No, I said I don't care about it in the least. Your personal opinion of the game is not relevant to the discussion or the validity of the arguments you're making.
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Senran Kagura producer: Next game may take some more time due to regulations
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No, I said I don't care about it in the least. Your personal opinion of the game is not relevant to the discussion or the validity of the arguments you're making.
I'm deeply sorry that calling out faulty logic upsets you so much.
It is a waste of time to discuss the age of fictional characters.
Thanks for the info. As far as I know, students at my place still need to do it every year so that the government can monitor the health conditions of children. It is a shame that Japan stopped the practice just to protect children from feeling bad. On the other hand, at least Japan has health and sex education in school. My place completely lacks this thing because of stigma towards sex. Adults here rarely discussed sex topics with children, which is really backward.
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Playstation is a private platform that is allowed to make the rules for what's allowed on their platform as they see fit - heck, that's what the definition of a closed platform is. By selling it on their platform, Sony make a cut from that game, they are entitled to then deciding whether they want to be associated with a product.
Well said and I agree.
"I can't play games with nude / weirdly sexualized characters, so I hope a certain system fails." Hilarious.
Dude, you can play these games on other platforms if you want to. Get a Switch, play the games there and enjoy it.
Good on Sony, hope this sets a precedent for other platform holders to follow.
Sony are right to not want content involving sexualised teenage girls (and groping mini games WTF) on their platform. Get that pedo shit outta here.
Sony are right to not want content involving sexualised teenage girls (and groping mini games WTF) on their platform. Get that pedo shit outta here.
Really? Whenever a major idol announces graduation she appears on the news, does the circuits with all the other talent as guest commentary or during primetime variety, they always have cross promotion with major cup noodle brands, convenience stores, for instance, you can collect nogi trading cards with your ochaduke. If you were to ask a grade schooler what their favorite group/musician is, 90% (made up fact, right now it will be DA PUMP) of the time they will name an idol group. Idol groups are constantly at the top of oricon's top sales. I don't talk much with my friends about idols nor games, but when it is games, it is pretty much just major major games like smash or dq, and when it is idols (for me at least) is is pretty much always Seiko. The second you step out of the Nintendo/DQ boundary into something like CoD you are definitely getting into serious otaku territory.
As far as I know there was only one game with "light rays" but I am not sure what is going on in the story to even comment on it. I heard there was questionable stuff in the game but I am not sure how true that is.
And what exactly do you mean by the SK stuff? I don't quite understand your wording.
I see your point. I didn't mean to imply that some regions get off easy. I think they would need to open offices for games in every region because there has been some examples about Japanese developers needing to submit their games in English paperwork and that's something that shouldn't happen, especially in Japan because English isn't really that popular there.
Yes, that's what I said I will play it on the other system. I enjoy lewd -you call them weird- games and I hope Sony go broke cause changing their policies.
If you look at my original post I was talking about people with the mindset of they don't like something so no one should. You are right Playstation is a closed platform an they do have the right to decide whether or not they want a product (or want it in its current state). Just like consumers are well within their right to criticise Sony for their new stance and the lack of communication on what their new stance actually is.
That's funny as hell. Like I said, enjoy them. You know where to get them.
Good thing that Sony is now doing better than ever.
Yep.
How is calling Sony "stupid" for banning underage sexualization not implicitly defending the latter? The only argument I've seen to even attempt to perform this feat of mental gymnastics is "well they might ban fondling minors now, but what if this emboldens them to ban X later?". If anyone wants to present an argument for "Sony is in the wrong here" beyond the above slippery slope (or straight out "fondling minors in games is fine"), I'm all ears.
It's kind of amazing that of all the reasons to wish for a company to go bankrupt, it was "not wanting women to be treated as sex toys" that brought you to it.
I already mentioned how Otaku is literally people obsessing on one thing lol. Which is literally all of us on ERA is game otaku lol. Wkwkwkwkwk. But guess being called otaku is nowadays such a taboo that people afraid being linked as them.
