okay but what if i, as a consumer, want to grope children? sony shouldn't be allowed to decide whether i get to grope children or not. this is censorship and american imperialism (??????????????????) at its finest.
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Senran Kagura producer: Next game may take some more time due to regulations
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Honestly speaking, if we are talking about groping minigames I can't really think of any visual novel that has that feature. High amount of fanservice, yes, but groping itself seems like a feature too advance for most Visual novels. Closest thing I can think of is petting in Nekopara.
Okay so I am confused by this whole situation. What exactly is being censored here?
Because at first glance I just thought this was the usual "big anime tiddy" game being taken down a few notches, but some of the posts in here make it sound like its alot more than that?
Because at first glance I just thought this was the usual "big anime tiddy" game being taken down a few notches, but some of the posts in here make it sound like its alot more than that?
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My thoughts exactly. Out of context that's really bad, with context it's still really bad!
i guess it's true what they say about sarcasm on the internet :P
I agree that Sony should be more open, offer clear guidelines, help developers to accomplish them(especially on their language).
But Sony doesn't need to have any regard or thoughts about what developers release on their platforms. The rating board talk doesn't make any sense, they're just guidelines for the consumer, but the platform holder/publisher, etc, still can decide what they want to release on their platforms, it's on their right. The developers are free to stick to their guidelines or just release their product elsewhere, but as long as Sony has a clear guideline for developers, there's nothing wrong in what they do. Developers aren't owed a platform to release whatever they want.
Btw this applies everywhere, not just gaming. Everyone has their own guidelines beside the public rating boards.
A visual novel had a bikini scene censored .
Also Sony is demanding documentation in English from devs, even if the devs have no intention to release the game out of Japan.
Was it just a normal swimsuit scene? Or was it an anime swimsuit scene? Because those are 2 very different things in my experience lol
We don't know really, as Sony doesn't want to reveal their new regulations. I would fully agree with this if this was only about touching minigames that harass the female characters, but we already have weird cases where even 18 years old in swimsuits got censor. Sony has been pushing too far with this, and is only punishing small devs. The worst thing about all this is that devs need to send all their paperwork in English to Sony's California office.
Just because they can doesn't mean they should. And Sony deciding to just suddenly not respect the rating boards the entire industry adheres to is kinda messed up.
The request for English seems like an odd request. Is that a normal thing they do?
Yeah. This is the weirdest part to me. Sony doesn't have enough money for translators in their office?
It is ever since Sony moved its games division to California and has baffled many Japanese devs.
I don't understand what this implies.
No, they need to do this because there is no office in Japan to send the paperwork to. It is the def of unfairness that only wastes time and adds additional costs to small devs.
As for the swimsuit censorship, and reminder that she is 18 years old ingame.
Animation wise don't expect much, if any, in visual novels. It's just a static image.
On the internet, you can never know if someone is really sarcastic. :"")
I don't see how it's a disrespect or messed up. There's no need to be this dramatic. This is just an usual thing that happens with platforms holders with each own having their own guidelines and values, there's nothing messed up in having those. That they should or not is an opinion of each of us not a truth fact.
The only bad stuff here is the language barriers and the seemingly obscure guidelines Sony may be employing. That needs fixing.
When your ratings are so strict that you can't show a nipple of red blood you tend to push on other directions.
Well thats weird. This is the first time I had heard about it. Strange.
Well in some anime beach scenes are either normal (meaning the female character is wearing practical swimwear) or they are glorified fanservice scenes where the female characters wear extremely revealing and impractical swimsuits. I was curious as to whether it was the former or the latter because it would change the way I view the decision.
If its an adult in a consensual scene it really shouldn't matter, unless you're just outright against the idea of any sexuality, which is rather unfair to those who dont mind those things you know.
But see Castile's post, its super tame. Was still censored.
I'm not against it all in general so long as everyone in the scene is of legal age and looks like they are of legal age, but I do understand it being censored or adjusted in video games in the right circumstances.
And yeah if thats all it is then that seems an odd line to draw in the sand considering some of the things I have seen in other games. I mean Dragon Age Inquisition had straight up sex in its game.
We still have sexy characters in games like Tekken, Dmc, Detroit, Uncharted, mass effect and others. I would even say that games became even sexier where characters openly engage to have sex.
The games SIE censored for now are games that engage "creeps". I see some problems but for now it's something needed and sie should be more transparent. It's basically the same discussions the porn industry had in the 60s and 70s.
The games SIE censored for now are games that engage "creeps". I see some problems but for now it's something needed and sie should be more transparent. It's basically the same discussions the porn industry had in the 60s and 70s.
Thats why there's so much frustration. If it was JUST the Senran Kagura groping stuff you'd probably not see as much grumbling about this, outside of the stupid documentation stuff.
