously that doesn't apply in this case since they don't have enough votes to override the veto.
Why does 1 guy get to decide what the senate gets to vote on?
Obviously his her Germanic heritage showing through (sorry people who speak German).
His base doesn't like him he's a president with an (r) next to his name
trust me they would much prefer someone who was even remotely effective at governance
It might not even come to that. Technically, it's possible the veto override can get more votes than the actual resolution, because voting to defending the Senate's role in legislating the country is more defensible a position than just saying "nope, I disapprove of Trump".
Of course, I'm of mind to let it happen Trump's way, so that a Democratic POTUS can just do the same thing and sweep everything Trump ever did away.
It's not just one guy. Republicans could get rid of him at any time if they didn't like the way he was doing things. They're all complicit with McConnell.
Will he actually veto though? I'll believe Mr. Non-Confrontation when I see it.
They're cowards. This is what happens when theyre pressed into a corner where there are no good answers for them.
Big money, the desire for rightwing activist judges, and McConnell being the kind of guy to burn everything down to pull it off.
They're cowards. This is what happens when theyre pressed into a corner where there are no good answers for them.
Big money, the desire for rightwing activist judges, and McConnell being the kind of guy to burn everything down to pull it off.
Yes -- more than those other emergencies, because those emergencies were never used to override Congress's power of the purse. That's what this is about. The issue is that Trump asked for the money, congress used their check on the executive branch and said no, and Trump now is attempting to use national emergency powers to override that check that congress is guaranteed by the constitution. They know the left has multiple causes they could easily use a national emergency on and with much more substantial factual backing, so it's a bad call for them to support it.
Oh man, imagine being one of the delusional idiots who voted for this man baby.
I'd die from the shame tbh.
Actually... he probably didn't know, and had to be told this later.
Our nation's best hope: "Maybe Trump will get distracted and go golfing / not realize that VETO on Twitter isn't an actual veto."
I disagree. Most of the Republicans I know who want an effective Conservative President despise him, and have left the party, or at the very least, are NOT a part of his base and don't approve of him and would desperately take another Republican in his stead.
The ones I know that are his "base" like him because he's a monster. They prefer him to anyone else.
We germans are used to receive a lot of blame but please don't blame us for THAT
That's not how it works, he has to sign anything passed by congress into law unless they veto-proof the bill. You'd have to trick him like they did in 90's sitcoms by making him think he was signing something else.
Considering Trump's level of reading comprehension this is probably actually feasible.
It's already at the courts, he's not going to sign this bill, so they'll continue doing the work they were already doing.
From a philosophical (not a legal) standpoint it's weird to be able to veto a rebuke against oneself. "We disagree with what you have done"--"No. Officially you do not."
Come on. You know shame left that party a long time ago. You had a guy on TV literally saying "womp, womp" to kids being put in cages last year.
