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Senran Kagura producer: Next game may take some more time due to regulations
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Ew I've seen where this defense goes...
Or ideally ditch the creepy molestation minigame instead.
It depends on what you value from these games: gameplay or cartoonish sexual objectification of young teenage girls
Is it?
Lol that's not how making money works.
PS4 is the market leader.
These games aren't art, they're the lowest not-porn "erotic" trash games. They sell to a very small market but that market is dedicated. I have no doubt that the people who enjoy these games find tgis a hill worth dyibg on since they're just spoutibg empty words on the internet, but this is not worth it to fight at all for the developers and publishers.
And by the way, I'm not against nudity and eroticism in games. It's all about context and, more importantly, messaging. Senran Kagura is just gross.
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It's completely fine for a platform holder to do whatever they feel is necessary to keep the market healthy. If they feel these games threaten the credibility of their platform, they're free to block them in whatever manner they deem fit. Nothing unfair here at all.
Yeah evil Sony for not letting you grope women in a game like a creeper.
Perhaps it has to do with the anime characters being children in japanese games, most of the time. Perhaps a lot of people aren't fine with pedo content.
Perhaps it has to do with the nonconsentual nature of these things, too. After all, many of these minigames outright promote sexual harassment.
I know, for dudes, sexual harassment is often not a big deal and is also funny and sexy and all, but that's not neccessarily the case for everyone else ;)
Oh, there's plenty of us in Europe or Japan thinking that molestation games (especially, but not limited to) of minors are a bad thing. Very little is connected to the US there. You're seeing *more* of a push against this kind of thing in Europe than the US, for example, and Japan has a metoo movement as well - called wetoo.
Japan is not exactly a positive example when it comes to harassment, as the culture of victim blaming is far worse there than even in the US.
Thinking that a pushback against that is ~Americacentric~ is naive at best and malicious at worst.
Like I stated before, we are going back to ps2 to ps3 time. Sony gets more defensive whilst other platforms are less so as they make strives to grab every niche they possibly can. My biggest issue is with games like Catherine. If they get censored this creates quite the intrigueping cross roads. Cause then it becomes less an issue of the age of the characters. Does Sony then proced to ban non Japanese games with sexual content in it? Do they not? If they don't censor western games whilst censoring sexual content (of the non pedo variety), then this would come of slightly racist. This is going to be pretty interesting to watch play out.
It is kinda unfair when you spring new content restrictions on devs far into development that would have effected said dev's choice of platform in the first place.
Not anyone. They can move to Steam and Nintendo Switch where there is less relax censorship policies. In fact Valve is now allowing more lewd titles than before in recent times.
I don't even like the grope stuff, I just hate seeing Sony put restrictions on devs. If they don't want smut games then they should outright say it.
Also look at
No groping, and an 18 year old character.
Was still censored. So this is more than groping mini games. This appears to be any adult seeming content.
I haven't played these games before, but I hope they find success in creating a game that satisfies much of the fanbase while considering the stricter regulations. It's something to do with underage depictions, I think?
Not all of them have minigames, as some are just visual novels with the censorship happening in the art. Yes, it is suggestive, but not enough to get it tone down, especially when the characters are of legal age. This is one example of lingerie being too much, and the developer needed to do two separate changes that are different from every other version of the game.
The second time was done, because they felt the god rays were too ugly, and distracting.
So sad you'll have to look at this image for free on the internet instead of in the $40 game.
You know some people actually enjoy visual novels for what they are, otherwise they would indeed just look them up on the internet.
Sorry people like things you don't.
I had no idea what this series was, and yet SOMEHOW just based on the thread title and vague details in OP, I was able to piece together what kind of a game this is. I just googled and...holy smokes.
You don't think it's a bad look to tell the various ratings boards you partner with that their decisions don't matter, force Japanese developers who don't speak English to undergo content inspections in English when their games were already approved for release, and outright cancel multiple games that were already finished and rated by the ESRB? What's the point of having these ratings boards if you're not going to abide by their opinions and guidelines?
I know right, in before thread lock. Devs should stop making PS4 versions. Not worth it for companies who don't deserve it.
I'm fine with their decisions cancelling shit like this:
Zero sympathy for any devs involved in a game like that.
It's all about context and messaging.
How is it presented? How does it shape views?
Also, let's not handwave the ages. In Japan they are explicitly stated to be mostly under 18. I don't care how the localizers alter that, the orginal author's intent is still there.
It is when the developers need to send the paperwork to Sony's California office to get their games rated again. All of it in English. That is so unfair, and cruel for Japanese companies that don't have an english translator.
