Well, I loved DQ11, FETH, Persona but I hated the silent protagonist in those games as well (although less so in the case of Persona since it didn't bother me as much there. It did bother me in DQ11 and FETH) but these games were solo affairs and a lot of effort was put into making the SP experience of a high quality.Can't really agree with any of that. ShB barely had any padding, busywork, or fetch quest in the main story. And when it had anything even resembling that, it was quick and payed off in spades. The main character still has a lot of personality despite having no VA. I hope you don't play a lot of recent major JRPGs like DQ11, FE:TH, Persona, etc because those protagonist have even less lol
FF15s button mashy and unresponsive gameplay isn't better than anythingIm normally a proponent of writing>gameplay
but mmo gameplay is trash, unsatisfying, and unimpactful
so even if the narrative around it is good, mmo gameplay will never be better than even FF15
It's why I still really cant stand FF12
For everyone with this issue in next few patchs they working on changing the ARR quest structure to make it less assI mean that's nice and all but yeah, I just can't be bothered with everything you need to do when I don't even enjoy the moment-to-moment gameplay much at all? I really tried with A Realm Reborn a few months ago but fell off after 20 hours or so. It's a bummer because I've been told Heavensward has a fantastic story too but I just don't enjoy the act of playing the game enough. I totally believe that there's some fantastic FF content here, I just don't think the game itself is for me.
I totally agree. For people who can't stand mmo gameplay, SB would not impress no matter how good its story is. I overcame this resistance in me and finished all the expansions to see what the hoopla was about. Its a good story, but it never overcame the unsatisfying combat and the general dislike of mmo conventions.Im normally a proponent of writing>gameplay
but mmo gameplay is trash, unsatisfying, and unimpactful
so even if the narrative around it is good, mmo gameplay will never be better than even FF15
It's why I still really cant stand FF12
Because these threads sound like they're trying to convert us to their faith. It sounds nice and all, but the barrier to entry is just too much and "you just have to suffer through the base game" isn't the most appealing pitch.
would love to understand why but I can't help but feel these kind of titles are exaggerated. I'm sure it's fantastic. I tried playing the game, got to level 30, but holy shit it was just a slog. There's a lot I like about the game but if it's going to take me 200 hours to even get to the decent parts let alone good I just can't invest that kind of time. I'll certainly try again, but I donno. Can you guys share more about what makes it so good? obviously the music is cool but any specifics about the rest that aren't the story? like is it the world design, dungeons, enemy fighting tactics? does the combat get any more interesting? the class system? etc.
basically just trying to understand how you'd justify it as better than the others - it's not even a remotely similar game so it just seems weird to put it on that kind of pedestal. halp 2 understand
These superlatives don't cut it for me. If someone puts the effort to do a critical analysis video like super bunny hop or Joseph andersson or mandalore gaming then I'll take this seriously.
People get too bent out of shape about spoilers to talk about anything specific these days. Generic praise is less likely to offend.Can someone go into more detail about what it is they love about XIV/SB? I see tons of praise but it's always pretty generic praise.
FF15s button mashy and unresponsive gameplay isn't better than anything
LOL :)final fantasy 1 has more customization in combat than 14 does. i am not cycling the same rotation for 30 hours so I can watch npcs use all the in game emotes to conversation in 90% of the cut scenes
Look at any individual response here and they are very bare bones in explaining themselves. It's almost worthless especially with the comparisons to past games made.
i am not cycling the same rotation for 30 hours so I can watch npcs use all the in game emotes to conversation in 90% of the cut scenes
The FFXIV Protagonist has more personality than most silent protags in recent JRPGs. They seem like a fully fledged character compared to characters like Byleth or DQ11 Hero.
So much of it is about the personal connection you've made with your own character, your own Warrior of Light, that it would never all come across in a Let's Play. There is absolutely something in 250-300+ hours of personal investment that can't be replicated without going on the journey yourself.Okay, how the heck can a XIV expansion be THAT good?
I wouldn't mind playing it but I am in no way starting with a fresh MMO at this point. Maybe I'll just watch a let's play or something. Does anyone have any good ones to watch?
Well, that depends. The OP is kinda downplaying it, this is a huge time investment and not something you can "just play". Sometimes it sounds like a rite of passage (Just get your thetans calibrated for a few dozen hours and you'll unlock endless bliss!).Isn't that an argument against this being cultish behaviour then? No one is trying to ignore or downplay how mediocre the base game experience is.
So much of it is about the personal connection you've made with your own character, your own Warrior of Light, that it would never all come across in a Let's Play. There is absolutely something in 250-300+ hours of personal investment that can't be replicated without going on the journey yourself.
But like I keep saying, I absolutely understand why someone would say "fuuuuuuuck that" to over 200 hours of MMO gameplay.
Well that's just flat out wrong. Every class is viable at endgameClass balance is worse than ever.
Easily the worst aspect of SHB that negates whatever merit the story has.
Don't just take it from me either, last time I checked it was the consensus in game.
Class balance is worse than ever.
Easily the worst aspect of SHB that negates whatever merit the story has.
Don't just take it from me either, last time I checked it was the consensus in game.
Playing it just to get to Shadowbringers is also the wrong mindset, I think. That would never be worth it. There is much to enjoy in all parts of the game.I'm not against MMO's. I have like 2,000 hours playing ESO for one character, I just ain't starting fresh in a new MMO and playing for hundreds of hours to experience an expansion story. It's no fun to rush, anyway.
I think OP is sleeping alright lmao