I think we're not disagreeing that much. Games are pretty mainstream here - as you say, with Nintendo games and DQ being among the most popular. This is of course not true for niche games like, well, Senran Kagura, but that goes without saying. But I know people who are really into Pokémon Go, Mario Odyssey, one of my co-workers often takes her Switch to work... and well, you have the Japanese prime minister dressing as Mario at the olympics. I'm not saying idols are not popular, but being into idols is absolutely not the norm and it's not a-ok to be one of those guys who obsesses over little girls, buys dozens of CDs (which is how they top sales rankings) in order to attend hand-shake events and the like.
This is the biggest takeaway here. Criticism of the way sexuality is handled in these games always leads back to cultural differences or the US being prudish. It's not about that at all.
Just think about it for a second. Especially in a country that has a serious groping problem in public transportation, underage porn issues, and really young girls getting dragged into sex work. Should a game company make a game where you can pretend to grope high school girls who are 15-16 years old? And they actively don't like it? Isn't that a little tone-deaf and super objectifying?
Yes, they're in high school in the story and are underage. That's not a fake characters have no age thing, they are in high school and I promise you that their being young is part of the titillation.
Has anyone here discussed this with an actual woman in their lives? They've all been groped or worse after saying no. My wife has had some bad shit happen to her as a kid, and this normalizes the behavior that traumatized her. Every single woman I know has a story.
Explain this game mode to a female peer and why it's so important to keep it in the game. Let me know what they think.
There's already a game that (AFAIK) doesn't feature minors or any kind of molestation that has been censored so it's not just exclusive to games like SK. Noraneko Heart or something it's called.
There's also a lot to criticize in regards to how Sony is actually going about it; in terms of how they are being inconsistent across different games, how they are requiring publishers to submit all of their documentation in english, the fact that it's been sprung upon developers and is affecting games that are in later stages of development, directly causing financial damage to third parties.
There's even an argument that Sony should leave it to the independent ratings boards to decide what is appropriate. Omega Labyrinth Z was denied classification by rating boards which was absolutely the correct course of action.
Being into Idol group is not that different to people being into actors lol. Like there is literally girls obsessing toward K pop actors in Korea lol. It is not such an alien thing.
Two things. (1) Otakus and creeps are different. The former can just be maniacs towards their hobbies while the latter are... creeps. It is not related to "mainstream" or not. All people on this forum are gaming otakus. (2) You assume people going to handshake events have problems but they may actually just want to express supports. I personally am a huge fan of Babymetal (not an idol group, but whatever). If I can express my support directly to them by entering ballots, I would have definitely done so. I understand that there are many creeps out there who just want to touch their idols' hands, but you can't just generalize all of them into creeps when some of them are just being otaku (ie. too emotionally invested).
Of course, there are degrees. The person who plays Go on commute, or has a Switch and plays a Mario game is pretty normal, just like a person who tunes into Music Station to watch an idol group perform, or adds their album to Line Music/AWA, or will check out a new drama because of a singer taking a lead role in it. The people who buy a bunch of copies of a CD to vote for a particular favorite are like people who buy gaming chairs and PS4 Pros and collector packages and more games than there are months in a year, etc - way too absorbed into their hobby.
It really seems discussion like these on this forum always end up the same. I don't thank anyone cares about that one example people keep bringing up why it is okay for Sony to censor stuff. The discussion is so much more than that. Even my Japanese sister in law is getting worried Sony of America is going to censor her Yaoi games.
There is one coming to Switch. But I forgot its name. One of my female friends is very excited about it. Edit: This one
It is pretty apparent that most people don't care about the real problem, in which only the fans of these types of games are affected.
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Indeed: It has the usual suspects jumping to the defense of sexual harassment minigames with the usual fallacies. All expected.
I am still not sure why certain men are in such a desperate need of games that depict sexual molestation of unwilling women by the player, though.
(And yes, them coming from Japan isn't actually something that improves anything, considering the massive sexual harassment problem Japan has, to the point there are (or were?) women-only trains because of all the train molesters)
Thank you for this. Men fortunately don't experience some of these problems we go through (or not nearly as often), so a lack of empathy to what women say is sadly somewhat understandable.
Well ERA is highly AAA oriented lol. So it is not surprising to see them dont care lol.
I am still hoping for Geten no Hana port for switch hiks
I'm having a hard time to find a reason why people should care about some men not being able to play a game that lets you sexually harass underage girls.