The issue is that the new rules are vague and only seem to be going after smaller devs for no reason, and the documentation stuff is just outright baffling.
Okay so I am not sure if you are aware Castile, but I feel the need to warn everyone else in here that the Tweet itself is no big deal, but that Twitter account has some pretty blantat underage hentai on it. I made the mistake of going to the page to see if there was more info about the Senran Kagura stuff and.....yeah.
So I would strongly suggest not going to the Twitter Page itself
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The person who started the petition on change.org just posted an update saying that they'll be having a conversation with Sony UK regarding this.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-towards-sony-their-new-policies/u/23700542
Well, at least something seems to be happening.
https://www.change.org/p/sony-towards-sony-their-new-policies/u/23700542
Well, at least something seems to be happening.
If true, this is an interesting development and I can't wait to see what or what doesn't come from this. Not sure if many petitions have succeeded in the industry and if this indeed got someone to talk about it at the very least, I would say that's actually quite the win.
lol?
Okay, to get this straight, this is a petition to convince Sony that they shouldn't censor content in which underage girls are molested by the player. Okay. Just another sunday,,,
Hope they can talk some sense into Sony to either scrap this policy or atleast create some clear guidelines that make sense.
Also since I guess it adds some context to the petition. The petition was started by someone affiliated with a company that works with Marvelous. Its not a random petition but made by someone in the industry
At least their smart enough to call Sony UK offices and not US. UK support actually listens (sometimes).
I don't know how effective 1 phone call would be though. Maybe if they posted the phone numbers on their update and got the 10K supporters to call it would make more of an impact. Meh
I think the issue here, from the developer's perspecitive, is that Sony is being coy about their new policy despite it being already in effect. If they are not gonna allow depiction of underage sexual innuedo in their platform. that's totally fine. Just be transparent about what's going on. Everyone's waiting for an answer and Sony is strangely reluctant to do anything about it.
As for its aftermath, waifu bait stuff was always niche genre even in Japan, so I don't think Sony will suffer any negative consequence from this.
As for its aftermath, waifu bait stuff was always niche genre even in Japan, so I don't think Sony will suffer any negative consequence from this.
I'm still amazed how angry "adult" dudes get because they can't molest underage anime girls on PS4 anymore. Truly a hill to die on.
there's two implications here
1. companies should care more about money than about, you know, not sexualizing children in their products
2. hilariously, these people think the creep community is large enough to swing a "console race" in favor of sony. how well do anime games with sexualization of children usually sell?
Worst case scenario is mid tier below Japanese games move on from their systems which is either something that'll take a long time or won't happen because they're mid tier and below and need all the sales they can get.
Most likely these devs will just apply wholesale censorship to their content which will affect all platforms which is what I'm guessing is what Sony wants here.
The vita was king of these games and was one of the lowest selling handhelds both in and out of Japan so not much
I wonder why everyone keeps posting things like this, even though people explained in great detail it's not only modes like that that are in danger.
I'm almost hoping Sony of Germany is going to be in charge of USA games localisation.
No it wouldn't. Because there's no "children" in the games. Just because you and a few others insist on seeing the characters a certain way, doesn't mean everyone sees them that way.
Of course there won't be any big financial consequences for this but they also aren't gaining anything from this. All that this has lead to is what feels like bullying niche developers and something that results in playstation users ending up with a censored version of a game. Considering the fact that this policy seems to have just become a thing like 2 months ago and is a complete mess I could see them quietly walking back on this with just a no touching mini game policy remaining maybe
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I would argue quite the opposite, given the censorship and what the games are really about, if we are being honest.
And of course what the people who play them actually play them for.
So this is the slippery slope argument?
What if those political/idealogical things are fascist, populist propaganda? What if it's hate speech? Would you defend that?
Nobody seems to be interested in actually seeing the other things that are being pointlessly censored without any rhyme or reason, or the noticing the stupid documentation changes.
People just wanna get their "Anime is bad." comment in and leave.
Senran Kagura has 15 year olds in it.
If there are other games with legit adults (not 9000 year old dragons) and they're not rape simulators I can entertain a debate Sony are at very least being inconsistent.
Well, the game's own developers see them as children, soooo....
From the Senran Kagura New Wave official visual collection:
Quite a few characters are as young as 15 in that game, most are under 18. The 15-year-old Minori's whole gimmick is that she behaves like a 5-year-old. Tell me that isn't creepy.
Just because the localization opted not to publish their ages doesn't mean that it wasn't what the developers intended.
This has been true since GameCube and PS2.
BMX XXX (shitty game) was censored on PS2 and had nudity on GameCube. Like, the videos of actual strippers were uncensored.
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