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NeoRaider

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https://steamcommunity.com/app/750920/discussions/0/3362406825550848019/

Half year after the release is still better than never, right?
 

gabdeg

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Oct 26, 2017
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Oh man I was just checking the depots on SteamDB earlier and saw some activity and was like 👂
Can't wait to test it
 

abracadaver

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Nov 30, 2017
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Took a few screenshots in the benchmark:

Ultra shadows vs Ultra raytracing shadows (no DLSS)

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Framerate reveals which is which
 

Paul

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Oct 27, 2017
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I suppose this game has static time of day, so raytraced GI was not necessary?
 

low-G

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Oct 25, 2017
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//DEVIL//

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Aug 13, 2018
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This ray tracing technology is nothing but a total fail. No matter where you look at it .

The difference is almost not visible . Yet the frame drop makes it like you playing a PS3 level game compared to a PS4 ...but on PC .

Who the hell want his fps to drop that much just to see a reflection or a stupid shadow on a window ? Give me a break
 

Braag

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Nov 7, 2017
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I forgot this game was supposed to have ray tracing, and it's only for shadows... well that took a while.
 

Eggiem

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Oct 27, 2017
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Cool but still not worth the performance cost or the high price of a RTX graphics card IMO.
 

Butterworth

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Feb 5, 2019
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Hmmmm.

I'll have to give it a go myself. Bar the second pairing, the rest of the screens aren't doing anything for me.
 

SleepSmasher

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Oct 27, 2017
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This ray tracing technology is nothing but a total fail. No matter where you look at it .

The difference is almost not visible . Yet the frame drop makes it like you playing a PS3 level game compared to a PS4 ...but on PC .

Who the hell want his fps to drop that much just to see a reflection or a stupid shadow on a window ? Give me a break
"Ray Tracing is not but a total fail" - this is "Square shot themselves in the foot" levels of stupidity. Ray tracing has been a thing in offline rendering for ages and games will follow suit sooner or later on a massive scale. Also, SOTTR isn't really a benchmark for RTX and never was. Also, take some time to actually watch a video of the tech in motion.
 

DonMigs85

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's kinda like the time DX11 was new and turning it on sapped quite a bit of performance in games like Batman Arkham City.
 

bbq of doom

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Oct 25, 2017
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This ray tracing technology is nothing but a total fail. No matter where you look at it .

The difference is almost not visible . Yet the frame drop makes it like you playing a PS3 level game compared to a PS4 ...but on PC .

Who the hell want his fps to drop that much just to see a reflection or a stupid shadow on a window ? Give me a break

I couldn't imagine saying this if I spent any substantive amount of time in a game with DXR on and off. It's astonishing in BFV and Metro Exodus looks tremendous (from outside looking in).
 

Ste

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Jun 8, 2018
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My 9700k and a 2080ti both over clocked with everything on the highest settings but without dlss in game benchmark.

At 4k I get 25 fps average.

At 1440p I get 45 fps average.

At 1080p I get 61 fps average.

At 4k dlss I get 49 fps average.

At 1440p dlss I get 71 fps.

If I reduce a setting or two I can play it at 50hz therefore 50 fps at 4k dlss.

I was unable to get 60fps without ray tracing so played on 50 hz vsync anyway.

I'm happy for now but will see how much the dlss affects the visuals.
 
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Smash-It Stan

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Oct 25, 2017
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The first example with the kids with glowsticks is a big difference, OK. But the 2nd one with the people dancing near the lights, they turn on RTX and...most of the shadows disappear. Don't really care what's realistic or not, especially at this performance cost.
 

ThreepQuest64

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Oct 29, 2017
5,735
Germany
Framerate reveals which is which
lol, exactly. Bummer.

Also, I'm done with this game. Finished it, had an okay-experience, enjoyed some cool locations, wondered about the dreadful combat, was mesmerized by the graphics and visuals. But in the end nothing extraordinary. Ray tracing doesn't seem to change that and doesn't elevate the graphics on a next level (which the fps would suggest...)
 

low-G

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Oct 25, 2017
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My 9700k and a 2080ti both over clocked with everything on the highest settings but without dlss at 4k I get 25 fps average using the in game benchmark.

At 1440p I get 45 fps average.

At 1080p I get 61 fps average.

That doesn't seem right at all, look at my screenshots above... oh, benchmark. I haven't run that. Is it representative of ingame performance?
 

KingSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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This ray tracing technology is nothing but a total fail. No matter where you look at it .

The difference is almost not visible . Yet the frame drop makes it like you playing a PS3 level game compared to a PS4 ...but on PC .

Who the hell want his fps to drop that much just to see a reflection or a stupid shadow on a window ? Give me a break

And we're back to incredibly dumb hot takes about RTX.
 

Poison Jam

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Nov 6, 2017
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Not as impressive as reflections or illumination, that's for sure. But still neat. I'm glad they finally released it.
 

gabdeg

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Oct 26, 2017
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Can you turn it on and off in game? Any one got comparison pics with some actual prominent shadows being cast?
 

Serious Sam

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Oct 27, 2017
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Dont be obtuse - you can tell.

Also, it is nice to take screenshots of shadows, not areas completely in shadow.
Don't know what you are talking about, all screenshots posted in this thread so far have shadows in them, difference is minimal while performance hit is up to 2x. RTX in SotTR was always the least impressive implementation of the tech, IMO.
 

dgrdsv

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some people should really see someone who can check their eyesight at this point.
 

Serious Sam

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Oct 27, 2017
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I bet all those people (same in every RTX thread) will not see difference even in new Q2 raytracing patch lol.
Way to dumb down and simplify discussion and issues that people have with RTX. This is not what most people are saying. Argument is that difference isn't big enough to warrant such massive hit to performance and increase in hardware cost.

You know it's not a coincidence that RTX turned into a meme, because most of the time there really isn't a massive perceivable difference in image quality.

All BFV RTX promo footage revolved around a couple of puddle filled maps. And all TR RTX promo revolves around this one dance floor location.
 

BadAss2961

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's easier to see the difference in motion with moving light sources and such:
I'm sorry but this is video is hilarious.

Am I crazy? Or at the switch 43 seconds in, do the NPC's up close suddenly cast shadows while the ones in the far background already had them but disappear with RTX turned on? Wtf?

Then at 2:33, literally nothing happens. Commentary acts mindblown and has to force the audience to react. lol. The beauty is you turn it on indeed.

I'm sure it has to look better in person or direct feed, but damn... No way these examples are worth the performance hit.
 

Harlequin

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm sorry but this is video is hilarious.

Am I crazy? Or at the switch 43 seconds in, do the NPC's up close suddenly cast shadows while the ones in the far background already had them but disappear with RTX turned on? Wtf?

Then at 2:33, literally nothing happens. Commentary acts mindblown and has to force the audience to react. lol. The beauty is you turn it on indeed.

I'm sure it has to look better in person or direct feed, but damn... No way these examples are worth the performance hit.
I'm not seeing any disappearing shadows at the 43 second mark. The shadows get softer but that's actually more realistic.
 

abracadaver

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Nov 30, 2017
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Took a few more during gameplay, spot the difference:

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Framerate basically halves when turning on RTX shadows. In the last picture it even went from 100fps down to 20fps