Shadow of the Colossus Remake PGW Trailer

Bashful Trey · Nov 2, 2017

Day 1.

I'd fiddled with the original on PS3 but fell off because it felt touchy on the controls. That's my fault for waiting so long to jump in.

But a remake? Sounds like it'll iron out most problems I had getting into it! Very excited. It feels like FROM played this game 1,000 times before making a Souls game. So somber.

Omnistalgic · Nov 2, 2017

mattp said:
dammit marty. how is having to hold a button to grip a complaint?
my biggest issue with the last guardian was how you didnt have to hold a button to grip, and it just kinda did it for you. that shit was SO fucking frustrating

having to manually hang on is infinitely better

Yeah, really didn't like that you just held on automatically in TLG, felt less interactive. I think with the remake, my new order is.

Sotc
Ico
TLG

thedrunkenchild · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Nice.

Mono looks pretty similar. Dunno bout Wander.

there's something weird about wander in the remake, I think it's a combination of things: they seem to have reworked most of his face and body proportions and made them more masculine, he now have a shorter hairstyle too, they also significantly shrunk down his poncho in the remake, in the og it covered the shoulders and the dangly things around his waist completely.

All of these things make him look a little bit older with a slightly bulkier westernized look. I don't know how I feel about that to be honest. I always liked how weak and small his body looked coupled with his androgynous face, it has helped make it obvious that wander is no seasoned warrior and it made the contrast with the colossi all the more impressive as a result.

I must say that the rest of the game still looks impressive as fuck though.

Akainu · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Nice.

Mono looks pretty similar. Dunno bout Wander.

Ruins look too clean.

Dr. Doom said:
Given how this remake spans two generations, the leap doesn't appear all that impressive. Also, the character design looks superior in the original game.

I agree.

Konosuke · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Nice.

Mono looks pretty similar. Dunno bout Wander.

Wow, everything except the bloom looks top notch. I don't get the complaints about character desgn

ebi · Nov 2, 2017

I've had the chance to play this at PGW today. It looks incredible, I'm loving the details like the grass, foliage, water in that wood area from the trailer. Don't have any complaints with the way it controls either. Performance was good but it was demo'd on a PS4 pro so I can't talk about regular PS4.

Some visual stuff has been changed, obviously, but it still looks really cohesive. Still weird that we're getting this game but it's one of my favorite games ever so I'm really excited to play the full version.

Dreamboum · Nov 2, 2017

thedrunkenchild said:
All of these things make him look a little bit older with a slightly bulkier westernized look.

nah, he doesn't seem westernized at all, he just looks more like a young adult than a teenager

NO!R · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Nice.

Mono looks pretty similar. Dunno bout Wander.

Okay I'm not liking the look of this.

There's a lot more detail and care put into the original stone textures, with the moss growing between and on the bricks, even if they're much lower resolution.

The new one looks way too clean in comparison. I'm actually starting to miss that overall gloom of original.

Fuck.

Psycho_Mantis · Nov 2, 2017

Also about content, Ueda says he intended the game to have 16 and so this will have 16, but also admits to sending a proposal of changes for the remake. What would he change apart from the number of colossi? I can only think of the ending but I always thought a different ending would only happen with a different number of colossi.

Septimus · Nov 2, 2017

Side note about the new forum's image styling, why does maximizing an image go over TOP of everything else? Including the post itself or other pictures so you can only see one at a time. Hope it's fixed soon.

Dreamboum · Nov 2, 2017

Watching the video, all the publications saying that it is the same control scheme as the original game didn't do any of their homework to see that it is utterly not the case. R1 to brandish the sword to the light, accelerating with Triangle, Jumping with X, gripping with R2. It's far more in line with modern control.

Considering they didn't even consider the difference in button layout makes me scared we'll have another TLG situation on our hands

EDIT : circle to roll instead of R1+Triangle, it's sooo different

gfxtwin · Nov 2, 2017

Pretty concerned about the emotional impact of this version.

