No, I said I don't care about it in the least. Your personal opinion of the game is not relevant to the discussion or the validity of the arguments you're making.
No, I said I don't care about it in the least. Your personal opinion of the game is not relevant to the discussion or the validity of the arguments you're making.
Thanks for the info. As far as I know, students at my place still need to do it every year so that the government can monitor the health conditions of children. It is a shame that Japan stopped the practice just to protect children from feeling bad. On the other hand, at least Japan has health and sex education in school. My place completely lacks this thing because of stigma towards sex. Adults here rarely discussed sex topics with children, which is really backward.Yeah, it was retired a few years because of concerns about fat shamming and whatnot. I personally think that the tests should be done and preventative measures should be taken if children weight too little or too much, but I guess feelings have taken priority over health.
Playstation is a private platform that is allowed to make the rules for what's allowed on their platform as they see fit - heck, that's what the definition of a closed platform is. By selling it on their platform, Sony make a cut from that game, they are entitled to then deciding whether they want to be associated with a product.What the forum decides doesn't matter. This forum is a privately owned forum that when you join you have to agree to the TOS and adhere to the rules so they are free to make whatever rules they want. Believing a game is fine as long as it is rated as fine and legal has no relation to what a forum decides. Like I said I've never played these games so It being banned here doesn't matter to me.
Well said and I agree.No, it's never a bad look to drive devs of questionable content away.
Never. We're talking about sexualised children here.
"I can't play games with nude / weirdly sexualized characters, so I hope a certain system fails." Hilarious.I hope next Sony console ends like Betamax did -cause "porn" policy-.
People who are interested in this game -me- not gonna buy censored version. People who wants it censored won't buy censored version.
Move to other platform we will follow you.
Home console market is already dead in Japan.
Maybe they should stop sexualize underage girls in their games
You can both think that games like Senran Kagura and Omega Labyrinth are creepy and that Sony is being stupid. They are not mutually exclusive views.
In my experience, either games are exponentially more mainstream than idols, or people keep their love for idols secret. Come to think of it, I don't have any Japanese friend who is into idols. Games? Absolutely, tons of people play games here (mostly on their phones, granted) and I just saw a Super Smash Bros. commercial on my train home. I would absolutely say being the kind of idol fan who obsesses over a girl's "size" and buys dozens of CDs in order to meet his favorite idol is not seen as normal here.
As far as I know there was only one game with "light rays" but I am not sure what is going on in the story to even comment on it. I heard there was questionable stuff in the game but I am not sure how true that is.about games with objectionable content, or objectionable content towards underage girls??
objectionable content, all games banned from the "light rays meme" VN but objectionable with underage girl, only SK as far as I know (aka I dont know the game canon ages of the girls in the other games)
I see your point. I didn't mean to imply that some regions get off easy. I think they would need to open offices for games in every region because there has been some examples about Japanese developers needing to submit their games in English paperwork and that's something that shouldn't happen, especially in Japan because English isn't really that popular there.I don't think this is a particularly fair statement without knowing the full reasoning. My internalised understanding is that for a game to be released worldwide that needs to be understood across all regions. I don't think any region gets off from this ask.
Yes, that's what I said I will play it on the other system. I enjoy lewd -you call them weird- games and I hope Sony go broke cause changing their policies.Dude, you can play these games on other platforms if you want to. Get a Switch, play the games there and enjoy it.
Yes, that's what I said I will play it on the other system. I enjoy lewd -you call them weird- games and I hope Sony go broke cause changing their policies.
Playstation is a private platform that is allowed to make the rules for what's allowed on their platform as they see fit - heck, that's what the definition of a closed platform is. By selling it on their platform, Sony make a cut from that game, they are entitled to then deciding whether they want to be associated with a product.
That's funny as hell. Like I said, enjoy them. You know where to get them.Yes, that's what I said I will play it on the other system. I enjoy lewd -you call them weird- games and I hope Sony go broke cause changing their policies.
Yep.
You can both think that games like Senran Kagura and Omega Labyrinth are creepy and that Sony is being stupid. They are not mutually exclusive views.
Yes, that's what I said I will play it on the other system. I enjoy lewd -you call them weird- games and I hope Sony go broke cause changing their policies.
Yeah, it was retired a few years because of concerns about fat shamming and whatnot. I personally think that the tests should be done and preventative measures should be taken if children weight too little or too much, but I guess feelings have taken priority over health.
Eh, Japan is okay with it in the sense that as long as no-one gets hurt, it is fine. That said, those people are considered otaku, but so is everyone on this website, as we have invested way too much of our time and money into the hobby of gaming. Gaming is something for children to do, or on the subway commute. Right or wrong, but people who are overly invested in an idol group and people who spend lots of money on video games are on the same level.