Are there modes dedicated to sexual assault, merely for titillation, in any version of Catherine I'm not aware of? Or any other flirtation with criminal behavior that involves minors? Are there features dedicated to adjusting the bounciness of breasts? The type of creepy content that draws Sony's eye seems easy to point out.
Considering the game wanted to present mature takes (that haven't aged well) on a variety of subjects, Hashino's own comments on views diversifying since release and implying a better attempt can be made, and then the growing LGBTQ related fan backlash to the Persona games, if anything is likely to change with the game it would be the work of Atlus not Sony.
OH NO! They might be forced to focus on substantive elements in their games, like the real meat of the gameplay, instead of pervy ass shit. Such tragedy.
Haha, I have absolutely no knowledge on otome or yaoi games. It is actually pretty conflicting. Being a straight male, I am not "into" these games, on the other hand, I always want to know what the female audience wants from these games as it kinda related to my dream job.
The policy does not only affect one game but an unknown number of games in the future across genres, and ultimately affect many developers and publishers, and it is especially difficult to those small firms.
Feel free to generalize all of these affected companies into organizations promoting child molestation. It is what many people here are doing.
Games are made available for a worldwide audience so maybe those reports are used to ensure the product is suitable for all regions. Not sure but English is a more commonly used tongue across the world than Japanese so standardisation makes sense.
The vast majority of examples are just that. Some high school setting, genuine underage characters, or characters the game weakly tries to suggest are older but look 12 and mini-games which often amount to some sort of "resistance" on the part of the character not to have you grope them/see them undressed. What is consent m8?
Corny Mass Effect sex scenes, or some of the regular topless scenes in 18/M rated games aren't going anywhere. Conan Exiles even has a dick slider uncensored in Europe. America lost its shit over that, and that IS a case of American Puritanism worth laughing at. I think the US version of Conan is still censored.
For the most part games getting hit here contain some sort of rape/molestation/resistance in them, or it's young characters or characters that the game goes *wink wink* not young! Promise!
Sony might not be getting it perfect as of yet and if something isn't fitting into the categories above I will say let PEGI/ESRB handle it. For the most part it is utter trash getting hit.
This is about what they think makes them money. They'll hit the nontraditional games even harder on censorship than the traditional ones if they came to the PS4. This has been historically true as well with other companies in the past, I don't see why it would be different now.
I'm not some anti-censorship zealot, but the way Sony is doing this seems particularly like they think they can do whatever they want. They'll ease up once other platforms do better.
At this point I think I'm done with consoles outright now- I just don't trust any of the console manufacturers anymore. They've all shown a willingness to try and force unpopular things when they can.
As it's been pointed out, this is impacting games that aren't releasing outside of Japan.
I'm all for these new regulations, but it's odd that Sony is doing nothing about the games that probably led them to make the change in the first place.
A number of titles, including two that I don't think I can even name, are still being sold on PSN.
A number of titles, including two that I don't think I can even name, are still being sold on PSN.
Plus they are a multinational company so they can afford it. Especially considering that Japan is a pretty big market. Oh and Sony is originally from Japan so...
Edit - Also it shouldn't just be limited to Japan and Japanese. It would be amazing if they had offices all across the globe with different languages that can help them release their game on their platform. A diverse library of game is created by having diversity on the platform and that can't happen if Sony is just going to be like, "speak English mate".
She is a little too late for that. A good portion of those games were already being censored due to graphic sex scenes that were in the original PC versions.
??? I am talking about otome game though?
Haha i am also straight male lol. But some of my favorite anime is straight otome anime like Fushugi Yuugi lol so i am okay with otome game.
Geten no Hana by Koei is soo good. U should check it. It also have nobunaga lol.
Yeah but thats just the usual changes made so a game doesn't get a AO rating. Sony is censoring things things that just get a M rating or Cero C/D in Japan
??? I dont think he is talking about Yaoi game but more of otome game lol as graphic yaoi hentai game is nowhere in any console platform.
This is a thread about Shenran Kagura though.
Unfortunately she does not own a PC. She did bought a switch last week. Hopefully more of the games she like will move there.
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