Ueda is one of the few art directors in the industry I know of who's characters in-game seem like they are dynamically thinking and reacting to their environment in subtle ways. I'm not yet sold that we're getting this with the remake:

Mono looks ok to me, but not feeling Wander's new face, design and animation at all and I still maintain that more effort can go into bringing the character and world to life in the PS4 version similar to how they do it in the OG.

And I know the main takeaway a lot of peeps will have when reading this post is "bitter fanboy, etc", but whatever. Put on your glasses, buddy.

gfxtwin · Nov 2, 2017

Psycho_Mantis said:
Also about content, Ueda says he intended the game to have 16 and so this will have 16, but also admits to sending a proposal of changes for the remake. What would he change apart from the number of colossi? I can only think of the ending but I always thought a different ending would only happen with a different number of colossi.

Seemed clear the list was was more about tweaks he wanted for the remake to be more true to what he was going for when he directed it, not regarding any extra or changed content. We'll probably never know what tweaks he noted since he said publicizing it is a no go because it might reflect poorly on bluepoint if it was revealed there were creative differences between them.

doof_warrior · Nov 2, 2017

gfxtwin said:
Pretty concerned about the emotional impact of this version.

Ueda is one of the few art directors in the industry I know of who's characters in-game seem like they are dynamically thinking and reacting to their environment in subtle ways. I'm not yet sold that we're getting this with the remake:

Mono looks ok to me, but not feeling Wander's new face, design and animation at all. Again, given how rare you see this in games I can't be too mad, clearly GenDesign have some rare talent in that regard, but I still maintain that more effort can go into bringing the character and world to life in the PS4 version similar to how they do it in the OG.

And I know the main takeaway a lot of peeps will have when reading this post is "bitter fanboy, etc", but whatever. Put on your glasses, buddy.

thats what im saying
wander looks straight up bad
even ignoring the fact that he also looks different from the original game

gfxtwin · Nov 2, 2017

mattp said:
thats what im saying
wander looks straight up bad
even ignoring the fact that he also looks different from the original game

Yep. Not nearly as expressive.

doof_warrior · Nov 2, 2017

his face looks like it came from a ps1 tekken cover

Error · Nov 2, 2017

New member here, happy to find you all guys.

Here is a gameplay video from the game, from Paris Games Week:

jett · Nov 2, 2017

I think Wander's face is unfinished, unless eagles spook him now.

I think they have definitely toned down the anime/bishounen sensibilities of the original character design.

ScOULaris · Nov 2, 2017

mattp said:
his face looks like it came from a ps1 tekken cover

Hahaha. You're not wrong.

gfxtwin · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
I think Wander's face is unfinished, unless eagles spook him now.

I think they have definitely toned down the anime/bishounen sensibilities of the original character design.

That, and every shot of his face seems to indicate he has a plasticy, less lively expression. So weird. I'm worried I'm gonna be cringing at the cutscenes, but maybe his face is unfinished. But the game's coming out in three months so not sure.

Tyaren · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:

The detail that bothers me most is that the hair tech is still stuck in the PS2 area to be honest. In all footage that I've seen so far Wander's hair seems to be rigidly stuck in place, even while riding through a sandstorm.

I noticed too that most of the temple looks really clean and new, apart from a few grass tufts growing here and there. Which is strange, because in other parts of the world I noticed really well done crumble and decay of structures.

doof_warrior · Nov 2, 2017

Tyaren said:
The detail that bothers me most is that the hair tech is still stuck in the PS2 area to be honest. In all footage that I've seen so far Wander's hair seems to be rigidly stuck in place, even while riding through a sandstorm.

I noticed too that most of the temple looks really clean and new, apart from a few grass tufts growing here and there. Which is strange, because in other parts of the world I noticed really well done crumble and decay of structures.

there's probably certain things they can only do so much with, since its essentially the original game underneath. i also notice the same with how the ground cracks and breaks when the colossi stomp their feet. the effect is identical to ps2 just with higher quality textures. but its still just polygons appearing out of nowhere and disappearing. no actual deformation of the ground

jett · Nov 2, 2017

Jumping animations seem to be virtually identical.