I think we're not disagreeing that much. Games are pretty mainstream here - as you say, with Nintendo games and DQ being among the most popular. This is of course not true for niche games like, well, Senran Kagura, but that goes without saying. But I know people who are really into Pokémon Go, Mario Odyssey, one of my co-workers often takes her Switch to work... and well, you have the Japanese prime minister dressing as Mario at the olympics. I'm not saying idols are not popular, but being into idols is absolutely not the norm and it's not a-ok to be one of those guys who obsesses over little girls, buys dozens of CDs (which is how they top sales rankings) in order to attend hand-shake events and the like.Really? Whenever a major idol announces graduation she appears on the news, does the circuits with all the other talent as guest commentary or during primetime variety, they always have cross promotion with major cup noodle brands, convenience stores, for instance, you can collect nogi trading cards with your ochaduke. If you were to ask a grad schooler what their favorite group/musician is, 90% (made up fact) of the time they will name an idol group. Idol groups are constantly at the top of oricon's top sales. I don't talk much with my friends about idols nor games, but when it is games, it is pretty much just major major games like smash or dq, and when it is idols (for me at least) is is pretty much always Seiko. The second you step out of the Nintendo/DQ boundary into something like CoD you are definitely getting into serious otaku territory.
All this age discussions are basically useless because the core of the problem here is not the age, but the act.
Judging by their expressions, you are basically raping the girls in these games.
The people who defend this shit just don't understand. They have no clue that there's a difference between a game having nudity or even sex in a more nuanced context and a game having mechanics that let you touch/tear girls' outfit apart.
They really have no clue.
How is calling Sony "stupid" for banning underage sexualization not implicitly defending the latter? The only argument I've seen to even attempt to perform this feat of mental gymnastics is "well they might ban fondling minors now, but what if this emboldens them to ban X later?". If anyone wants to present an argument for "Sony is in the wrong here" beyond the above slippery slope (or straight out "fondling minors in games is fine"), I'm all ears.
It's kind of amazing that of all the reasons to wish for a company to go bankrupt, it was "not wanting women to be treated as sex toys" that brought you to it.
I think we're not disagreeing that much. Games are pretty mainstream here - as you say, with Nintendo games and DQ being among the most popular. This is of course not true for niche games like, well, Senran Kagura, but that goes without saying. But I know people who are really into Pokémon Go, Mario Odyssey, one of my co-workers often takes her Switch to work... and well, you have the Japanese prime minister dressing as Mario at the olympics. I'm not saying idols are not popular, but being into idols is absolutely not the norm and it's not a-ok to be one of those guys who obsesses over little girls, buys dozens of CDs (which is how they top sales rankings) in order to attend hand-shake events and the like.
Two things. (1) Otakus and creeps are different. The former can just be maniacs towards their hobbies while the latter are... creeps. It is not related to "mainstream" or not. All people on this forum are gaming otakus. (2) You assume people going to handshake events have problems but they may actually just want to express supports. I personally am a huge fan of Babymetal (not an idol group, but whatever). If I can express my support directly to them by entering ballots, I would have definitely done so. I understand that there are many creeps out there who just want to touch their idols' hands, but you can't just generalize all of them into creeps when some of them are just being otaku (ie. too emotionally invested).I think we're not disagreeing that much. Games are pretty mainstream here - as you say, with Nintendo games and DQ being among the most popular. This is of course not true for niche games like, well, Senran Kagura, but that goes without saying. But I know people who are really into Pokémon Go, Mario Odyssey, one of my co-workers often takes her Switch to work... and well, you have the Japanese prime minister dressing as Mario at the olympics. I'm not saying idols are not popular, but being into idols is absolutely not the norm and it's not a-ok to be one of those guys who obsesses over little girls, buys dozens of CDs (which is how they top sales rankings) in order to attend hand-shake events and the like.
I think we're not disagreeing that much. Games are pretty mainstream here - as you say, with Nintendo games and DQ being among the most popular. This is of course not true for niche games like, well, Senran Kagura, but that goes without saying. But I know people who are really into Pokémon Go, Mario Odyssey, one of my co-workers often takes her Switch to work... and well, you have the Japanese prime minister dressing as Mario at the olympics. I'm not saying idols are not popular, but being into idols is absolutely not the norm and it's not a-ok to be one of those guys who obsesses over little girls, buys dozens of CDs (which is how they top sales rankings) in order to attend hand-shake events and the like.
There is one coming to Switch. But I forgot its name. One of my female friends is very excited about it. Edit: This oneIt really seems discussion like these on this forum always end up the same. I don't thank anyone cares about that one example people keep bringing up why it is okay for Sony to censor stuff. The discussion is so much more than that. Even my Japanese sister in law is getting worried Sony of America is going to censor her Yaoi games.