I'm sure that's outlined in the Terms & Conditions these devs signed when they began working on the platform. And I'm sure these devs also knew that any potential restrictions that could arise in the future would most likely be due to the kinds of games they make.
We have very different ideas of what constitutes cruelty. :P
And what about the part where they suddenly find they need to send the paper work in English? Did they agree to that Terms and Condition?
American values make me laugh.
Now with less panties and sex but more blood and murder for a cleaner and safer America.
God of war, last of us, days gone, whatever comes from quantic dreams and whatever cd projekt make are good though.
Now with less panties and sex but more blood and murder for a cleaner and safer America.
God of war, last of us, days gone, whatever comes from quantic dreams and whatever cd projekt make are good though.
You can still play the game. Or a different visual novel.
Lol
No
It's not about nudity and sex. It's about sex positivity and context and messaging.
Also, are you laughing at the American values of not treating young school girls as sexual dolls?
People keep conflating what is actually problematic about these games. The defenders know they can't argue for the above so they attack "prudish sensibilties."
These are very recent changes and have affected games that had already been rated by CERO for release. It's actually the reason why this has become such a hot topic, because it is unprecedented.
If American values help games get cancelled with erotic situations involving underage girls, then sign me up.
Considering how lenient Nintendo is with 3rd parties with regards to content (provided it's not Adults Only category), I second this notion.
No, I'm saying that game is literally on the prohibited games list found here https://www.resetera.com/threads/general-faq.9777/
And with good reason. Can't believe some in here actually admit to being into this series.
And what if I want to play that visual novel but not censored? Hopefully released on PC because I'd be taking my business elsewhere and Sony can lose a sale to defend some weird Americancentric policy. If they just wanna say "No anime fanservice even for adults in consentual situations" they should outright say so.
I'm not defending Senran Kagura, I'm defending the game where the character was 18 years old and not being groped. Why was that still censored?
The ambiguity is what is so annoying, not to mention the sudden changes that caught devs off guard.
The way T&Cs are written is that they allow for a wide range of changes to be made at the platform-holder or service provider's behest, whenever they deem fit. And yes, all of these companies are aware of this when they sign on.
The CERO has nothing to do with Sony, though. The CERO is a non-profit organization that deems content acceptable to release to the public, regardless of platform. Sony runs their own platform and are free to do what they want with it. Again, if they feel these games threaten the credibility of their platform, they're well within their rights to put the kibosh on them. What the devs do after that is up to the devs.
^^^
Apparently the writer for this series actually penned the Revelation route of Fire Emblem Fates. Which, granted wasn't that great. But it proves that this team has the capacity and the desire to work on real games!
I mean, we can't always get what we want.
Consider this: localization is a ton of work and time and the effort needs to financially pay off. If you're not willing to accept the version they out out then you can always do the work of learning Japanese. Then you'll be exposed to a whole new array of games!
Unless, of course, your real concern is that even Japan will move away from this problematic objectifying stuff (particularly of youbg girls). Most of us would call that progress.
And you don't find that unfair? What if a western Dev was told "No you must submit documentation in Japanese only" all of a sudden?
God Rays are an old and cheap form of censorship in Anime. Sometimes they can look natural, other times it looks like someone took scissors to the animation frames.
Very well then, just know I'd never cheer for someone to lose something they may enjoy just because I don't personally enjoy it.
Again, I'm referring to that visual novel where the character was 18 and in a consensual scene and for whatever reason they forced that comically bad censorship because god forbid we see someone in a bikini.
Except this is affecting games that are also releasing in Japan as well? So learning Japanese does nothing if said Japanese version is censored to meet Sony of America's standard.
It is cruel, and I can't see how it would be fair business to force developers to communicate in a language that they only have rudimentary knowledge of, for a game that would only release in Japan. It would be the same as you needed to translate all your work in Russian before you can turn it in. Is it possible, yes, but you wouldn't be able to convey your thoughts right, unless you hire a translator, and even then that's added costs that weren't needed before.
maybe you should look how much difference in marketing, gameplay and effort put into between SK2 and PSV installments.
(hint: can't really compare)
Takahashi really loves Sony.
That wouldn't happen because Japanese isn't a (mostly) universally spoken language. We aren't taking ifs and buts, we're talking about measures being taken to protect PS4's credibility in the Western market, which largely uses English to conduct business.
I edited that post but not in time. Here's what I added:
Unless, of course, your real concern is that even Japan will move away from this problematic objectifying stuff (particularly of young girls). Most of us would call that progress.
Thats literally what is happening for Japanese Devs right now, but in reverse....
Despite these changes being forced in the Japanese versions as well? How does that protect "Western Markets"?
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