Maybe they are building this on top of the original, buried somewhere underneath the new coat of paint.

doof_warrior · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Maybe they are building this on top of the original, buried somewhere underneath the new coat of paint.

theyve said thats exactly what it is, no?

jett · Nov 2, 2017

mattp said:
theyve said thats exactly what it is, no?

They have? There has been no interview whatsoever with anyone involved in the development of this game.

doof_warrior · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
They have? There has been no interview whatsoever with anyone involved in the development of this game.

hrm, maybe youre right. i guess ive just been assuming based on the trailers and this interview

Famitsu: The next question is about Shadow of the Colossus. Is this a remaster version, or is it a remake version?

Shuhei Yoshida: "It is a remake. The game content is the same as the original version, but all the assets are being remade. I figured we could use such tech to make if we're going to make Shadow of the Colossus in the PS4 era. Bluepoint is the development company behind the PS3 remaster versions of ICO and Shadow of the Colossus. So we know them rather well."

Famitsu: So the game will have the same content it had in its PS2 version.

Yoshida: "It's the same, but player preferences for controls and such change over time, so we're working on implementing a more modernized way to play. And of course you can play with a feel of the original version, but what we're doing is showing how great the original work is, using today's technology. Ueda-san (ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, and the Last Guardian lead designer Fumito Ueda) wasn't that involved much this time."

ScOULaris · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
They have? There has been no interview whatsoever with anyone involved in the development of this game.

Nobody from Sony or Bluepoint has confirmed this, but this has been clear to me from everything that they've shown.

This is a remake in the same way that the Master Chief Collection was. Same underlying engine as before (probably from the PS3 port) with all new assets substituted in. I'm sure they're making some small adjustments along the way as well. I've noticed less clipping when grabbing onto ledges and climbing colossi, for example.

But in every piece of footage that we've seen you'll notice that every animation, every camera movement, the timing of every animation and audio cue in cutscenes, etc. are 100% identical to the original. I'm pretty much positive that this "remake" is the PS3 remaster underneath.

Psycho_Mantis · Nov 2, 2017

We know SCEJ is helping. Also that Wander comparison makes no sense when the images are low res and far away :/

jett · Nov 2, 2017

mattp said:
hrm, maybe youre right. i guess ive just been assuming based on the trailers and this interview

Yeah I had read that before. I'd really like to read some input from the people working on it. It's weird how there's nobody representing this game.

ScOULaris said:
Nobody from Sony or Bluepoint has confirmed this, but this has been clear to me from everything that they've shown.

This is a remake in the same way that the Master Chief Collection was. Same underlying engine as before (probably from the PS3 port) with all new assets substituted in. I'm sure they're making some small adjustments along the way as well. I've noticed less clipping when grabbing onto ledges and climbing colossi, for example.

But in every piece of footage that we've seen you'll notice that every animation, every camera movement, the timing of every animation and audio cue in cutscenes, etc. are 100% identical to the original. I'm pretty much positive that this "remake" is the PS3 remaster underneath.

Some animations are different, the running one really stuck out to me.

You can also notice the rather obvious change to more realistic proportions for Wander.

ScOULaris · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Some animations are different, the running one really stuck out to me.

You can also notice the rather obvious change to more realistic proportions for Wander.

Oh, sure. There have been some slight tweaks to in-game animations and models have been reworked, but it's seems very clear to me that the base on which they're working here is the PS3 engine from the HD remaster.

So I guess you could say that they go a step further than what was done in the Master Chief Collection, but it's still using a ported version of the original game as its underlying base. I have little doubt of that. There's no way that they built this game from the ground-up with some other engine. Cutscene framing and timing is 100% identical as well, only with all textures, models, and effects replaced with newer ones.

NO!R · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Jumping animations seem to be virtually identical.

Maybe they are building this on top of the original, buried somewhere underneath the new coat of paint.

See, it's weird. Some areas look vastly improved by the increase in poly count and texture resolution.

But the pictures you posted above showed a jarring sterility to the texture on the shrine's altar, whereas the original has this kind of implied sentience, or the presence of a remnant elemental entity embedded in the rocks and stone work. Almost like the whole place is seeping with a strange menacing magic, as if it were alive...