Has anyone here discussed this with an actual woman in their lives? They've all been groped or worse after saying no. My wife has had some bad shit happen to her as a kid, and this normalizes the behavior that traumatized her. Every single woman I know has a story.
Explain this game mode to a female peer and why it's so important to keep it in the game. Let me know what they think.
There is one coming to Switch. But I forgot its name. Edit: This one
It is pretty apparent that most people don't care about the real problem, in which only the fans of these types of games are affected.
There is one coming to Switch. But I forgot its name. One of my female friend is very excited about it. Edit: This one
It is pretty apparent that most people don't care about the real problem, in which only the fans of these types of games are affected.
I'm having a hard time to find a reason why people should care about some men not being able to play a game that lets you sexually harass underage girls.Well ERA is highly AAA oriented lol. So it is not surprising to see them dont care lol.
I am still hoping for Geten no Hana port for switch hiks
Are there modes dedicated to sexual assault, merely for titillation, in any version of Catherine I'm not aware of? Or any other flirtation with criminal behavior that involves minors? Are there features dedicated to adjusting the bounciness of breasts? The type of creepy content that draws Sony's eye seems easy to point out.I'll say when I see nothings happens to Catherine and such I'll provably back off.
I think a big concern for a lot of people is that it'll effect more then these types of titles. Yet again this feels like we could avoid all this if Sony would just say what these new mandates are but I'm starting to think there doing this on a case by case basis.
Haha, I have absolutely no knowledge on otome or yaoi games. It is actually pretty conflicting. Being a straight male, I am not "into" these games, on the other hand, I always want to know what the female audience wants from these games as it kinda related to my dream job.Well ERA is highly AAA oriented lol. So it is not surprising to see them dont care lol.
I am still hoping for Geten no Hana port for switch hiks
The policy does not only affect one game but an unknown number of games in the future across genres, and ultimately affect many developers and publishers, and it is especially difficult to those small firms.I'm having a hard time to find a reason why people should care about some men not being able to play a game that lets you sexually harass underage girls.
Games are made available for a worldwide audience so maybe those reports are used to ensure the product is suitable for all regions. Not sure but English is a more commonly used tongue across the world than Japanese so standardisation makes sense.The only thing Sony really has to do is allow these reports and documentation to be done locally, instead of forcing English. That's not right or fair
Haha, I have absolutely no knowledge on otome or yaoi games. It is actually pretty conflicting. Being a straight male, I am not "into" these games, on the other hand, I always want to know what the female audience wants from these games as it kinda related to my dream job.
The policy does not only affect one game but an unknown number of games in the future across genres, and ultimately affect many developers and publishers, and it is especially difficult to those small firms.
Feel free to generalize all of these affected companies into organizations promoting child molestation. It is what many people here are doing.
As it's been pointed out, this is impacting games that aren't releasing outside of Japan.Games are made available for a worldwide audience so maybe those reports are used to ensure the product is suitable for all regions. Not sure but English is a more commonly used tongue across the world than Japanese so standardisation makes sense.
Plus they are a multinational company so they can afford it. Especially considering that Japan is a pretty big market. Oh and Sony is originally from Japan so...As it's been pointed out, this is impacting games that aren't releasing outside of Japan.
She is a little too late for that. A good portion of those games were already being censored due to graphic sex scenes that were in the original PC versions.Even my Japanese sister in law is getting worried Sony of America is going to censor her Yaoi games.
I'm having a hard time to find a reason why people should care about some men not being able to play a game that lets you sexually harass underage girls.
Haha, I have absolutely no knowledge on otome or yaoi games. It is actually pretty conflicting. Being a straight male, I am not "into" these games, on the other hand, I always want to know what the female audience wants from these games as it kinda related to my dream job.
The policy does not only affect one game but an unknown number of games in the future across genres, and ultimately affect many developers and publishers, and it is especially difficult to those small firms.
Feel free to generalize all of these affected companies into organizations promoting child molestation. It is what many people here are doing.
She is a little too late for that. A good portion of those games were already being censored due to graphic sex scenes that were in the original PC versions.
"Regarding the regulation of the depiction of content, it's simply a matter of matching global standards.
"As for the freedom of expression… we have to think about what might be unpleasant for children and shield them from those things while also thinking and assessing ways to find a balance [for that expression]."
She is a little too late for that. A good portion of those games were already being censored due to graphic sex scenes that were in the original PC versions.
The policy does not only affect one game but an unknown number of games in the future across genres, and ultimately affect many developers and publishers, and it is especially difficult to those small firms.
Feel free to generalize all of these affected companies into organizations promoting child molestation. It is what many people here are doing.
This is a thread about Shenran Kagura though.
Unfortunately she does not own a PC. She did bought a switch last week. Hopefully more of the games she like will move there.She is a little too late for that. A good portion of those games were already being censored due to graphic sex scenes that were in the original PC versions.