The original shrine atmosphere really gave you the haunting impression you were trespassing on the realm of an ancient natural deity thanks to those touches in the textures.

I really hope that's not entirely lost.

dobahking91 · Nov 2, 2017

so good :O

thedrunkenchild · Nov 2, 2017

jett said:
Some animations are different, the running one really stuck out to me.

You can also notice the rather obvious change to more realistic proportions for Wander.

Other examples of changed animations:

also completely different combat stance:

It seems clear to me that they are going for a more "composed" Wander, who shows more confidence and precision in his movements(sword resting low, feeling almost too heavy for him in the og which feels like the pose of an amateur, but in the remake the sword is upright and ready while wander assume an almost "professional" fencing stance).

As I said before I prefer a more amateur, vulnerable looking Wander, but bluepoint's version, even if it's going in a different direction, still looks high quality so far.

Tyaren · Nov 2, 2017

thedrunkenchild said:
Other examples of changed animations:

Don't use imgur.com to host images/gifs. They don't show up in this forum.

ScOULaris · Nov 2, 2017

Tyaren said:
Don't use imgur.com to host images/gifs. They don't show up in this forum.

They do. Are you using Safari by any chance?

Chopin the Third · Nov 2, 2017

That direct feed gameplay looks so good. I gotta decide on whether I want to play this or TLG first.

Tyaren · Nov 2, 2017

ScOULaris said:
They do. Are you using Safari by any chance?

Really, they do show up when I look at them in Firefox. O:
Mods said though they wouldn't work in general right now.
Nope, I'm using Edge usually.

Equanimity · Nov 2, 2017

dobahking91 said:
so good :O

Beautiful.

FantasticMrFoxdie · Nov 2, 2017

Good lord the new footage :0
im so ready for this

vereor · Nov 2, 2017

Chopin the Third said:
That direct feed gameplay looks so good. I gotta decide on whether I want to play this or TLG first.

Play Shadow first, The Last Guardian is way more "experimental" and difficult to approach if you are not familiare with Team Ico's games.

Chopin the Third · Nov 2, 2017

Y'all, how does horse riding in this game (and the original) still look better and more natural than in other games with horses?

Lazloisdavrock · Nov 2, 2017

Cool but I would have been just as happy with a re release of the PS3 HD version @ 1080p

Opus Angelorum · Nov 2, 2017

dobahking91 said:
so good :O

Never played the original, I think this looks fantastic. Beautiful lighting.

Dreamboum · Nov 2, 2017

Chopin the Third said:
Y'all, how does horse riding in this game (and the original) still look better and more natural than in other games with horses?

SOTC's reputation makes it untouchable in this area. the way video games works, most players would *hate* not having direct feedback on the horse, which makes it so good here. My take anyway

gfxtwin · Nov 2, 2017

Lazloisdavrock said:
Cool but I would have been just as happy with a re release of the PS3 HD version @ 1080p

Hmmmmm....now that there's a "better" version of the game, what is the likelihood of the original version ever seeing the light of day on current or next gen PSN?

Yoshichan · Nov 2, 2017

Okay, so summary!

Wander looks worse in the remake
Temples look worse in the remake

Colossi look better in the remake
Natural environment (forest) look better in the remake

Animations are subjective

???

chandoog · Nov 2, 2017

dobahking91 said:
so good :O

Animal Liberation Ⓥ · Nov 2, 2017

dobahking91 said:
so good :O

Whoa! Thanks for the post. I want this yesterday!

thedrunkenchild · Nov 2, 2017

gfxtwin said:
Hmmmmm....now that there's a "better" version of the game, what is the likelihood of the original version ever seeing the light of day on current or next gen PSN?

There's always emulation, ps3 emulation is progressing really fast lately, if progress doesn't suddenly slow down I could see gamers being able to play a stable version of the ps3 hd remaster in 4k and even possibly 60fps on pc in a couple of years.

Chopin the Third · Nov 2, 2017

Dreamboum said:
SOTC's reputation makes it untouchable in this area. the way video games works, most players would *hate* not having direct feedback on the horse, which makes it so good here. My take anyway

That's why I think it's the best. I love how alive and independent Agro feels.

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